Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 31/03/2008 23:49:14
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quote:

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Originally posted by Erik Carsten

We have not been able to locate an obituary or find where Kari is buried yet.

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Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 01/04/2008 00:08:07
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yes, we know when Kari died. It was on 11-27-1874. But the douglas county Historical Society has been unable to locate an obituary or her gravesite. Her husband, Ole Helgeson Berg and their son Martin, who died young at age 21 are buried at St. Petri Cemetary but no sign of Kari there.

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 01/04/2008 00:12:46
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Emigration from Hemsedal April 7th, 1866, destination America:

21. Ole Helgesen Berg  34
22. Kari Mikkelsdatter 32
23. Birgit Olsdatter   10  Born 19 Jan 1856 (illegitimate child)
24. Ambjør Olsdatter    5  Born 21 Aug 1861
25. Helge Olsen         2  Born 31 Aug 1864

Source: Buskerud county, Hemsedal in Gol, Parish register copy nr. II 4 (1859-1874), Emigration records 1866-1870, page 99.

Jan Peter

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 01/04/2008 00:48:17
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...thank you Jan Peter. They had two more children here in the United States. Caroline born in 1868 and Martin born in 1872. He dies at age 21 in 1893 and is buried at St. Petri Cemetery next to his father, Ole H. Berg. But where is Kari resting? I will continue to try to solve that mystery.


in 1900 U.S. Census I see her daughter Caroline and her husband Troud Brandvold and their two boys Leivert (7) and Clarence (1) living in White Rock, South Dakota. That is where her brother, Helge settled. However, after 1900 I see no more record of Caroline and Troud Brandvold. In an obituary of a niece of hers it list her living in Canada in 1948.

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 01/04/2008 20:21:55
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I have had a look into the Hemsedal Bygdebok now, and Mikkel Olsen Fauske (1797-1872) & Birgit Halvorsdatter (1801-1868) are listed on page 354, as the owner of Fauske Nordre in Hemsedal. Their children:
Margit b. 1830. Son: Tor Aslakson b 1856 -> Emigrated to America
Kari b. 1834. married 1856 to Ola Helgeson Berg -> Emigrated to America
Birgit b.1837, d.1844 (7yr)
Liv b.1840, married to Ola Trondson Brandvøl -> Emigrated to America
Ola b. 1843-1923
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Dear Board Members:
I'm starting to close up my research on this part of my family. some key questions remain which I am working to resolve.

I need your help in finding out what happended to Liv and Ola Trondson Brandvol. In all the documents and information that I have on the family I have seen no mention of these people. Do you see when they emigrated to the United States?

Any information on these people would be most helpful and appreciated.

thank you.

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 01/04/2008 20:32:41
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I'm not sure what happened to Liv and Ola Trondson Brandvold.

But do you know where Ole Helgesen Berg & Kari Mikkelsdatter's son-in-law came from?

As stated above; Ole & Kari's daughter Caroline married Trond O. Brandvold, which could be Trond Olsen Brandvold, born ab 1870.

Could Trond Olsen Brandvold be a son of Ola Trondson Brandvold and wife Liv Mikkelsdatter?

Ie. could Caroline and husband Trond be cousins??

Jan Peter

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 01/04/2008 20:41:15
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they would be first cousins. Not a good idea.

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 01/04/2008 20:43:57
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Could this be them in census-1880 for Otisco, Waseca, Minnesota?

Not 100% convinced though...

Jan Peter

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 01/04/2008 20:56:18
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O.K. My apologies. I do have a note written to myself but about Liv and Ola Trondson Brandvol. I have written two names next to theirs
Ingeborg b. 12-6-1866 and Birgit b. 11-8-1872. I'm sorry but I didn't note the source. As hard as I am trying to keep everything straight my work is sloppy. This genealogy study is confusing.

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 01/04/2008 21:08:24
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I gave you that info about a week ago, I forgot it myself...

Ingeborg, born 06 DEC 1866, chr 01 JAN 1867, Hemsedal, Buskerud
Parents: Ole Thronsen & Liv Mikkelsdr

Birgit, born 08 NOV 1872, chr 01 JAN 1873, Hemsedal, Buskerud
Parents: Ole Thronsen (33) & Liv Mikkelsdr (32)

Ole Trondson Brandvold looks to be born about 1839.
Liv Mikkelsdr Fauske is born 1840.

Jan Peter

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 01/04/2008 21:24:34
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Thron
Born 24 JAN 1870
Christening 27 FEB 1870, Hemsedal, Buskerud
Parents: Ole Thronsen b. 1839 & Liv Mikkelsdr b. 1840, Hjelmen
Source information: Buskerud county, Hemsedal in Gol, Parish register copy nr. II 4 (1859-1874), Birth and baptism records 1870, page 34.

It sure looks like Caroline & Trond where first cousins.

Jan Peter

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 01/04/2008 21:28:35
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quote:

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Originally posted by Erik Carsten
This genealogy study is confusing.

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Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 01/04/2008 21:41:58
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O.K. First cousins. Then I would expect to find Liv and Ola Trondson Brandvol where Caroline and Thron ended up. I found Carolin and Thron in White Rock South Dakota with their sons Leivert and Clarence in 1900 U.S. Census....but after that I could find no census information on them at all.

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 01/04/2008 21:52:53
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....their name could be Trondson but their farm name could have been Sletto? Slettene?

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 01/04/2008 22:53:07
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I think if somebody could look in Qu'appelle Saskachewan that the Brandvold people might be found there. Can anybody see them?

thank you

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 01/04/2008 23:06:53
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I did have a look there yesterday, but couldn't find any familiar names...?

1911 Census for Saskatchewan, Canada:

Garland Brandvold, 1857
Carrie  Brandvold, 1862
Martin  Brandvold, 1886
Edward  Brandvold, 1890
Carline Brandvold, 1894
Harry   Brandvold, 1896
Selma   Brandvold, 1901
Olaind  Brandvold, 1901
Mabel   Brandvold, 1903
Alton   Brandvold, 1905

Jan Peter

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 01/04/2008 23:30:11
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I can see them in the 1906 CANADA Census. found in Ancestry.com

Tron b 1870
Caroline b. 1868
Brandvold, no first name b 1894
Clarence b. 1899
Lida b. 1901
Nellie b. 1904

Strange they are not in the 1911 Census. They might have moved back to the United States?

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 03/04/2008 08:02:00
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Dear Board Members:

1. The book sent to me by interlibrary loan for Modum was the wrong volume. So we are still at a dead end with regards to Oluf's father.

2. I have the Saskatchewan Genealogy Society looking into the question of the Brandvold people that were at Qu'appelle, SK in the 1906 Territoryial Census.

Now I have another mystery that has been bugging me.

Going back to early posts in this very long thread it was noted that Oluf's stepfather, Josias Boraas came over from Norway with his wife Ingeborg and their sons Torsten and Haagen aboard the ship VICTOR in 1866.

However, in two other sources I have come across it states that there were two sisters, Ingeborg and Emma that also came with them.

They are listed in their brother's Henry (Haagen obituary) and also in a family document that the Douglas County Historical Society has sent met.

I see an Ingeborg Hagen married to a John Hagen living in EVansville, Douglas Minnesota in the 1880 Census. She was said to be born in 1853-1854.

Here is the problem. Looking at the DIGITALARKIVET for this family in 1865 in the Nord Trondelag Fylke, Hegre Sogn parish, we see Josias, Ingeborg, Torsten and Haagen.....but no girls.

In the ship's manifest of the VICTOR sailing in 1866 for America we see the family but again, no girls.

In the 1875 Douglas County Census they are again not with the family, which means they were then probably old enough to be married and had moved out. But why were they not with the family in Norway or on the Ship's manifest?

I don't have any idea when "Emma" might have been born but I am looking for these two girls.

Any ideas?

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 03/04/2008 19:02:34
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Ingeborg Anna
Born 05-FEB-1853
Christening 13-MAR-1853, Hegra, Øvre Stjørdal, Nord-Trøndelag
Parents: Josias Torstensen Raajerdet & Ingeborg Hemmingsdr

Ingebor A. Josiasdatter as a servant on Boraas østre in census-1865.

Here is one Emma Boraas in the 1880-census for Cerro Gordo, Lac qui parle, Minnesota. But Boraas looks to be her married name...

Jan Peter

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 03/04/2008 22:31:38
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Thank you Jan Peter.
That is the girl. No doubt. What does "servant" actually mean in this context? She was only 12 years old and living away from her parents? Just for the record, I see Annie (Ingeborg) in the 1880 US Census living with her husband John Hagen, and children Emelie (7) and Twins Julius (3) and Gilbert (3) in Evansville, Douglas Minnesota

In the 1900 US Census I see Annie (46) still with John Hagen (52), son Gilbert (22) and more children IDA (15), Albert (13), and Annie (10)
living in Duluth, Minnesota
In the 1910 US Census I see John Hagen listed as widowed. I believe Annie passed away on 12-28-1909. I am trying to locate an obituary.

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 03/04/2008 22:34:26
Message:

Here is one Emma Boraas in the 1880-census for Cerro Gordo, Lac qui parle, Minnesota. But Boraas looks to be her married name...

Jan Peter
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I have run into this family in my researching but I don't think they are related to the Josias Boraas family

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 03/04/2008 22:38:36
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According to the obituary of Henry Boraas that mentions his two sisters, it stated that Annie (I think this must be a mistake and it should have read EMMA) was married to a Paul Johnson and that they lived in IOWA for a time, and eventually she ended up in FARIBAULT, Minnesota.

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 03/04/2008 22:55:25
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quote:

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Originally posted by Erik Carsten

Thank you Jan Peter.
That is the girl. No doubt. What does "servant" actually mean in this context? She was only 12 years old and living away from her parents?

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Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 03/04/2008 22:59:29
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Thank you Jan Peter, can you or other Board Members.

Can anybody locate the following family either in Goodhue County, Holden Township or Douglas County, LaGrande township in the 1870 Census.

Josias Boraas b. May 20, 1821
Ingeborg Hansdotter Boraas b. 1821
Ingeborg Anna Boraas b. 2-5-1853
Torsten Boraas b. June 16, 1855
Haagen Boraas b. Jan. 16, 1862
Emma. no information

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 08/04/2008 01:51:01
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[quote]Originally posted by Erik Carsten

Thank you Jan Peter, can you or other Board Members.

Can anybody locate the following family either in [i]Goodhue County, Holden Township or Douglas County, in 1870 Census?

Josias Torstensen Boraas b. May 20, 1821
Ingeborg Hansdotter Boraas b. 1824
Ingeborg Anna Boraas b. 2-5-1853
Torsten Boraas b. June 16, 1855
Haagen Boraas b. Jan. 16, 1862
Emma. no information but possibly married


Again, am posting this question to the board. I have been unable to locate this family in 1870 CENSUS. Can anybody see them anywher? They MUST be there, they arrived here in 1866.

Reply author: tlwright65
Replied on: 10/04/2008 02:48:16
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You're right, Erik....I have looked and looked in all counties of MN and can't find them under any variation of Boraas or Torstenson. They may not have gone straight to Minnesota either. I know they were there in 1875, but they could have been somewhere else before that. I'll keep trying to help!

Reply author: Holly
Replied on: 10/04/2008 05:21:57
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I looked at every male, born Norway, age between 41 & 50 in both of those counties & couldn't find him. I even looked for every male between 51 & 60.

If you have his neighbors from the 1860 or 1880 census, you might want to try to find them to see if there is an empty dwelling next to them. If no one was home when the census taker came to visit, they'd sometimes ask neighbors about who was living in the "empty" home, but they sometimes just listed the dwelling as empty.

By the way, you were wondering about "Thomson". My Torje Tjøstolvsen / Kjøstolvsen became Tora or Thomas Thompson & all of his sons ended up with that surname as well.

I wanted to ask you & maybe you don't know, were your people connected to any of the "Holden" churchex?
Holden in Goodhue County, MN

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 10/04/2008 20:16:32
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Dear T.L. Wright.

Thank you for your efforts. I"m sure there is an explanation. In one of the son's obitiuary (Henry/Haagen) it says they settled in Goodhue County in 1866 and in 1871 moved to Douglas County.

In a grandson's obituary it states that they moved to Goodhue County in 1866 and farmed for 5 years in the HOLDEN Township near Wanamingo. Josias then took his family and they moved to Douglas County and settle in La Grand Township. That would mean 1871

In some biographical information I obtained from the Douglas county historical society it says Josias and his family moved to Douglas County in 1869.

In the other son's obituary (Torsten/Thomas) it states also they moved to Douglas County in 1869, where they homesteaded a farm which at least in 1942 was known as the Emil E. Nelson home of La Grand

So in some information I have them moving to Douglas County in 1869 and in others it is in 1871.

Frankly I'm stumped!

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 10/04/2008 20:32:06
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Holly, thank you for your kind consideration and interest in my family research. I don't know if my family had any connection to Holden Church. The Boraas people probably did. Do you have a connection there to see if they are members of the Church between 1866 and at the latest 1871?

My Blood Relatives that I am currently researching also settled in Kenyon area of Goodhue. Holden to be exact.

They might be found in the church records under a number of names. Aslaksen, Mikkelsdatter/sen Thompson, or Fauske, Teigen or possibly even Solberg.

We would be looking for a women named Margit b. 1830 and two sons Tor (Theodore) Aslaksen b. 1856 and Oluf b. 1870 that arrived in the summer of 1871 and stayed there until about 1875.

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 10/04/2008 21:11:36
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In the 1900 US Census I see Josias' daughter Annie /Ingeborg(46) still with John Hagen (52), son Gilbert (22) and more children IDA (15), Albert (13), and Annie (10)
living in Duluth, Minnesota
In the 1910 US Census I see John Hagen listed as widowed. I believe Annie passed away on 12-28-1909. I am trying to locate an obituary.
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Can anybody tell me if the John Hagen listed above, b. abt. 1847 is the older brother to Gunder Hagen, b. abt 1849, also found in Douglas County?

The reason I ask is I see that Josias Boraas purchased a farm in 1884 from Gunder and Johanna Hagen. On of Josias' daughter looks to have married a John Hagen around 1873.

Reply author: Holly
Replied on: 10/04/2008 22:56:50
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Erik, your family seems to kind of nibble around the edges of one branch of my family. I've gone through this whole lengthy thead & have yet to find any direct connection. My eastern branch lived on the border of Aust Adger & Telemark. They emigrated at the end of 1853 or early 1854 & settled in Waushara County, Wisconsin. They were members of the Holt Church in Mount Morris, which is one that does have a connection with the Holden churches.

Part of the problem may be my reliance on the research of a distant cousin. I don't know if the people that I have from "Solberg" are from the same Solberg as yours. Most of the information that I have is from the Holt Parish, but I have people in several other parishes in the region. Some from "Vestre Solberg" were in the Vegaarshei Parish (I've no idea if that is even the parish your people were from).

Looking at a list of all of the parishes in AA in 1801, many of them look familiar to me & I haven't done any serious work on that branch of my family for about 5 years. A few of the parishes in Telemark also ring some bells. I have about 5000 people in my DB from that region. You just keep talking & I'll just continue to search my DB to see if I can find that thread that links your people to mine.

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 10/04/2008 23:01:22
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I am still trying to find the other "Missing" daughter of Josias. In the written information I have she is named Annie and married a Paul Johnson and they resided in Iowa but by the time of her death she was in Faribault, MN. In the same written information it lists her sister as "Emma" but I believe they have it backwards.

Annie, originally known as Ingeborg married John Hagen and they lived in Duluth. So I am thinking that the other "Missing" daughter really was known as "Emma".

I feel she would have been born prior to 1853 because Jan Peter found this family in the 1865 census and there were no daughters with the family, and Annie/Ingeborg was 12 years old living with a family nearby as a servant. I am thinking her sister must have been doing something similar or perhaps married. She certainly would not have gone by EMMA in Norway, this is Americanized name. But I don't know what her Norwegian name could have been.

This is why I am trying to find the 1870 census.....to learn more about this girl.

And also to try and reconcile what my family's written information is saying, that Josias and Ingeborg came to American with their 4 children, when the ship's manifest shows they only came over the the two boys.

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 10/04/2008 23:23:16
Message:

Here is the original image for their arrival in 1866. No girls mentioned...



Jan Peter

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 10/04/2008 23:42:32
Message:

Thank you Jan Peter. Where are you getting access to the original document?

Do you see record of the immigration in 1866 or 1867 of Margit's sister,....

Kari b. 1834 and Ola Helgeson Berg b.1829 with their children Ambjor b. 1860, Birgit b. 1856, Helge b. 1859 ---------Caroline having been born in 1868 and Martin in 1872 after their arrival.....

I see the family in the 1870 census in Goodhue County, Kenyon under the name of HELGERSON.

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 10/04/2008 23:45:23
Message:

I found the girls! They came over with the Bark Franklin, leaving Trondheim Apr. 28 1869, arriving Quebec June 18.



Ingeborganna Jossiasdatter (18), from Stjørdalen
Anna Jossiasdatter (22), from Stjørdalen

Confirmation record #28, 02 OCT 1864:
Anne Josiasdatter Boraasgjerdet, born 08 DEC 1848
Parents Josias Torstensen & Ingeborg Hemmingsdatter

Source: Nord-Trøndelag county, Hegra in Øvre Stjørdal, Parish register (official) nr. 703A02 (1863-1879), Confirmation records 1864, page 84.

Jan Peter

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 10/04/2008 23:51:33
Message:

Anne Josiasdatter (17) was a servant on Leangsviken farm in Frosta parish, Nord-Trøndelag, census-1865.

Mali Hemingsdatter is probably her aunt, ie a sister of Ingeborg Hemmingsdatter.

Jan Peter

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 11/04/2008 00:11:54
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I'm happy we found them.

The access to the original arrival documents for Quebec can be done from http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/, but they are not indexed (searchable) by passenger names. You have to know the name of the ship, which was Victor in 1866 and Franklin in 1869 for the girls.

Christening record # 15, 1849.
Source: Nord-Trøndelag county, Stjørdal/Nedre Stjørdal (Værnes), Parish register (official) nr. 709A14 (1845-1858), Birth and baptism records 1849, page 63.

Jan Peter

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 30/04/2008 18:05:31
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quote:

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Originally posted by jwiborg

You should look for this:

Farmname: Solbergeiet
Land number: 45 (Norw: Gårdsnummer, Gnr)
Title number: 5 (Norw: Bruksnummer, Bnr)
Parish: Nedre Eiker (Norw: Sogn/Herred)
County: Buskerud

The book is most likely sorted by landnumbers. Look for land number 45, and title number 5, which was the farm owned by Kristoffer Kaspersen.
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dear Jan Peter.

I have the Modum bydgebok and it is sorted by Garde number. But garde number 45 is not Solbergeit. Is there another bydgebok I should be looking at for this farm?

thank you.

Jan Peter

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Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 30/04/2008 19:01:26
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Hi,
I think there's been some kind of mistake here.

Christian Caspersen is born 13 Oct 1831 in Modum, Buskerud, but that is not where he lived when he died.

Christian died at Solberg-eiet, which is a farm in the neighboring parish Nedre Eiker. So the bygdebok for Nedre Eiker is where you should look to find the Solberg farms.
As said earlier; they should be listed under farm number 45 in Nedre Eiker. But I'm not sure if there exist a bygdebok for the area...?

Farm number 45 in Modum would be a farm called Kaldåker, but that is way off.

You could find Christian Caspersen in the Modum bygdebok though, since he is born there. Look for his parents Casper Christophersen (Kasper Kristoffersen) & Pernelle Knudsdatter.
Not sure what farm they lived on in Modum...

Jan Peter

Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 30/04/2008 20:28:19
Message:

Christian is #5
father carpenter Casper Christophersen and mother Pernille Knudsdatter. (Cannot read farm, but they were Inderste - renters).
There are no bygdebøker for Eiker/Nedre/Øvre Eiker.
In 1865 Christian is with his brother and mother at Solberg in nedre Eiker, see here

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 30/04/2008 21:37:19
Message:

Dear Jan Peter, yes you are right. Farm # 45 is Kaldaker. You said Christian Kasperson died at Solbergeit. What year did he die?

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 30/04/2008 21:44:27
Message:

He died Nov 11th, 1870.

It was actually you who found him...

The question is; can he be the father of Oluf, born April 18th, 1870? And where is Oluf born?

Jan Peter

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 30/04/2008 21:59:15
Message:

Dear Jan Peter.
The dates fit the information that has been printed in our family history. According to Olaf's biographical sketch, it says his father died about 1 year after his birth.

But how to prove anything? In the link you show for Kristian Kaspersen's death. There are some letters before his name. Can you read what it says and what does it mean?

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 30/04/2008 22:38:51
Message:

I believe it says "Ung", which would be short for ungkar, ie bachelor.

That is a pity, because your information says that they were married....
Margit's emigration in 1871 also says she was married.
It could be a white lie though... since emigrating alone as a single mum with two young boys was not good,...

Jan Peter

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 30/04/2008 23:02:29
Message:

yes....I agree, it could be a white lie. But it is disappointing that we find no record of his birth or baptism in Norway....in Nedre Eiker. I've looked in the arkiverkert and I couldn't find him in Nedre Eiker. If not there, where?

If there was a way to show any connection between this Kristian Solberg and the Fauske-Teigen people....but it would be like finding a needle in a haystack.

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 30/04/2008 23:06:46
Message:

quote:

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Originally posted by jwiborg

Emigration on 07-JUL-1871

Marit Mikelsdatter, married(!), (41) from Goel, destination Milwauce
Tor Aslaksen (11)
Oluf Aslaksen (1/2)

Jan Peter
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Are we looking in the wrong area? In this posting it shows she identified herself from Goel. I assume this is GOL? Are there any Solberg farms in GOL?

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Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 01/05/2008 12:22:02
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No, not really.
Hemsedal was a sub-parish under the main parish Gol in those days, so it would make sense saying she was from Gol or Hemsedal. But of course, it doesn't have to be Hemsedal, so there would be more churchbooks to look through, since Gol has it's own.

The Fauske-Teigen farm where her mother died in 1868, and father died in 1872, is located in Hemsedal.
If it's your Margit that we found in Eiker in census-1865, it would make sense that she moved home in the later 1860's, to take care of her son Tor and father when her mother died. I would guess that Tor Aslaksen was raised by Margit's parents at the Fauske-Teigen farm.

Hallingdal is the valley from Hemsedal, down through Gol, Ål, Hol, Nes and Flå.



Jan Peter

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 01/05/2008 17:54:44
Message:

Dear Jan Peter:

Yes, I see where you are going with this. In the 1865 Census both are living in EKER. Where is Eker? I don't see it on the map above. Is Eker equal to Eiker?

But how to prove a connection to the Mariet Michalsdatter (Tjenestepige) on the Hoen Farm in Eker and this Kristian Kaspersen on the Solberg farm. How would they have met? Are the two farms close enough so that they would have gone to the same church?

Also, for Kristian Kaspersen Solberg, it lists him as a pentionist. What does this mean exactly?

thank you.

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 01/05/2008 18:12:50
Message:

Yes, Eker is Eiker..., sometimes you might see it split in two (Nedre/Øvre Eiker), ie Lower and Upper Eiker.

Seeing Kristian Kaspersen as a pentionist is a bit strange..., a pentionist/pensjonist is a pensioner, retiree, retired person, senior citizen, senior.

In those days it would indicate that he received some kind of money from the local goverment. To receive a pension in those days was not "normal", and atleast not when you were in the 30's...

The death statement from the lensmann ("sheriff") in Eiker shows that bachelor Christian Caspersen Solbergeie died 11-11-1870, 38 years old.
A brother and two sisters was still alive. A sister Oline died 27 apr 1869. This Oline gave birth 31 mar 1869 to a son named Olaf. His father was a swedish worker in Hadeland, Johan Larsen. Olaf is christened in Nedre Eiker 06 May 1869.

This Olaf would be called Olaf Johansen, since his father was Johan... so he would be O.J..... O.J. Burros?

But he is registered in the 1875 census on Solbergeie, together with Christopher Caspersen b. 1821 and Johanne Caspersd. b. 1823. The 1875-census for Eiker, Buskerud is not online.

Jan Peter

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 01/05/2008 18:36:04
Message:

http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=5888&idx_id=5888&idx_listetype=dp&idx_kjonn=&uid=ny&idx_side=-63

Dear Jan Peter. Look at #28 and tell me if there is anything there of interest? Olaf, illigitimate? fathter Christian

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 01/05/2008 18:55:12
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http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=5861&idx_id=5861&idx_listetype=uf&idx_kjonn=&uid=ny&idx_side=-6

Also, here is a Kristoffer Solberg #26. What does the writing say about this man?

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 01/05/2008 20:58:52
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Jan Peter, it looks like this Kristoffer Solberg found about in Nedre Eiker got married here.....

#21
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=5861&idx_id=5861&idx_listetype=vi&idx_kjonn=&uid=ny&idx_side=-17

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 02/05/2008 00:16:44
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Dear Jan Peter,

since the 1865 CENSUS records for Gol Hemsedal are lost....I thought maybe by looking at some of Margits neices and nephews births might give us a clue as to where she was. I am posting some links to the following children of Ole Helgesen Berg and Kari (Margit's sister) Mikkelsdatter and one child of Ole Mikkelsen and Synnov Knutsdatter. These are all neices and nephews of Margit.

Birgit B. 1-19-1856 #14http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=3065&idx_id=3065&idx_listetype=dp&idx_kjonn=b&uid=ny&idx_side=-32


Ambjor B. 8-21-1861 # 36.http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=3066&idx_id=3066&idx_listetype=dp&idx_kjonn=&uid=ny&idx_side=-9

Helge B. 8-31-1864 #45....AND...
Mikkel Olsen #53 (son of Ole Mikkelsen (Margit's brother) and Synnov Knutsdatter)

http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=3066&idx_id=3066&idx_listetype=dp&idx_kjonn=&uid=ny&idx_side=-19

Do you see Margit's name listed as attending the baptism or as a possible Godparent to any of these children?

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 02/05/2008 01:33:01
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here is the record of the marriage between Ole Helgesen (BERG) and KARI Mikkelsdatter (FAUSKE).....Margit's sister.....

1856 #3
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=3065&idx_id=3065&idx_listetype=vi&idx_kjonn=&uid=ny&idx_side=-9

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 02/05/2008 01:40:30
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Jan Peter.... I think I see Margit HERE! in 1870 for the birth of Birgit #3......the daughter of Ole Mikkelsen and Synnov Knutsdatter.....brother to Mikkel and Niece to Margit......

BIRGIT #10
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=3066&idx_id=3066&idx_listetype=dp&idx_kjonn=&uid=ny&idx_side=-34


What do you think?

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 02/05/2008 17:32:42
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For the record, here is the marriage of Liv Mikkelsdatter and Ole Throndson Brandvol in 1866
#9
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=3066&idx_id=3066&idx_listetype=vi&idx_kjonn=&uid=ny&idx_side=-5

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 02/05/2008 17:46:37
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Dear Jan Peter.

One of the things I am realizing is that all of the major events of Margit's family are well documented. Everything is there. If Oluf had been born in Hemsedal I would assume he would be in the book like everybody else.

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 05/05/2008 17:55:46
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quote:

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Originally posted by eibache

Christian is #5
father carpenter Casper Christophersen and mother Pernille Knudsdatter. (Cannot read farm, but they were Inderste - renters).
There are no bygdebøker for Eiker/Nedre/Øvre Eiker.
In 1865 Christian is with his brother and mother at Solberg in nedre Eiker, see here

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Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 05/05/2008 19:02:26
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Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 07/05/2008 04:21:50
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Hi,

Sorry to be in this so late but is anyone still interested in Ole Tronson Brandvold?

His obituary was published in the Hallinglag of America's magazineHallingen in December 1922, page1399-1400. His birthdate is given as 20 June 1837. His funeral was conducted on the 17th [month not given ]His age at death is given as 85 years, 3 months, 34 days. It says he came to America from Vang, Valders where he lived until from 1876 (which might explain why he was not found in the US census)until 1900, when he came to Douglas county, Minnesota, then to South Dakota. In 1904 he moved to Macoun, Saskatchewan, Canada. Survivors mentioned are the widow, Mrs. CJ Hemsedal, Hallingdal, Mrs. Johnson in St. Paul, Minnesota; Trond Brandvold, Ole Brandvold, Mrs. Peter Brandvold all of Macoun.

The Mrs' obituary was published in Hallingen in March 1926, page 64. Her deathdate is reported as 22 Jan 1926 and she is survived by 5 children:Tom and Ole of Macoun; Mrs. Betzy sic Bramstad, Midale California; Mrs. Mary Johnson of St. Paul, Minnesota; Mrs. Ingeborg Dækko Hemsedal, Hallingdal; another daughter Mrs. Inge Bergum died some before. It also says Liv came to Douglas County, Minnesota in 1890. In 1892 they homesteaded on the Sisseton reservation by Crawford, S.D. for 11 years, then two years at Roseau, Minnesota and after 1904 in Macoun.


There are Solberg farms found in the Gol (Hallingdal) bygdebok in volumes IV, pages 609, 722, and volume VI, page 673; and a Solberget in Volume III, page 834. Perhaps this is the farm you need for the other question.

Hope this is of interest....

Jackie M.

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 07/05/2008 08:05:27
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Dear Jackie.

We have been looking for these people for some time.....Thank you! It is nice to know what became of Liv, Margit's sister.

Through the help of the researchers here at Norwegian Heritage, it has been shown that Ole and Liv's son Thrond, married Caroline-a first cousin. I show Thrond and Caroline in Qu'apelle, SASK. in 1906 but after that I see no record of them. Is that "Tom", listed as a son of Liv, Thrond?

Also, by Midale you mean SASK, not California, right? Also, I could not find Crawford, South Dakota?
Thank you.

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 07/05/2008 08:18:24
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[quote]Originally posted by jwiborg

It sure does!

Knut Olsen Teigen (travelling companion) to Theodore A. Thompson in 1914, is Theodore's cousin!
Knut is the son of Margit's brother Ole Mikkelsen Fauske-Teigen (1843-1923).

Ole Mikkelsen Fauske-Teigen (1843-1923) & Sunnev Knutsdatter Fekjo (1836-1906) had the following children:
Mekkel 1864-1955, farmer on Fauske-Teigen
Birgit* 1867-1952, married to Ola Nilsson Brandvøl
Birgit* 1870, married to Endre Trondson Jordheim -> Emigrated to America
Knut 1872 -> Emigrated to America
Ola 1874 -> Emigrated to America
Per 1878 -> Emigrated to America
Margit 1881

*Could be a writing error, I doubt that both sisters were named Birgit.
The farmbook from Hemsedal reveals that Ole was a good mason, making indoor open fireplaces (hearth).
Mekkel (1864-1955) and his wife did not have children, and were both quiet people, always happy and satisfied.
His saying was "It's good enough"...

Knut was home in Norway in 1911 and 1914.
In 1914, there was a jubilee in Hemsedal which they attended, and Knut was elected by the "Hemsedal people in America" to deliver their gift to Hemsedal community.
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Dear Jan Peter. A very nice mortician dug up (not literally though) Knut's obituary for me. As I learned, Knut moved to Kalispell, Montana to be close to his brother, Peder. At the time of his death the obituary listed survivor's as 3 brothers:
1. OleTeigen in Bowman, North Dakota
2. Michael (Mikkel) in Norway
3. Peder in Kalispell, Montana.
and two sisters:
1. Mrs. A. Nygaard, also in Bowman, North Dakota
2. Birget in Norway.

I looked at the birth records for the parish and yes, there were TWO Birgits. I don't know why they would name them the same but they did.

I am thinking that the Birgit that married Endre Jordheim, somehow his name was changed to Nygaard.

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 07/05/2008 10:30:25
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Eric,

Yes sorry Midale Sask. There are a few discrepancies between the two obituaries. Yes it often happens that children are named the same name: two grandparents with that first name may mean there has to be 2 children with that name--you wouldn't expect grandparents to share a namesake? Etc.

Knut Olson Teigen gave $5 for Hemsedal as part of the Folkegaven project about 1910-1914. This project involved raising money to give to their home kommunes. Money was first spent to raise bautastein in each kommune in Hallingdal carved with the names of the 1807-1814 veterans. The money (about $20,000 US) was taken to Norway. Estimates of about 1200 Hallings visited with the funds. When he donated his address was "Greenville, SD".

Peder Olson Teigen of Creston, Mont gave $10.
Ole Olson Teigen of Bowman, N.D. gave $10.
Ole Throndson Brandvold of Macoun Sask gave $5.
Thrond Olson Brandvold of Macoun Sask gave $5.

Best, Jackie

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 07/05/2008 18:33:31
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Hi.

Thanks to the new poster on these boards, I have finally found Liv and Ole Brandvold and some of their children.

I see them in the 1906 Canada Census of Manitoba, Saskatchewan, and Alberta.

Ede Brandvold, b 1827 = OLE
Lio Brandvold, b. 1827 = LIV
Ole Brandvold (son) born 1880
Inga Brandvod (daughter) born 1888.....she married BERGUM
Tho Brandvold = THROND b. 1870
his wife Caroline
and their children Leivert, Clarence, Lida, and Nellie.

Note that in the 1900 US Census where I found Thron and Caroline living in White Rock, SD....they state LEIVERT is a STEP-SON. That would indicate either CAROLINE or THRON had another spouse before they married.

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 07/05/2008 20:38:19
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dear Jackie,

Can you explain about this Hallinglag? Also, t his magazine you spoke about, is it still being published? If not, when did they stop printing it?


Is there still an active group of Hallingdal descendants? I would be interested in joining.

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 07/05/2008 20:47:42
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...according to the Bydgebok pages that were send to me by a cousin that has this book, there is a section on the Brandvol family.
It states that Ola and Liv had a farm Grov i VANG 1876-1900. Then it says this

"I Amerika budde dei fyrst i Minnesota, so i Sor Dakota, men i 1904 flotte dei til Canada." Dei var gifte i 51 ar og hadde 5 born

do I understand that they married ag age 51? That must be a misprint.

what does "budde" mean?

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 07/05/2008 20:51:35
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quote:

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Originally posted by Erik Carsten
"I Amerika budde dei fyrst i Minnesota, so i Sor Dakota, men i 1904 flotte dei til Canada." Dei var gifte i 51 ar og hadde 5 born.

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Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 07/05/2008 21:03:09
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o.k. thanks.

I just got an email from the Sasketchewan Genealogical Society and there is a 4 page biographical sketch on the Brandvolds in Macoun, and she is sending it down to me.

Jan Peter, this is really filling in all the grey areas with the exception of the big one. Olaf's father.

Do you feel we are stuck for them moment and do you have any other suggestions?

I am almost ready to move onto the "Bakken" side of my family.

Best Regards,
E.B.

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 08/05/2008 04:18:52
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Hi Eric,

Yes the Hallinglag is still functional. Last year was our hundredth anniversary celebration. The magazine has been continuously published since 1908. This year's stevne (meeting) is in Minot, North Dakota. Here is our web address:

http://www.fellesraad.com/hallinglag-home.htm

Welcome!

Jackie M.

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 13/05/2008 19:09:08
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quote:

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Originally posted by jwiborg

quote:

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Originally posted by Erik Carsten
"I Amerika budde dei fyrst i Minnesota, so i Sor Dakota, men i 1904 flotte dei til Canada." Dei var gifte i 51 ar og hadde 5 born.

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In America they lived first in Minnesota, then in South Dakota, but in 1904 they moved to Canada. They were married for 51 years and had 5 children.

Jan Peter

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Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 13/05/2008 21:16:04
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Jan Peter, actually according to this posting from JKMARLER from the HALLINGLAG it shows LIV came over in 1890? I'm confused, who had the farm in VANG till 1900?


The Mrs' obituary was published in Hallingen in March 1926, page 64. Her deathdate is reported as 22 Jan 1926 and she is survived by 5 children:Tom and Ole of Macoun; Mrs. Betzy sic Bramstad, Midale California; Mrs. Mary Johnson of St. Paul, Minnesota; Mrs. Ingeborg Dækko Hemsedal, Hallingdal; another daughter Mrs. Inge Bergum died some before. It also says Liv came to Douglas County, Minnesota in 1890. In 1892 they homesteaded on the Sisseton reservation by Crawford, S.D. for 11 years, then two years at Roseau, Minnesota and after 1904 in Macoun.

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 14/05/2008 02:24:54
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Hi,

Here is the web page address for the homestead Ole T. Brandvold took in South Dakota--dated 1901.

http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/PatentSearch/Detail.asp?Accession=SDMTAA+078284&Index=2&QryID=72572%2E34&DetailTab=1

Perhaps, Mrs. & Mr. migrated seperately?

The obituary says this. exactly:

"Mrs. Branvold, som var født i Hemsedal, Norge, kom, ifølge med sin familie, til Brandon, Douglas county, Minn., in 1890. I 1892 tog de homestead paa Sisseton Reservation, Crawford, S.Dak. hvor de forblev i 11 aar. Siden var de 2 aar i Roseau county, Minn., og kom til Canada i 1904."

Obviously some discrepancies between the two obits requiring more research etc.

Hilsen,
Jackie M.

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 14/05/2008 03:05:47
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Hi,

Here are the utflyttes from Vang Valdres records for both Thrond Olsen and Ole Throndson, Liv and barn:

Source information: Oppland county, Vang in Vang, Parish register (official) nr. 8 (1882-1910), Emigration records 1887-1894, page 213.

Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=3620&idx_id=3620&uid=ny&idx_side=-205


Jackie M.

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 14/05/2008 16:26:13
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The farm they lived on in Vang, Valdres, Oppland was called Grøv, a small holding under the farm Baggethun Nordre (land number 35) in Vang.

From the link above:
Emigration on June 1st, 1888, Destination Minnesota:
Ungk Thrond Olsen Grøv, b 1870

Emigration on April 18th, 1890, Destination Brandon, Minnesota:
Gmd Ole Throndsen Grøv, b 1837
Kone Liv Mikkelsdtr Grøv, b 1837
Pige Birgit Olsdtr Grøv, b 1873
Pige Marit Olsdtr Grøv, b 1876
Ungk Ole Olsen Grøv, b 1879
Pige Ingrid Olsdtr Grøv, b 1888

Jan Peter

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 14/05/2008 16:36:37
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quote:

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Originally posted by Erik Carsten

Actually according to this posting from JKMARLER from the HALLINGLAG it shows LIV came over in 1890? I'm confused, who had the farm in VANG till 1900?

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Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 14/05/2008 19:20:06
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Jackie. Thanks for that.

I could never find Ole and Liv in the 1900 CENSUS. They should be in South Dakota. Are they there under the name of Grove?

I do see Thrond and Caroline and her family but I can't find Thronds parents

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 14/05/2008 19:28:11
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Hi Jan Peter....

There was a daughter of Ola and Liv Branvold named Ingeborg and she married Ola Dekka fra Grondale i Hemsedal. Did they have a son named Mikkel by any chance? Who emigrated and eventually ended up in Macoun SASK?

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 14/05/2008 19:39:32
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No idea.

But Margit Mikkelsdatter's mother, Birgit Halvorsdatter, had a sister named Barbro Halvorsdatter. And this Barbro married one Mikkel Olsen from the Grøndalen farm in Hemsedal. So its likely that a child or grandchild of them maybe was named Mikkel...?

Jan Peter

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 14/05/2008 19:45:48
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Interesting! I knew this Barbro Halvorsdattor would come into the picture at some point.

Can you find her family. I'll bet she has sons named Halvor and Mekkel.

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 14/05/2008 20:03:35
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One problem is that the 1865-census for Gol & Hemsedal is lost, so you have to use the local churchbooks and the Bygdebook for the area. I don't have access to the Hemsedal Bygdebook now...

Jan Peter

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 14/05/2008 22:23:04
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Children of Michel Olsen & Barbro Halvorsdr:
Ole Michelsen    b 24 MAR 1832, Grøndalen, Hemsedal, Buskerud
Guri Michelsdr   b 08 JUL 1833, Grøndalen, Hemsedal, Buskerud
Margit Michelsdr b 07 JUL 1835, Grøndalen, Hemsedal, Buskerud
Halvor Michelsen b 27 JUN 1837, Grøndalen, Hemsedal, Buskerud
Kari Michelsdr   b 08 MAR 1841, Grøndalen, Hemsedal, Buskerud
Kirsti Michelsdr b 09 JUL 1843, Grøndalen, Hemsedal, Buskerud
Halvor Michelsen b 08 JAN 1846, Grøndalen, Hemsedal, Buskerud

Jan Peter

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 09/06/2008 20:13:26
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Dear Jan Peter.

Take a look at the Godparents for Bergit, daughter of Liv Ole Trondson Slettene (which later became Branvold I believe).

Liv was the sister of Margit........please see #3 on the link below...

http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=3066&idx_id=3066&uid=ny&idx_side=-44"]

Do I see Margit Mikkelsdatter and a Christian? Is this an "og" in between Margit and Christian or does it mean something else, like widow? Could this be the breakthrough we have been looking for?
But I don't see how. This is in 1873 and they had already emigrated......... Any thoughts?

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 12/06/2008 02:13:43
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marriage of Ole Dekko and Ingeborg Branvold

Ingeborg Branvold was the oldest child of six. Daughter of Ole and Liv Branvold. She stayed behind in Norway and married Ole Dekko in 1891. Ingeborg was born in December 6, 1866. Baptism January 1, 1867

Can anybody tell me if she stayed Norway or did they eventually emigrate as well.

I have looked in the 1900 census but no luck. I looked in emigratin records as well but no luck.

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 12/06/2008 05:18:25
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Hi Erik,

If she left it was quite late in life as she is listed as living in Hemsedal or Hallingdal in the obits of each of her parents. I have records I can check to see if she may have left--I'll let you know.

Jackie M

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 12/06/2008 17:20:12
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quote:

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Originally posted by jkmarler

Hi Erik,

If she left it was quite late in life as she is listed as living in Hemsedal or Hallingdal in the obits of each of her parents. I have records I can check to see if she may have left--I'll let you know.

Jackie M

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Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 12/06/2008 17:31:10
Message:

This looks like them in census-1900.

Jan Peter

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 15/06/2008 01:02:38
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Hi Erik,

In the Hemsedal bygdebok under Dekko Ingbjorg's dates are given as 1866-1957. Her three children are Jacob, Ola, Knut. Jacob died in 1919, Ola got the Dekko farm married Birgit Solheim and had 5 children, Knut married a woman from Baggetun in Vang Valdres. It does not appear from the biographies in the book that any from this family came to America.

The Lag has a very nice book given us by all the Kommunes of Hallingdal in 2000 which lists all the names of people leaving for America from each district as found in the church registers. Margit Mikkelsdatter Fauskoteigi is found on this list. No dates of departure are given but apparently it was known in the parish that she went to America.

Not much help for you today...

Hilsen,
Jackie M.

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 15/06/2008 02:31:24
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quote:

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Originally posted by jkmarler

Hi Erik,

In the Hemsedal bygdebok under Dekko Ingbjorg's dates are given as 1866-1957. Her three children are Jacob, Ola, Knut. Jacob died in 1919, Ola got the Dekko farm married Birgit Solheim and had 5 children, Knut married a woman from Baggetun in Vang Valdres. It does not appear from the biographies in the book that any from this family came to America.

The Lag has a very nice book given us by all the Kommunes of Hallingdal in 2000 which lists all the names of people leaving for America from each district as found in the church registers. Margit Mikkelsdatter Fauskoteigi is found on this list. No dates of departure are given but apparently it was known in the parish that she went to America.

Not much help for you today...

Hilsen,
Jackie M.

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Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 15/06/2008 02:33:40
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quote:

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Originally posted by jwiborg

Children of Michel Olsen & Barbro Halvorsdr:
Ole Michelsen    b 24 MAR 1832, Grøndalen, Hemsedal, Buskerud
Guri Michelsdr   b 08 JUL 1833, Grøndalen, Hemsedal, Buskerud
Margit Michelsdr b 07 JUL 1835, Grøndalen, Hemsedal, Buskerud
Halvor Michelsen b 27 JUN 1837, Grøndalen, Hemsedal, Buskerud
Kari Michelsdr   b 08 MAR 1841, Grøndalen, Hemsedal, Buskerud
Kirsti Michelsdr b 09 JUL 1843, Grøndalen, Hemsedal, Buskerud
Halvor Michelsen b 08 JAN 1846, Grøndalen, Hemsedal, Buskerud

Jan Peter

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Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 15/06/2008 02:37:30
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quote:

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Originally posted by jkmarler

Hi Erik,

In the Hemsedal bygdebok under Dekko Ingbjorg's dates are given as 1866-1957. Her three children are Jacob, Ola, Knut. Jacob died in 1919, Ola got the Dekko farm married Birgit Solheim and had 5 children, Knut married a woman from Baggetun in Vang Valdres. It does not appear from the biographies in the book that any from this family came to America.

The Lag has a very nice book given us by all the Kommunes of Hallingdal in 2000 which lists all the names of people leaving for America from each district as found in the church registers. Margit Mikkelsdatter Fauskoteigi is found on this list. No dates of departure are given but apparently it was known in the parish that she went to America.

Not much help for you today...

Hilsen,
Jackie M.

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Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 15/06/2008 03:27:37
Message:

Hi Erik,

Yes Tor Aslakson Fausko b. 1856 is on the list from Hemsedal. There are lots of Olas from Hemsedal but only 2 Olavs one born 1889 and the other born in 1896 obviously too late to be your man.

I've got to go--the sirens have just gone off and I don't think its a drill...

Jackie

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 15/06/2008 05:24:13
Message:

Hi Erik,

Looks like the storm has calmed again--really weird weather we've been having...

O yes Margit is listed in the Hemsedal list, in the book I mentioned. I haven't looked her up in the registers themselves, however...

Refresh me: your purpose is to find where in Norway Oluf was born and it appears he was born about 1871 and came to America about 1872???

Have you looked for a confirmation record over here? Sometimes-not always-pastors would record where confirmands were baptized. Do you know which church the family attended?

Jackie

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 15/06/2008 05:40:03
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Hi Jackie. I'm glad you are o.k. My parents are in Park Rapids and I called them and they were headed towards the basement also.

Margit and Olaf attended St. Petri church in Brandon. I have a relative looking into Olaf's confirmation record but I have not heard anything.

REgarding their emigration. Jan Peter found Thor's emigration record from the Parish but NOT Margit and Thor's/ He was supposing that maybe they were not living in the area at the time. However, Margit and Olaf did meet Thor and the three of them sailed together.

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 17/06/2008 23:38:01
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quote:

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Originally posted by jkmarler

Hi Erik,

Looks like the storm has calmed again--really weird weather we've been having...

O yes Margit is listed in the Hemsedal list, in the book I mentioned. I haven't looked her up in the registers themselves, however...

Refresh me: your purpose is to find where in Norway Oluf was born and it appears he was born about 1871 and came to America about 1872???

Have you looked for a confirmation record over here? Sometimes-not always-pastors would record where confirmands were baptized. Do you know which church the family attended?

Jackie

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Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 24/06/2008 03:21:09
Message:

Hi Erik,

If you are uncertain about the thoroughness of the research for the confirmation of your Oluf in the various church registers, you might want to do the search yourself. I'm not trying to "down" the efforts of others, far from it, but if the actual registers are not made available and are searched on your behalf by a harried pastor or secretary, the search might not include the subleties of variations in the name spelling etc. The ELCA archives have all the American Lutheran church registers (which through various historical consolidations include all the old Norwegian Lutheran churches) completed in the 1970s and will send out on loan to you. Fee for one month is about $15 and you must also pay for return postage. E write their achivist for information:

www.elca.org

Jackie M.

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 01/07/2008 03:56:53
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Birgit's death #5

Dear Jan Peter, can you tell me what it is written just before Birgit's name?

I beleive this is Margit Mikkelsdatter's mother who passed away in 1868 at the age of 66

Best Regards,
Erik.

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 01/07/2008 04:20:51
Message:

quote:

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Originally posted by Erik Carsten

For the record, here is the marriage of Liv Mikkelsdatter and Ole Throndson Brandvol in 1866
#9
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=3066&idx_id=3066&idx_listetype=vi&idx_kjonn=&uid=ny&idx_side=-5

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Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 03/07/2008 00:31:13
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Originally posted by jkmarler

Hi Erik,

If you are uncertain about the thoroughness of the research for the confirmation of your Oluf in the various church registers, you might want to do the search yourself. I'm not trying to "down" the efforts of others, far from it, but if the actual registers are not made available and are searched on your behalf by a harried pastor or secretary, the search might not include the subleties of variations in the name spelling etc. The ELCA archives have all the American Lutheran church registers (which through various historical consolidations include all the old Norwegian Lutheran churches) completed in the 1970s and will send out on loan to you. Fee for one month is about $15 and you must also pay for return postage. E write their achivist for information:

www.elca.org

Jackie M.

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Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 03/07/2008 00:45:15
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Birth of Margit Teigen, #46

Hi Jan Peter.

Margit's brother Ola had a daughter here, Margit Teigen. There is a Thomas Solberg, or Sotberg? written below. What do you make of this? Also, can you please tranlsate what is written off to the right side?

Thank you.

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 03/07/2008 00:52:04
Message:

MARGIT #21

Dear All.

Can anybody translate the word that is directly preceding Margit Olsdatter? and also the writing that is just below the dates of death and burial?

Thankyou

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 03/07/2008 00:57:14
Message:

Hi Erik,

Good to hear about the confirmation but no birthplace included--bummer on that!

Sorry, but a death in 1901 predates the earliest Hallinglag publication by seven years. Local newspapers might contain such an obit and some of the Norwegian language newspapers also --such as Skandinaven which has dates of 1866-1910 which have been microfilmed &were available for loan through your local public library inter library loan by requesting from the Illinois State system.

Also I checked the index to Hallingen 1908-1979 and found no Burros ( of any spelling), no Theodore Thompson, nor Aslakson, one obit from 1952 for "Mrs. Christian Solberg" of Minot North Dakota. However, an Olaf Buraas of Evansville, Minnesota gave $1.30 to the people's gift to Hemsedal (A centennial of the Norwegian constitution project of the Hallinglag, funds collected from about 1909-1914 for donating to each of the home kommunes and also raising memorial stones carved with the names of soldiers who served from each kommune in the years 1807-1814). Again the local papers should be consulted for an obit for Oluf as well as some of the Norwegian language papers and the Rowberg file. Sometimes the Norwegian language paper's obits contain more information about the origins of one's "Norwegianess".

Hilsen,
Jackie M.

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 03/07/2008 01:09:43
Message:

Hi Erik,

I believe Margit #21 says "self employed {person's] child".

The name is not Thomas Solberg but Tomas Sorteberg (sometimes carried as Svarteberg)which is a farm name from Aal, Hallingdal.

Jackie

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 03/07/2008 04:14:34
Message:

Dear Jackie.

Yes, the archivist found the confirmation record of Our Savior's Lutheran church in Evansville, MN. There we found Olaf Christofferson. Unbelievable that neither his parents or his birthplace is listed....unlike every other child in the class.

I am traveling to Evansville this next week and will be meeting with my relatives to see if anybody knows what happened to Oluf's bible. That might show where he was born, baptized and confirm the information that the ELCA Archvisist has found.

His birthplace and proof that his father was Christoffer Solberg still are elusive. But I'm sure we will find something.

Best Regards,
Erik.

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 03/07/2008 16:52:45
Message:

quote:

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Originally posted by Erik Carsten

MARGIT #21
Dear All.
Can anybody translate the word that is directly preceding Margit Olsdatter? and also the writing that is just below the dates of death and burial?
Thankyou

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Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 04/07/2008 01:56:42
Message:

Hi Erik,

Today I looked in the microfiched copy of the Rowberg file. I didnot find an obituary / story on Olaf/Oluf Burros (or Buraas) but did find an obit for Theodore A. Thompson, in which, Oluf is mentioned as the brother of Theodore. I know this is old news but his obit also mentions that he came to America in 1872 and lived in Goodhue county for three years before coming to Douglas County.

Have you purchased Oluf's death certificate or have you found an obituary on him in the local paper? You might also find the church funeral record for him--sometimes birth information, more detailed than just the country name is included.

Hilsen,
Jackie M.

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 14/07/2008 20:45:33
Message:

oluf Solberg's Birth Record !!!! FOUND!!!!!!


Dear Friends:

Unbelievable but thanks to the help of my brother, who is named Christopher! He has found the birth record of OLUF! and the information as far as I can see validates the family history that has been recorded.

1. Oluf's death certificate list his father as Christoffer Solberg

2. His confirmation record at Our SAviour LUtheran Church in 1884 lists his name as Olaf Christoffersen

3. The 1885 Douglas County Census lists his name as Olaf Christoffersen, living with his mother Margit Boraas and his step father Josias Boraas.

4. And now the above record. Can anybody translate any of the information on the record.

Best Regards, Erik.

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 14/07/2008 21:01:28
Message:

Wow! Finally! Congratulations!

It reads:

Born 18-Apr-1870, chr 03-Jul-1870
Oluf
Illegitimate child
Parents: Bachelor, farmer's boy Kristofer Olsen Solberg b. Eker and girl Mari Mikkelsdatter Teigen (Eker, now in Oppland)
Sponsors: Halvord (?) Dølengen, Mari Dølengen, Gulbrand Haugereie, Knud Haugereie, Olava Olsdatter Solberg born Eker.
Their both 1st(?) illegitimate child
Source information: Oppland county, Jevnaker, Parish register (official) nr. 7 (1858-1876), Birth and baptism records 1870, page 66.

Jan Peter

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 14/07/2008 21:50:28
Message:

One of the sponsors are Olava Olsdatter Solberg born Eker. Could she be a sister of Kristofer Olsen Solberg?

This could be Olava in census-1865, living on the Solberg farm in Eker, together with parents, two brothers and a sister.
Her parents are Ole Kristoffersen & Berte Johnsdatter.

Olava Olsdatter Solberg died in South Africa on 14 Dec 1890.

And take a look at this!

Kristofer Solberg
Birth: 26 MAR 1845, Buskerud, Norway
Christening record #51
Source information: Buskerud county, Haug in Eiker, Parish register copy nr. I 2 (1832-1856), Birth and baptism records 1845, page 111.
Spouse1: Emilie Weberg
Spouse2: Olga Hansdatter

Wonder if they must re-write the History of Douglas and Grant Counties - Minnesota, Constant Larson Editor-in-Chief Vol 11 1916 page 363...?

Ref: O. J. Burros, a successful farmer of Brandon township, Douglas county, was born in Norway on April 18. 1870, son and only child of Christian and Margaret (Mickelstadther) Solberg, natives of Norway, where the father died many years ago. Christian Solberg was engaged in farming and was well know in the community in which he lived. After his death his widow with her son came to the United States in 1872...

Jan Peter

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 15/07/2008 00:26:40
Message:

Children of Christofer Olsen Solberg & Hanna Emilie Weberg:
Borgine Ottilie Kristofersdatter, born 17 Sep 1873, Skoger, Buskerud
Kristiane Kristofersdatter, born 4 Oct 1877, Drammen, Buskerud?
Hanna Marie Kristofersdatter, born 23 Nov 1882, Strømsgodset, Buskerud
Olaf Kristofersen,, born 10 Feb 1885, Strømsgodset, Buskerud
Johannes Kristofersen, born 24 Sep 1887, Strømsgodset, Buskerud
Adolf Kristofersen, born 9 Jan 1890, Strømsgodset, Buskerud
Harald Kristofersen, born 8 Feb 1893, Strømsgodset, Buskerud

In census-1900, Christofer Olsen Solberg's 1st wife Emilie Weberg is dead, and Christofer lives with his children in Strømsgodset parish. Christofer is a butcher and sells meat.
Note: Some parts of Strømsgodset can be found under Vestfold. Christofer must have married Olga Hansdatter after 1900.

Interesting that he named his first son Olaf! In remembrance of the son that "left" him in 1872...?

Jan Peter

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 15/07/2008 01:52:28
Message:

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Originally posted by jwiborg

Children of Christofer Olsen Solberg & Emilie Weberg:
Otilie Kristofersdatter, born 17 Sep 1873
Kristiane Kristofersdatter, born 4 Oct 1877, Drammen, Buskerud?
Hanna Marie Kristofersdatter, born 23 Nov 1882, Strømsgodset, Buskerud
Olaf Kristofersen,, born 10 Feb 1885, Strømsgodset, Buskerud
Johannes Kristofersen, born 24 Sep 1887, Strømsgodset, Buskerud
Adolf Kristofersen, born 9 Jan 1890, Strømsgodset, Buskerud
Harald Kristofersen, born 8 Feb 1893, Strømsgodset, Buskerud

In census-1900, Christofer Olsen Solberg's 1st wife Emilie Weberg is dead, and Christofer lives with his children in Strømsgodset parish. Christofer is a butcher and sells meat.
Note: Some parts of Strømsgodset can be found under Vestfold. Christofer must have married Olga Hansdatter after 1900.

Interesting that he named his first son Olaf! In remembrance of the son that "left" him in 1872...?

Jan Peter

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Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 15/07/2008 02:17:57
Message:

I have not seen a bygdebok from that area (Strømsgodset/Drammen), so I'm not sure if there exist one.

There is no age given for Kristofer Olsen Solberg in the birthrecord of Oluf in 1870, so we can not be 100% sure that it is the same man who later married Emilie Weberg.

But sponsor Olava Olsdatter Solberg could be the link. If she is his sister, and from Solberg farm in Eiker, Buskerud, their parents should be Ole Kristoffersen & Berte Johnsdatter.

Kristofer Olsen Solberg, born 26 MAR 1845, in Haug in Eiker, Buskerud (parents Ole Kristoffersen & Berte Johnsdatter) is the one who married Emilie Weberg.
Maren Olsdatter Solberg (probably Kristofer's sister born 14 JAN 1838) is one of the sponsors at Hanna Marie's christening.

Jan Peter

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 15/07/2008 03:16:41
Message:

Christofer Olsen Soelberg (27) from Eker & Hanna Emilie Veberg (23) from Røken.
Marriage 08 DEC 1872, Skoger, Buskerud
His father: farmer Ole Christofersen Grøsland
Her father: (...) Johan Veberg
Source information: Buskerud county, Skoger, Parish register (official) nr. 4 (1862-1872), Marriage records 1872, page 464-465, #16

Jan Peter

Reply author: joycelovell
Replied on: 15/07/2008 06:56:10
Message:

I realize this is out of left field and basically irrelevant to your search, but I appear to be related to Erik. My maternal great-grandparents were Thomas J. Barros and Christine Barros, of Alexandria, MN. And in response to your query, Mable was one of their daughters, my great-aunt.

Now. Anyone know anything about Christine, the "swedish woman"?

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 15/07/2008 17:23:56
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Originally posted by joycelovell

I realize this is out of left field and basically irrelevant to your search, but I appear to be related to Erik. My maternal great-grandparents were Thomas J. Barros and Christine Barros, of Alexandria, MN. And in response to your query, Mable was one of their daughters, my great-aunt.

Now. Anyone know anything about Christine, the "swedish woman"?

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Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 15/07/2008 17:32:18
Message:

quote:

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Originally posted by joycelovell

I realize this is out of left field and basically irrelevant to your search, but I appear to be related to Erik. My maternal great-grandparents were Thomas J. Barros and Christine Barros, of Alexandria, MN. And in response to your query, Mable was one of their daughters, my great-aunt.

Now. Anyone know anything about Christine, the "swedish woman"?

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Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 15/07/2008 17:40:25
Message:

quote:

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Originally posted by joycelovell

I realize this is out of left field and basically irrelevant to your search, but I appear to be related to Erik. My maternal great-grandparents were Thomas J. Barros and Christine Barros, of Alexandria, MN. And in response to your query, Mable was one of their daughters, my great-aunt.

Now. Anyone know anything about Christine, the "swedish woman"?

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Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 15/07/2008 17:48:57
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Hanna Emilias baptismal record is #43
she was born out of wedlock July 10 1849, the father being divorced husban Johan Hansen Veberg, butcher in Drammen, the mother Oline Hansdatter from the Bryhn farm in Røyken.
Hanna Emilie died of diabetes Nov 28 1900, see #5

Reply author: joycelovell
Replied on: 16/07/2008 22:29:27
Message:

Erik:

Thank you! This is great information, and, yes, I would like the biographical background of Christina's family. You are a whiz!

As for Mable, let me ask my mother what she remembers - this might be dicey, her memory is not great - but I remember her living alone in the Cities as a middle-aged/elderly woman. Great raspberry patch. I may have a picture somewhere. Actually, I have a family portrait of Thomas, Christina, and the clan. But let me get with mom. She may or may not remember her uncle, Thomas' brother. I have no memory of him.

Again, thanks!

Cheers,
Joyce

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 23/07/2008 18:22:12
Message:

[quote]Originally posted by jwiborg

One of the sponsors are Olava Olsdatter Solberg born Eker. Could she be a sister of Kristofer Olsen Solberg?

This could be Olava in census-1865, living on the Solberg farm in Eker, together with parents, two brothers and a sister.
Her parents are Ole Kristoffersen & Berte Johnsdatter.

Olava Olsdatter Solberg died in South Africa on 14 Dec 1890.


Jan Peter.

Do you see where Kristofer Olsen Solberg was living in 1865? Can he be located on any Census?

Also, I was thinking, how did Margit end up in Oppland? In our research, it was found that Margit's sister, Liv, ended up moving to Vang in Valdres. Is that close to where this Solberg farm is?

Best Regards,Erik.

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 23/07/2008 19:04:40
Message:

Hi,
this could be Kristofer Olsen Solberg in census-1865. He is listed as married though, but it could be wrong, because no wife is listed with the household. He is listed as farmer's hand.



Jan Peter

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 24/07/2008 03:12:28
Message:

quote:

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Originally posted by jwiborg

quote:

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Originally posted by Erik Carsten

Based upon what you now know, what parish would you look at in the Arki.....records for birth and baptism for Oluf?

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It's hard to tell where Oluf was born/christened. My guess would be Gol or Hemsedal, but I did look there without finding him.

It's a shame that the 1865-census for Gol/Hemsedal are lost, thus we don't know if Margaret was living there and married to a Christofer Solberg by then.
She could be this woman living in Eker, Buskerud, but she could also be living in Gol/Hemsedal by 1865.

To the right is a map of Buskerud county. The blue part shows the location in Norway. Gol/Hemsedal is way up in the mountains.



Jan Peter

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Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 24/07/2008 07:53:17
Message:

Hi Erik,

This may be Christopher in 1865 if all goes well with the pasting:

http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&a=b&filnamn=f60218a


and here is another go---

http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=8&filnamn=f60218a&gardpostnr=356&personpostnr=3572&merk=3572#ovre

Just in case this doesn't fix. There is a Christofer Ols.Solberg in Vestre Aker at the Gaustad Asyl. He is aged 21, tjenstedreng born in Eker and has "sindsyge".

If she was new to the parish the pastor may have assumed that Margaret was born in Eker since she had said she'd just come from there. It might be interesting to know where the son Tor was confirmed, if it was in Norway.(Okay thanks for info!) And Margaret reported on herself this time--with the first child it was her brother-in-law who ratted on her. But she may have been having a "convenience of memory" as it says the child is both their first indiscretion. Another thing about this entry is that the binding is so tight a couple critical words are missing in the shadows. For instance half of the first name of the first sponsor listed as well as the verb "fodt" which makes Eker her birthplace could easily say "[fra] Eker now on (it almost looks like to me) Opperud" rather than Oppland.

This finding of the baptism of Oluf is quite exhilarating! How did he accomplish this? Good old hard work gumshoe method or just a hunch?

Hilsen,
Jackie M.

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 24/07/2008 08:24:05
Message:

quote:

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Originally posted by Erik Carsten

quote:

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Originally posted by jkmarler

Hi Erik,

This may be Christopher in 1865 if all goes well with the pasting:

http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&a=b&filnamn=f60218a

If she was new to the parish the pastor may have assumed that Margaret was born in Eker since she had said she'd just come from there. It might be interesting to know where the son Tor was confirmed, if it was in Norway.

Hilsen,
Jackie M.

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Jackie. HI! the pasting did not come through I think. I couldn't see a Christoffer Solberg.....
p.s. Joel Thoresen from ELCA says hi. He was a big help. A good resource!
Best Regards,
Erik

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Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 24/07/2008 10:49:29
Message:

quote:

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Originally posted by Erik Carsten

Can we go back to this women you found some time ago? Is this farm near where the farm the Christoffer Olsen Solberg might have been born on in Eker?

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Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 24/07/2008 19:39:05
Message:

quote:

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Originally posted by jkmarler

Hi Erik,

This may be Christopher in 1865 if all goes well with the pasting:

http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&a=b&filnamn=f60218a


and here is another go---

http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=8&filnamn=f60218a&gardpostnr=356&personpostnr=3572&merk=3572#ovre

Just in case this doesn't fix. There is a Christofer Ols.Solberg in Vestre Aker at the Gaustad Asyl. He is aged 21, tjenstedreng born in Eker and has "sindsyge".

If she was new to the parish the pastor may have assumed that Margaret was born in Eker since she had said she'd just come from there. It might be interesting to know where the son Tor was confirmed, if it was in Norway.(Okay thanks for info!) And Margaret reported on herself this time--with the first child it was her brother-in-law who ratted on her. But she may have been having a "convenience of memory" as it says the child is both their first indiscretion. Another thing about this entry is that the binding is so tight a couple critical words are missing in the shadows. For instance half of the first name of the first sponsor listed as well as the verb "fodt" which makes Eker her birthplace could easily say "[fra] Eker now on (it almost looks like to me) Opperud" rather than Oppland.

This finding of the baptism of Oluf is quite exhilarating! How did he accomplish this? Good old hard work gumshoe method or just a hunch?

Hilsen,
Jackie M.

Hi Jackie. There is a pilot website for Familysearch.org that is absolutely incredible. The search engine is the best I've seen. that is how we found the record of Oluf's birth. It was pure luck though.

I have a question. Above you mention something about Margit's brother-in-law. What do you mean by this and how do you know this?


Thanks and best regards,

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Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 25/07/2008 02:24:05
Message:

Hi Erik,

Yes in the entry for the baptism of the half-brother Tor after Margit's name comes the statement about this being the first leiermal and I believe the next words are "reported by Ole Haelgeson Berg."

Am most curious about the familysearch.org search page. It looks as though they have redesigned the look of their home page. Was it the search engine listed on the home page your brother tried?

Jackie M.

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 25/07/2008 05:44:30
Message:

Jackie
yes it is on the main page now, bottom left hand corner. it wasn't there before and I don't know how long it will there but it's the best!
Erik.

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 27/07/2008 06:52:31
Message:

quote:

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Originally posted by jwiborg

Wow! Finally! Congratulations!

It reads:

Born 18-Apr-1870, chr 03-Jul-1870
Oluf
Illegitimate child
Parents: Bachelor, farmer's boy Kristofer Olsen Solberg b. Eker and girl Mari Mikkelsdatter Teigen (Eker, now in Oppland)
Sponsors: Halvord (?) Dølengen, Mari Dølengen, Gulbrand Haugereie, Knud Haugereie, Olava Olsdatter Solberg born Eker.
Their both 1st(?) illegitimate child
Source information: Oppland county, Jevnaker, Parish register (official) nr. 7 (1858-1876), Birth and baptism records 1870, page 66.

Jan Peter

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Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 27/07/2008 08:13:56
Message:

quote:

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Originally posted by jwiborg

quote:

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Originally posted by Erik Carsten

Can we go back to this women you found some time ago? Is this farm near where the farm the Christoffer Olsen Solberg might have been born on in Eker?

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The distance between Hoen and Solberg is about 2.5 miles (4 km).
Btw; both farms are located in Øvre Eiker, not in Nedre eiker as have been said earlier. Eiker was splitted in Øvre Eiker ("Upper Eiker) and Nedre Eiker ("Lower Eiker") on July 1st 1885 .







Jan Peter

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Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 27/07/2008 08:55:44
Message:

Jan Peter.

Here is a link to another child of Gulbrand Haugereie. I beleive Gulbrand was one of the witnesses to the birth of Oluf. I think we can read the name of one of the witnesses better on this one, and he is same witness to the birth of Oluf, his name is Edvard ?Dolengen?Possible Link to Oluf's Birth. 1870 #5 (Karen)

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 27/07/2008 13:04:23
Message:

Hi Erik,

Here's the Dølengen farm in 1865 (the only one found in that database is this one in Jevnaker.)

http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=2&filnamn=f60532&gardpostnr=67&merk=67#ovre

Jackie M.

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 27/07/2008 19:07:14
Message:

quote:

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Originally posted by jkmarler

Hi Erik,

Here's the Dølengen farm in 1865 (the only one found in that database is this one in Jevnaker.)

http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=2&filnamn=f60532&gardpostnr=67&merk=67#ovre

Jackie M.

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Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 27/07/2008 20:10:18
Message:

Jackie.

We now know that Oluf was born in Jevnaker, Oppland and we now know who his father is. He is Kristoffer Olsen Solberg. This was THEE major objective.

Jan Peter has suggested he is the Kristoffer Olsen Solberg born in Eker in 1845. But we are not 100% certain. He has suggested a link to a Olava Olsdatter Solberg living in Eker in 1865, who was listed as a sponsor to Oluf's birth.

Jan Peter is probably right. But that would mean he was 15 years younger than Margit. In 1870, when Oluf was born, he was 25 and Margit was 40.

AND......

according to Jan Peter, this same Kristoffer Olsen went on to marry and have several children and he lived a long life. According to our family history, the father of Oluf died about a year after his birth.

So far, our family history has been accurate and I have no reason to begin to doubt the family story, that the father of Oluf was a well known farmer in his community and he died soon after his birth. Did Margit lie? If so. Why?

Two of the witnesses to Oluf's birth were Gulbrand and Knut Haugeneie. I believe I have found this family.

Gulbrand was born in Eker, not far from where we believe Kristoffer's family was living on the Solberg farm, and where Margit was possibly living on the Hoen farm in the 1865 census.

Gulbrand and his wife had a daughter Karen in 1870....the same year Oluf was born...and one of the witnesses to her birth was this Edvard ?Dolengen?.

Edvard ?Dolengen? was also a witness to the birth of Oluf.

I would like to know Edvard's connection to either Margit of Kristoffer....and I am very interested to know why they went to Jevnaker....and why Margit and Kristoffer never married.

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 27/07/2008 21:44:51
Message:

Hi Erik,

Here are an Edvard and Marie Olsen in Jevnaker who were born in Eker--perhaps they were chums or cousins of Kristoffer???

http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=6&filnamn=f60532&gardpostnr=83&personpostnr=492&merk=492#ovre

http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=7&filnamn=f60532&gardpostnr=85&personpostnr=507&merk=507#ovre

or possibly a sister named Anne Marie #20 on right:

Source information: Buskerud county, Eiker, Parish register (official) nr. I 12 (1827-1832), Birth and baptism records 1832, page 26.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=1151&idx_id=1151&uid=ny&idx_side=-29
Permanent imagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20051109020801.jpg


Hilsen,
Jackie M.

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 28/07/2008 02:12:56
Message:

Hi,

Well here is one possiblity: there were two in the family with Christoffer as part of their name. Here is the info on Johan Christoffer Olsen b 18 Mar 1828, more Margaret's age..

Source information: Buskerud county, Eiker, Parish register (official) nr. I 12 (1827-1832), Birth and baptism records 1828, page 2.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=1151&idx_id=1151&uid=ny&idx_side=-4
Permanent imagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20051109020776.jpg

and his confirmation #2:

Source information: Buskerud county, Eiker, Parish register (official) nr. 13B (1840-1845), Confirmation records 1842, no page no.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=5547&idx_id=5547&uid=ny&idx_side=-23
Permanent imagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20060912080105.jpg



Hilsen,
Jackie M.

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 31/07/2008 22:32:49
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Originally posted by jkmarler

Hi Erik,

Here are an Edvard and Marie Olsen in Jevnaker who were born in Eker--perhaps they were chums or cousins of Kristoffer???

http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=6&filnamn=f60532&gardpostnr=83&personpostnr=492&merk=492#ovre

http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=7&filnamn=f60532&gardpostnr=85&personpostnr=507&merk=507#ovre

or possibly a sister named Anne Marie #20 on right:

Source information: Buskerud county, Eiker, Parish register (official) nr. I 12 (1827-1832), Birth and baptism records 1832, page 26.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=1151&idx_id=1151&uid=ny&idx_side=-29
Permanent imagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20051109020801.jpg


Hilsen,
Jackie M.

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Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 05/08/2008 07:55:45
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Originally posted by jkmarler

Hi Erik,

Here's the Dølengen farm in 1865 (the only one found in that database is this one in Jevnaker.)

http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=2&filnamn=f60532&gardpostnr=67&merk=67#ovre

Jackie M.

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Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 05/08/2008 10:04:23
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A little bit of info: Pgd means Præstejeld = Parish, Nordrehoug is a parish in Buskerud, in 1865 also written Nordrehov, today Norderhov, should not be understood as the name of a farm similar to Houg or Haug in the Eker ( or Eiker) parish

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 05/08/2008 10:40:02
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quote:

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Originally posted by eibache

A little bit of info: Pgd means Præstejeld = Parish, Nordrehoug is a parish in Buskerud, in 1865 also written Nordrehov, today Norderhov, should not be understood as the name of a farm similar to Houg or Haug in the Eker ( or Eiker) parish

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Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 05/08/2008 12:03:58
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Yes there is a Haug farm in Norderhov - one of more than 60 farms by the name Haug in Norway.
Petter Jensen and his wife Marthine Pettersdatter with their children Jens, Johan Petter, Martin and Petra were living there in 1865. The mother of Petter Jensen (or possibly his wife) Marthe Pedersdatter was also living with the family.

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 05/08/2008 13:48:47
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Hi Erik,

Yes, I think we find that our ancestors are much like we are, motivated by the same or similar things, feeling many of the same strains as well as triumphs in living.

I concur that the situation as you have outlined it, is entirely possible. Because of my research, I know of a number of these situations, in which a woman with an illegitimate child comes to America with a tale of a deceased husband rather than face disapproving society at home or in America. That there appears to be Solberg family connections in Jevnaker, the Edvard Olsen you have pointed out and perhaps the Marie Olsen ae 33 on the Hauger farm in Jevnaker are siblings of Oluf's father.

One area you can go about researching is finishing out the information on all the children of Ole Kristofferson and Berte Johnsdatter, since this family appears to be yours. I still wonder if Oluf's father, Christofer [or Christian] Solberg, is Johan Christofer Olsen Solberg or the younger Christofer Olsen Solberg. It might have been that Margit was too old for the young Christofer but not considered of the same "class" as the elder. Different filters to the same end. The Edvard and the Marie in Jevnaker may indeed be the siblings but without further research to substantiate or to eliminate, it is only [a likely]supposition. There are two ways to prove something--either direct proof of the facts or by proving that nothing else is possible. It's the old 'Sherlock Holmes' thing: Once you have removed the impossible, whatever's left, however improbable, is the truth.

On the other hand, the information showing that Margit left with Thor and Oluf is an extract of the passenger list for that particular voyage the purpose of the collection of which was to only collect those from Hallingdal. A husband seperated in the list from Margit or a future husband coming from somewhere else but on the same trip may not have been collected. How were their tickets paid for, in Norway or America? The family spent three years in Goodhue county before coming to Douglas--is there any evidence of a Mr. Solberg there?

Hilsen,
Jackie M.

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 13/08/2008 18:32:39
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Originally posted by jwiborg

Emigration on 07-JUL-1871

Marit Mikelsdatter, married(!), (41) from Goel, destination Milwauce
Tor Aslaksen (11)
Oluf Aslaksen (1/2)

Jan Peter
_______________________________________________

Dear Board Members:

Jan Peter had found that Margit and her two sons left Norway-Oslo- on board the HERO.

Using the Norwayheritage.com ships and lines section I was able to view the Corresponding Ships for this particular journey.

It looks like the Hero was a feeder ship to other ships leaving England for North America. But some of these corresponding ships left ports in England prior to the HERO even leaving Norway, so I am wondering how they could have connected to these other ships?

Am I not understanding how to read the corresponding ships page, and how best to narrow down the list of ships to search for passenger lists?

Best Regards to all,

Erik.

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Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 13/08/2008 19:10:51
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The list of corresponding ships for the S/S Hero (2) journey 1871-07-07 Christiania - Christiansand - Hull should be used as a guideline for possible ships to cross the Atlantic.

The July 7th departure from Christiania/Christiansand could not have arrived in Hull, England earlier than July 8th or 9th. From Hull, they most likely took the train to Liverpool. That means they could not have boarded the cross-atlantic steamer earlier than July 10th (approx).

They possibly crossed on one of these 4 ships:

S/S Calabria, Cunard Line, dep Liverpool 1871-07-11, arr New York 1871-07-23
S/S Colorado, Guion Line, dep Liverpool, arr New York 1871-07-23
S/S Moravian, Allan Line, dep Liverpool 1871-07-13, arr Quebec 1871-07-24
S/S City of Washington, Inman Line, dep Liverpool, arr New York 1871-07-25

My guess is S/S Calabria or S/S Colorado...

Jan Peter

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 13/08/2008 19:25:06
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Jan Peter,

thank you. Do you know of a website where we can obtain passenger lists for ships arriving in New York?

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 13/08/2008 19:28:30
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Marit Michlsdotter born 1830 is registered as arrived in New York on S/S Calabria on July 24th, 1871.

Travelling with her:
Oslacheli Michlsdotter, born 1860 (= Tor Aslaksen)
Olaf Michlsdotter, born 1870 (= Oluf Aslaksen)

Jan Peter

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 13/08/2008 19:53:16
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o.k. Thanks for that.!

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 15/08/2008 03:04:40
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Originally posted by Holly

I looked at every male, born Norway, age between 41 & 50 in both of those counties & couldn't find him. I even looked for every male between 51 & 60.

If you have his neighbors from the 1860 or 1880 census, you might want to try to find them to see if there is an empty dwelling next to them. If no one was home when the census taker came to visit, they'd sometimes ask neighbors about who was living in the "empty" home, but they sometimes just listed the dwelling as empty.

By the way, you were wondering about "Thomson". My Torje Tjøstolvsen / Kjøstolvsen became Tora or Thomas Thompson & all of his sons ended up with that surname as well.

I wanted to ask you & maybe you don't know, were your people connected to any of the "Holden" churchex?
Holden in Goodhue County, MN

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Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 15/08/2008 03:30:28
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quote:

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Originally posted by Holly

Erik, your family seems to kind of nibble around the edges of one branch of my family. I've gone through this whole lengthy thead & have yet to find any direct connection. My eastern branch lived on the border of Aust Adger & Telemark. They emigrated at the end of 1853 or early 1854 & settled in Waushara County, Wisconsin. They were members of the Holt Church in Mount Morris, which is one that does have a connection with the Holden churches.

Part of the problem may be my reliance on the research of a distant cousin. I don't know if the people that I have from "Solberg" are from the same Solberg as yours. Most of the information that I have is from the Holt Parish, but I have people in several other parishes in the region. Some from "Vestre Solberg" were in the Vegaarshei Parish (I've no idea if that is even the parish your people were from).

Looking at a list of all of the parishes in AA in 1801, many of them look familiar to me & I haven't done any serious work on that branch of my family for about 5 years. A few of the parishes in Telemark also ring some bells. I have about 5000 people in my DB from that region. You just keep talking & I'll just continue to search my DB to see if I can find that thread that links your people to mine.

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Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 22/08/2008 02:26:53
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Record of Kari Berg's Birth #128

Can anybody read the name of the last sponsor? Is it Hans Dol...??

Also, what is the significance of the column just to the right of the sponsors? There is some writing in it. I can make out Brandvold but don't know what is written above or meaning?

This shows Kari Berg's birth July 6, 1834. Her parents were Mikkel Olsen Fauske and Birgit Halvorsdatter:

I believe I have identified the sponsors as follows:

Barbro and Mikkel Grondalen. Barbro was Birgit's (kari's mother) sister and Mikkel was Barbro's husband.
Torsten and Halvor Fauske were MIkkel Olsen Fauske's (Kari's father) brothers.

Who is the last sponsor named I wonder?

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 22/08/2008 03:58:38
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Hi Erik,

The last sponsor name is Knut Hans--sorry-- Dølehuso and the other column contains the name of Gunvord Brandvold who performed the "home" baptism of Kari.

Jackie

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 23/08/2008 23:25:12
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Hi Jackie

I just spent the morning at the Libray looking over the microfilm that Holden Lutheran Church sent me and I could find no more traces of my family at this church. They must have moved to another church in the area.

I came across these sections in the bood. Do you know what Jordfastede, Menighedstemmer, Agteviede mean?

I did learn that one of the sponsors of Caroline Berg's baptism was Knut Finseth, he was one of the early, if not one of the first, pioneer in Goodhue County.

Best Regards,
ERik

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 24/08/2008 01:04:33
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Hi Erik,

Jordfaestede is funerals.

Menighetstemner is congregation membership list.

Aegteviede is marriages.

Lots of Hallings in the Holden church area! Is this microfilm from the Holden church itself or from the ELCA archives?

Jackie M.

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 24/08/2008 02:03:27
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Jackie:

The microfilm is from the Church itself. They grouped the membership list by region. Yes there were alot of Hallings. But most were from Vang, it seems. Joel T. from ELCA seems to think that either Holden or Emmanuel Lutheran Church would be where my relatives would have attended while in Goodhue County.
I also have a researcher in Goodhue County looking through the Agriculurual Census from 1870. This might give us a better idea where they lived....and thus where they worshiped.
Best Regards,
Erik.

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 24/08/2008 02:08:41
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Jackie. YOu know something remarkable is happening throughout all this research. In the beginning, I considered my Norwegian....which I am....but now more recently I have been considering that I am a Halling...which for some reason seems to me to be bigger than what I thought I was before! Wierd but true.
Erik.

Reply author: Hopkins
Replied on: 24/08/2008 03:45:21
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The instructions written to help with the church records of Norway will help with those American records using Norwegian formats too.

Good information about translating the formats of Norwegian parish church records during various time periods, many of the basic terms used and understanding how to use the information should be studied at this web site -
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~norway/na20.html

Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 24/08/2008 06:38:56
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quote:

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Barbro and Mikkel Grondalen. Barbro was Birgit sister and Mikkel was Barbro's husband.
Torsten and Halvor Fauske were MIkkel Olsen Fauske's brothers.

Who is the last sponsor named I wonder?

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Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 24/08/2008 20:26:05
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Hi Erik & Eibache,

Yes the correct interpretation of the spelling of the farm names mentioned in the record are as Eibache has them. However, Dølehuso is the name given to that farm in the Hemsedals Slekthistorie book and Fuske has been Fauske & Fausko, ad infinitem on the various variations of spelling on it. Languages are in a constant state of flux (except, linguists say Icelandic which a Viking from age 1000 A.D. would still understand as spoken today!) It is always preferred to copy records as you see them recorded until or unless you have no possibility of the information being incorrect--an absolute hard to attain!

Dølahuso has apparently been unoccupied since about 1851, when the last occupants came to America, farmed in conjunction with other farms but no human occupation. No buildings are left and it is only a clearing today.

If you want to see Fausko and its environs here is a web address. I visited there in 2000 on the Hallinglag's tour, quite an interesting place, ate my first (and only) reindeer and moltebaer there.

www.fausko.no

Hilsen,
Jackie M.

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 25/08/2008 00:03:49
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If I remember right Hoen in Eiker was mentioned in this topic.
I passed Hoen today by car, it looked like a well kept farm.

In 1843 a tenant farmer, in a bog on Hoen land, found the largest treasure of gold ever found in Scandinavia called Hoenskatten consisting 20 gold coins, 125 pearls and 51 pieces of gold jewlery from the early viking age.

The finder was paid half of the value and baught himself a farm.

Down page its a photo of a Silo, left from the silo is Hoen

You are right about the Islandic language, they have no problems to read from the old Sagas, but in oral pronunciation they wold have problems to understand even the 1200 language.
I think most Norwegians can read from an Islandic newspaper and understand the main contence of it, but the Islandic verbal pronunciation is very difficult for us to understand.

Dølahuso (Dølehuset) is a local pronunciation in Hemsdal for Dølehuus in Einars reply to this topic.
Døl is coming from Dal -Valley and huso/huus/hus means house

Kåre

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 25/08/2008 19:24:29
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Hi Kåart.

Thank you for that. It is very interesting. Yes, you are correct. The subject of this now very long thread, Margit Mikkelsdatter Fauske perhaps lived at Hoen as indicated by 1865 Cenus. We are not sure, however.

best regards,
Erik

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 25/08/2008 19:30:59
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Jackie. That is a great link to Fausko. Do I understand correctly that this the subject of this post was born on is THEE farm that they talk about on the website. Is it now a ski resort?

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 25/08/2008 21:28:25
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Going back to the picture I provided back in February (Page 7)...



Fausko is Fauske on the map, but I believe Margaret Mikkelsdatter was born on Fauske-Teigen, which should be the farm noted as Teigen.

Fausko in Hemsedal is a mountain farm with long traditions within farming and tourism. Between 1870-1910 there was a coach office there.
For mail and public transport between West (=Bergen) and East (=Kristiania/Oslo) Norway, there was a change of horses and wagon at Fausko, often in combination with accommodation.

The old coach office was renovated in the 1990s, and can again offer accommodation. (It's not a hotel, but more like an adventure centre.)
Fausko Skysstasjon recently won an innovation award for their achievements in creating a "different" meeting place, in harmony with nature and cultural heritage.

Jan Peter

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 26/08/2008 03:24:15
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[Birth of Birgit Berg #14 and above Arne Berg #13

Eibache, and anybody else who can try. I am looking at the sponsors for Birgit's baptism, but also for the child above her. It looks to be Arne.

Am I reading this correctly:

Arne
Parents= Arne Helgesen Berg and Sunnev Knutsdatter
Sponsors= Mikkel Olsen Fauske, Margit Evensdatter _??___(a symbol?, Ole O. ___?___(the same symbol), Margit Mikkelsdatter, and the last couple I cannot read. Last name might be Hovde?

Birgit
Parents= Helge Helgesen Berg and Kari Mikkelsdatter Fauske
Then it looks as if somebody reported that this was illigitemate birth because Helge and Kari were not yet married....
sponsors= Arne Helgesen Berg, Kari Helgesdatter, Jacob Thorsen Bakken, Guri MIkkelsdatter Grøndalen and Diis O. Dekko?

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 26/08/2008 04:33:41
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Hi Erik,

The symbol is actually an abbreviation of the word "ditto" which is Italian with a Latin root meaning the same. So following in the order given the two with do were also on Fauske. The Last name is not too clear to me the former is Margit Mikkelsdatter Berg.
You have identified the baby name as "Arne" but it may also be "Anne" look at #16 below. It appears more like that Anne than the Arne of the father's name. Just keep it in mind until you find a record with more clearly defined letters and / or patronymic name.

The other child is illegitimate (uagte) and also the parents' "titles" are U.K. meaning ungkarl unmarried man and P. meaning Piga, unmarried woman. It says that this is each parents' first "indiscretion" (leiermål) and the information was reported by Tollef ________, I'm not sure of his last.

Jackie M.

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 26/08/2008 05:13:10
Message:

Hi Erik,

Fausko today is farmed organic, chemical free, and following old Norwegian practices which have all but disappeared in many places. For instance when the owner wants to clear more land, he turns the goats into it to eat everything down to earth, so that he may plow! His philosophy is that the old practices fitted the land in Norway better than the high-horsepower, chemical laden modern agriculture.

The owner and his father took the Hallinglag group up into the other stabbur I think called Arestugu on the place and played hardanger fiddle for us in the dimly lit space. That was quite moving.

I will look more closely at the history of Fausko and Teigen in the Hemsedal Slekthistorie book to see how intertwined their history might be. Perhaps Teigen was known as Fausketeigen just because it was the teig by Fausko or maybe it was part of Fausko. It would be interesting to know. They are very close--certainly within very short walking distance. You can see the ski slopes just across the road from Fausko. Hemsedal has something like 500,000 skiers a year visit! Big business.

Hilsen,
Jackie M.

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 26/08/2008 14:20:45
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You sems to know a lot about the Hallingdal area Jackie and even use the local dialect for Stugu (Stue). Most Norwegians don´t know what a Arestugu/Årestue is.

Log cabins has beeen build in Norway since about 1000 ac, and the name Årestugu is coming from Aare/Åre which means a fireplace placed in the centre of the house.
From about 1600 they started to build a chimney connected to an open fireplace.
Arestugu has no windows and low openings along the floor to get enough draft so the smoke could rise to the open hole in the roof.
Here is a drawing of a Arestugu for a better understanding of how the two fireplaces looked.

A perfect place for listening to the Hardanger fiddle

Kåre

Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 26/08/2008 16:54:18
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quote:

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Am I reading this correctly:

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Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 26/08/2008 19:45:24
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...............[

Birgit uægte (out of wedlock) Ugk. (Ungkarl = bachelor) Helge Helgesen Berg og P. (Pige = Maiden) Kari Mikkelsd Fausko. B (Begge = both) 1st (first) Leiermaal (indiscretion) Angivet af (reported by) Tollef (cannot interpret the farm name - looks like Stalaholstad.)
Arne Helgesen Berg, Kari Helgesd, Jacob Thorsen BakkoPlease view marriage #8 and then compare to godparents listed for Birgit ..., Guri MIkkelsd Grøndalen og Diis O. Dekko.
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It seems to me that Kari Helgesdatter married Erik Jacobsen Bakke yet they have the name Jacob Thorsen Bakko instead. Could it be that Kari's father was listed as a godparent and not her husband Erik? Yet if I read this correctly Erik's father is Jacob Olsen Bakke?

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 26/08/2008 19:54:29
Message:

1856 #3 Kari and Ole H. Berg Wedding


....This Erik Jacobsen is important to the family because he is also listed as I guess.....best man ofr Kari Mikkelsdatter Fauske?

The link that Hopkins sent me to the Follesdal site about Kirkebøker ..although helpful and interesting....was not helpful in translating the format or columns of this particular church register.

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 27/08/2008 17:56:14
Message:

Hi Erik,

Here is what the Hemsedal Slekthistorie says about Fausko:

Fausko
Gnr 82, bnr 1, lnr555 og 556.
Pa Fausko

“Før var det två Fauske-gardar, no ein,
dessutan dei fråselde bruka: Bekkjivøllen,
(ogsa kalla Kaparslette), Bekkjistad, Moen,
Teigen og dertil fleire nyare bustader (sjå
Matrikkelnr. under 82.)”

Roughly it says there were two Fauske farms (nordre and søre) and now there is one and these four farms were split or seperated from Fauske. Unless I miss some meaning here it doesn't say directly that the four farms are only from nordre but the north and south Fausko were eventually owned by the same person (Ingvar Venasen) who is the ancestor of the people who now own the skysstation and their story is recorded under the section about søre Fausko, so you could draw that conclusion. Your family is found in the story about nordre Fausko:

Nørdre Fausko

….. “ Margit og Ola styrde på
Fausko og hadde: …. Mekkel 1796 bonde
På Fausko og i Fausketeigji, …….

Mekkel fekk garden g 1829 m Birgit
Halvorsdtr Løkji f 1801; Margit 1830
med son Tor Aslakson 1856 rtA, Ola 1833 d.,
Kari 1834 g 1856 m Ola Helgeson Berg rtA,
Birgit 1837-44-7, Liv 1840 gm Ola Trondson
Brandvøl, bonde på Tubben rtA.

Mekkel og Birgit selde Fausko til Ola
Jakobson Huso, Husen dei kalla, 1805-83-78.
Mekkel tenkte på å reise til Amerika,
men fekk ikkje plent hug på det heller.
Budde som tilhaldar i Berg ei tid og kom
So åt Fausketeigji.

Roughly, what this says is that your ancestor Mikkel Olson was the farmer at Fausko, he got the farm, was married to Birgit Halvorsdatter in 1829 and it lists their children and their spouses and what happened to them. I excised some copy about Mikkel's siblings. Further it says Mikkel and Birgit sold Fausko to Ola Jakobson Huso but gives no date of the sale. However further in the text of the story it says the Ola Jacobson was on Fausko at the time of his father's and wife's deaths in 1855 & 1856. Mikkel was thinking about going to America but must have decided against it, hung out for a while at Berg and then came to Fausketeigen. I don't know what it means to be 'on Fausko and in Fausketeigen.'

Also the child whose birth / baptism you asked about and interpreted as Arne is listed in the Hemsedal slekthistorie as Anne. That family, at least Sunnev and the kids, came to America in 1866, probably before Arne/Anne was confirmed, so the only likely record to check the gender of the child in Norway will be the out migrating record. Further looking in the U.S. census might also settle the question.


Hilsen,
Jackie M.

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 28/08/2008 03:22:20
Message:

Jackie, yes you are correct. It is Ann. I see the family leaving the Parish in 1866, in the same group as Ole Helgesen and Kari Berg and her family. Ann is 10 at this time, which would make her year of bir 1856...which is the year of births for both Birgit and her first cousine, Anne.

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 28/08/2008 05:33:42
Message:

Hi Erik,

Re your question about Jacob Thorson Bakko a while back. Yes only half of a married couple could be sponsors, although more usually both were named. The whomever is at the discretion of the parents, I guess.

Jacob Thorson Bakko was born 1834 and was the son of Thor Jacobson sore Fausko & Kristi Knutsdatter Berg.

There may be a "typo" in the section on nedre Bakko in the Hemsedal slekthistorie book wherein it says Tore [Jacobson Fausko] sold nedre Bakko to his brother Eirik who was born in 1800. In the sor Fausko section on this family the Eirik who was born in 1800 is also listed as having died in 1802 and the Eirik who married Kari Helgesdatter Berg is listed as having been born in 1807. Something has to give!

The family trees in Hallingdal are often very tangled and it is often found that you are your own cousin!

Hilsen,
Jackie M.

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 06/09/2008 03:29:17
Message:

Hi Everybody. I think this child of Birgit and Mikkel died young....can anybody translate what it says?

[Ole #104

Thank you!

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 06/09/2008 05:13:24
Message:

Hi Erik,

Yes it appears that young Ole died young. I think in the spot where the sponsors (fadernes) names usually are the entry says instead, "died before baptism confirmed" Perhaps someone with a better understanding of the language should read also and rule!

Helsing,
Jackie M.

Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 06/09/2008 07:01:59
Message:

The note says "Død uden Daapsconfirmation" - died without confirmation of baptism.
the death record is #158
born May 18, died May 21 (3 days old), burried May 23.

Reply author: Doug Rash
Replied on: 08/09/2008 18:29:35
Message:

I am a Brandvold decendent and have recently traced family in Saskatchewan. My mother was a Brandvold who moved to Saskatchewan from Minnesota around 1905 with her parents and 11 other siblings. I would like to share this information with other Brandvolds as well as find more of my famiy.

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 09/09/2008 01:05:42
Message:

Hi Doug.

Where in Minnesota did your family come from?

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 09/09/2008 02:33:49
Message:

Hi,

Does your line go to the Liv & Ole Throndson Brandvold family or some other?

Jackie M.

Reply author: Doug Rash
Replied on: 11/09/2008 19:50:49
Message:

The only information I have is what I found in Saskatchewan. It shows a picture of my great grandmother and great grandfather, Carl and Lillian Brandvold . They did had 12 children my grandmother Caroline being one of them. They moved up from Minnisota around 1950. Some of the decedants of Carl and Lillian live in Saskatchewan and British Columbia. I was just hoping someone may recognize their names or know more.

Reply author: Doug Rash
Replied on: 11/09/2008 20:46:29
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After reading a little slower I found I'd given information on one of their children.
My Great grandfather was Erland Brandvold who married Kari Hogesteun. They came from Norway to Minnesota and had 12 children who were all born in the US. They all moved to Asquith Saskatchewan in 1905. Erland died in 1933 and Kari in 1937.

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 11/09/2008 21:25:30
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Census-1900 for Blue Mounds Township, Pope, Minnesota:
S P Brandvold 42 (Erland Paulsen Brandvold, 1857-1933)
Kori Brandvold 38 (Kari Olsdatter Hagestuen, 1862-1937)
Clara Brandvold 17
Petter Brandvold 15
Martin Brandvold 13
Mima Brandvold 11
Edwin Brandvold 10
Carl Brandvold 8
Caroline Brandvold 6
Henry Brandvold 2
Alvin Brandvold 1
Selma Brandvold 1

Erland Paulsen Brandvold
Birth: 1 Dec 1857, Nord Fron, Oppland
Death: 19 Dec 1933, Asquith, Sask
Parents: Paul Erlandsen Brandvold & Kari Iversdatter

Kari Olsdatter Hagestuen
Birth: 1862, Nord Fron, Oppland
Death: 10 Aug 1937, Asquith, Sask
Parents: Ole Johannesen Hestelokken & Mari Christophersdtr Brenden
Marriage: 1880, Starbuck, Pope, Minnesota

Erland Paulsen (21) emigrated to Benson, Swift, Minnesota on June 13th, 1879.

Kari Hogestuer can be found with parents and 5 siblings in the 1880 census for Blue Mounds, Pope, Minnesota.

Jan Peter

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 12/09/2008 01:04:41
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Hi,

These are some of the younger children in the family from Minnesota birth index online at www.mnhs.org:

Brandvold, Alice
Date of Birth: 01 Jul 1904
Mother Maiden Name: Haquestin
certid# 1904-21165
County of Birth: Pope

Brandvold, Mabel
Date of Birth: 08 Feb 1902
Mother Maiden Name: Hagestuen
certid# 1902-20051
County of Birth: Pope

Good Luck

Jackie M.

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 16/09/2008 01:14:35
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Hi Jan Peter and Jan,

We have been studying and learning about the Fauske family for some time now. We know that my relatives farmed the North Fauske farm and they moved to the Teigen farm.

In the bydgebok they called it the fausketeigji. Can somebody explain to me why it is called this? I thought Fauske and Teigen were two separate farms?

Thank you.

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 16/09/2008 15:47:45
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Hi Erik,

The simple explanation is that farms in Norway have history ( a pedigree of sorts ) too. The Hemsedal slekthistorie said there were, once upon a time, two Fausko farms and now there is one. Parts of farms can be sold or traded for other parts of other farms or completely seperated (skilt, skylte fra -- same word as divorced!)into seperate places and new names given to them or not. So some farms are consolidated from other farms--sort of like the "wing of one, the leg of another" etc. combined to make a whole. My Norsk-Engelsk dictionary says teig is a strip of land, so teigen would be the strip of land, and fausketeigi may mean the strip of land at Fauske. These descriptive names are usually well understood by the local folks.

Hope this helps...

Jackie M.

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 18/09/2008 20:16:41
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Originally posted by Erik Carsten

Hi Jan Peter and Jan,
In the bydgebok they called it the fausketeigji. Can somebody explain to me why it is called this? I thought Fauske and Teigen were two separate farms?

Thank you.

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Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 19/09/2008 20:08:46
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Originally posted by jkmarler

Hi Erik,

Yes in the entry for the baptism of the half-brother Tor after Margit's name comes the statement about this being the first leiermal and I believe the next words are "reported by Ole Haelgeson Berg."

Am most curious about the familysearch.org search page. It looks as though they have redesigned the look of their home page. Was it the search engine listed on the home page your brother tried?

Jackie M.

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Hi Jackie, going back to an old post....what is the significance of the person "reporting" on another individual about an illigitimate child?
In Thor Aslaksen's case it was Ole Helgesen Berg, but also listed in the sponsors was Ole's brother, Arne and his wife.

This would seem to me to mean that the families were close to each other....... ?

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Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 20/09/2008 04:25:23
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Hi Erik,

In most of the cases I've seen, the mother of the child "reports" the information. The reasons why a family member, in this case, an in-law would do, I don't really know.

Perhaps it is a situation similar to the "Ole" story in which he goes to his pastor and confesses that he has been sleeping with a married woman, not his wife. The pastor strives mightily to get Ole to tell the name of the woman so that she might be saved also. Ole resists the pastor, not wanting to get the woman in trouble. Finally the pastor thinks to outsmart Ole and resorts to guessing who the offender is. "Is she Mrs. Johnson?" "No" says Ole. "Is it Mrs. Larson?" "Noooo" says Ole. "Then surely it's Mrs. Swenson." "Nooooooo", Ole says. Finally, the pastor exasperated beyond measure tells Ole that he is to be punished, and is "banned" from the church for a year. As Ole leaves the church he runs into Sven. "So how did it go, then?" Sven asks. Ole says, "Well, I think. I don't have to go to church for a year and I have three new prospects!"

Pastors were also "agents" of the law, bookeepers of infractions, and so were keeping this kind of information. I suppose it might be useful to the social service agency to help keep the number of people who might need help to a minimum.

There was one woman in Hol --said to be the "most beautiful" who was the mother of 6 illegitimate children. After her last, when she was in her 40s, she was sentenced to time at Akershus. And conversely, but not symmetrically, there was a man in Hol who fathered 9 illegitimate children who did no prison time. But there must have been something uncomfortable about having an illegitimate child, even for a man, I've heard of many a man who took off for America to avoid unpleasantness when his paternity was about to be named.

Perhaps there is a sociologist which expertise in this question on the forum? Anyone???

Hilsen,
Jackie M.

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 20/09/2008 06:49:32
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That was interesting. I guess I am asking because you used the word "ratting" for the person who reported on the mother. But it would be pretty obvious to everyone what was going on.

I just found out that one of Margit's nieces had a child in Minnesota back in 1893. At the baptism she was the only parent listed. It was sad to see....and the Priest even seemed to leave a blank spot to fill in the father's name should he ever had taken responsibility.

It struck me that I don't think I've ever seen a birth in the Norwegian Parish Records where there was only one parent listed. There was always the father and the mother....even if they weren't married.

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 20/09/2008 09:39:31
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Hi Erik,

Well, there are regional and cultural and chronological differences. In a wee small parish in Switzerland where my ancesters were from from 1694 to 1870, there was only one "illegitimate" birth and the pastor made such a stink, writing in BIG letters "Vater Unbeknownst", the Norwegian norm is much more laid-back, everyone knows who the father is, don't get your knickers in a twist about it. But that usually extended to America for a generation or two as well. I know of a couple of cases from 1910 or so where the records reflect the classical Norwegian treatment. Perhaps Mom didn't want the father's name known for her own reasons or it was a criminal matter?

Hilsen,
Jackie M.

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 22/09/2008 18:06:29
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Hi Jan Peter.

Can you locate a Iver Halvorsen immigrating to America? He was born in 1829 and according to Census information he immigrated in 1866. It could not be later than that but it could be earlier. I show that he married in Goodhue County, MN in 1866 to Sunnev Knutsdatter.

I have a copy of his marriage record here in the United States and it says GOEL, next to his name.

Which leads me to another question. His wife, Sunnev Knutsdatter was listed to be from GOL. I know she is from Hemsedal.

Is there a difference between GOEL and GOL?

Happy 1st day Autumn.

Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 23/09/2008 10:07:17
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Iver Halvorsen was born Nov 21 1829 and baptized Jan 10 1830. His parents were Halvor Bjørnsen and Birgit Guttormsdatter, Brænd, see #16
He left Gol on April 13 1866, see #57
Goel = Gol, depending on the writers choice based on pronunciation. (Another and similar difference may be for the name John: Joen = Jon)

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 23/09/2008 14:18:30
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Hi Erik,

Hemsedal was an "annex" or subparish to Gol for part of the 1800s. So records for Hemsedal during that period are found with Gol's records. Records prior for both Gol and Hemsedal are found under Nes Hallingdal along with Flaa. They had the same pastor. So depending on when a person left, they may have considered themselves from both places and were correct in thinking.

Hilsen,
Jackie M.

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 23/09/2008 17:57:37
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Eibache, can you double check the link for the birth date? I think it is not the one you intended.

I have looked for Iver Halvorsen Brend on the ships list but was not able to see him. I am wondering if he sailed on the Gustave Adolphe?

That might help explain his sudden marriage to Sunnev Knutsdatte Berg on August 12 of 1866 in Goodhue County.

Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 23/09/2008 20:21:43
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Sorry I did not check the link, it is now corrected.
Finding Iver on a ships list has not been a success.

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 23/09/2008 23:28:34
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What does it say here?
It's from a record of the Montreal, Quebec arrival of Gustav Adolphe on June 16th, 1866.



Jan Peter

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 23/09/2008 23:59:06
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It looks to be him here, transcribed as Jek Mathiasen Braend, age 35......?#4706

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 24/09/2008 00:06:58
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I think you're right about Mathiasen... then I'm not sure if it's him.
I thought for a while that it said Halvorsen Brand...

Jan Peter

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 25/09/2008 01:24:17
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...the age fits pretty close. It must be him.

Could you look at this #46 #46and can you tell me the name that is written. Is it Gudliek? Have you seen this name before and do you know where it comes from?

Also the Farm Name of the mother...I have seen it as Hovde and it looks like here it is Hovdae? Why are the spellings different?

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 25/09/2008 01:40:34
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Can anyone see the Berg Family in the Hemsedal Bydgebok? How many of the children besides Ole Berg immigrated to America?

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 25/09/2008 03:41:19
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Hi Erik,

The ones mentioned in the Hemsedals slekthistorie page 367 are:

Eivind Helgeson b. 1816 together with his wife
Eivind's twin Kari Helgesdatter together with her husband Erik Bakke
Ola Helgeson and his wife Kari Mekkelsdatter

Your link on #46 didn't work for me. Høvda is the name of two places in Hemsedal, one under Grøndale and the other under Torset. Høvdae probably dialectical rendition.

Hope this helps.

Jackie M.

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 02/10/2008 01:32:05
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Hi Jackie, I have been mixing up my links. Can you make out the wife's name here, and also the farm name?#1, 1851

Thank you.

Erik.

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 02/10/2008 03:41:40
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Hi Erik,

#1 in 1851 looks to me to be: ungkarl Even Helgeson Berg son of H. Helgeson and piga Anne Torgersdatter Haugen daughter of T. Thomassen.

Have you seen the new book The History of Urness Township: 135 Years of Rural Community Life (Douglas County, Minnesota) by Suzanne Nelson & others ? Verrrry interesting.

Jackie M.

Reply author: Doug Rash
Replied on: 02/10/2008 15:06:32
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Thank you Jan Peter as you have given me the names of my great great grand parents. It was amazing fo find my greatgrand parents but this takes it to a new level. Thank you very much.

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 02/10/2008 16:44:06
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Originally posted by Doug Rash

Thank you Jan Peter as you have given me the names of my great great grand parents. It was amazing to find my greatgrand parents but this takes it to a new level. Thank you very much.

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Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 02/10/2008 17:52:57
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Hi Jackie, Yes I have heard of that book. In fact I have been corresponding with a distant relative of mine that contributed to that book!

I have been learning that I have many relatives in Urness Township and Douglas County.

A new fact has been presented to me by my distant relative. The subject of this thread, Margit, had an uncle named Torstein, who had a daughter named Anne Torsteinsdatter Vollo. She married Helge, a son of Arne Helgesen Berg and Sunnev Knutsdatter. Arne was a brother to Ole H. Berg who married Margit's sister, Kari Mikkelsdatter Fauske.

I am about going crazy trying to keep all the relationships in order. You were right, the Hemsedal family trees and tangled!

The reason I asked you to look at the last link is according to some information from another distant relative, Even (Eivind) married Anne Krokji....but according to the link her farm name was Haugen.

Do you see anything to show if they moved farms?

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 02/10/2008 19:44:32
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Not sure if Larry Hill's Genealogy Site have been mentioned here before...?

Eivind Berg & Anne Krokji are mentioned under #24 Helge Helgesen Berg (1786-1864) & his wife Ambjorg Eivindsdtr Hovdae (1788-1871).

Krokji could be dialect for "Kroken", is there a farm called that in the area?

Jan Peter

Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 02/10/2008 19:52:41
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Hi Jan Peter, yes I had mentionned it and I have been corresponding with him a little bit, trying to help him fill in the gaps on the Fauske-Teigen family.... he has done alot of work and it was done in the days before the internet I believe.

Larry's work is the source I was using for Krokji......but I'm not sure where he got that name.......I don't know if there is a Kroken farm in Hemsedal.

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 02/10/2008 20:55:59
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The headland in the upper left corner (marked with a red dot on the map below) is called Kroken.
In Norwegian, "Kroken" can be translated into "The bend". Notice the bend of the river Hemsil at that point.
This area is only 600 meters from the Fauske-Teigen farm.

I would assume that the Krokji farm was located on this headland.

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Jan Peter

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 03/10/2008 00:15:54
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A close-up of the Kroken area, with the river bending around:



Jan Peter

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 05/10/2008 01:04:00
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Hi Erik,

The question about Kroken / Krokji is partly answered in the Hemsedalslekt book as it is a "nedlagt bruk under Vøllo." The most recent family on or residents of Kroken are from the late 1700s. I think nedlagt means vacated or vacant.

Jackie M.

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 05/10/2008 01:09:24
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Originally posted by jkmarler

Hi Erik,

The question about Kroken / Krokji is partly answered in the Hemsedalslekt book as it is a "nedlagt bruk under Vøllo." The most recent family on or residents of Kroken are from the late 1700s. I think nedlagt means vacated or vacant.

Jackie M.

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Reply author: Erik Carsten
Replied on: 10/10/2008 02:17:59
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Hi Jan Peter and Jackie.

Are you guys getting tired of this thread? Right now I am feeling exhausted. I find one bit of information and it leads me to other avenues and I find myself wanted to learn more and more!

I was wondering if you could tell me if any of Mekkel Olsen Fauske's brother's or sisters immigrated or had children that immigrated to America?

Is there any mention of these families in the Hemsedal Bydgebok?

1. Birgit Fauske b. 1794 married to Steingrim Liego 1827
2. Anne Fauske b. 1800-1875 married Knut P. Vollo
3. kari Fauske b. 1803 married Ole Knutsen Vollo in 1828
4. Torstein Fauske b. 1806 died 1875
5. Halvor Fauske b. 1808 married to Anne Kristendatter Vente.

This information was taken form the Ancestors of My Father paper that was compiled by a distant relation of mine....the same paper you referenced above.

thank you

Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 10/10/2008 08:27:10
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Here are marriage records for
1. Birgit Fauske b. 1794 married to Steingrim Liego 1827 #28
Husband Ole Steengrimson (40) and wife Birgit Olsdatter (33)
3. Kari Fauske b. 1803 married Ole Knutsen Vollo in 1828 #2
Husband Ole Knudsen(30) and wife Kari Olsdatter (24)
Birth records for
2. Anne Fauske b. 1800-1875 married Knut P. Vollo #36
Birgit, Kari and Anne were sisters.
No Torstein and Halvor born at Fuske found so far.

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 10/10/2008 10:40:12
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Hi,
Torstein was born fall 1805 and christened Tosten on 3. Sunday in Advent, Dec. 15. 1805, top left page #25

Kåre