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Topic author: Wally
Subject: Anne Langland Ohnstad
Posted on: 19/08/2008 21:30:23
Message:

Hi I am trying to find out when Anne Langland Ohnstad died in Minnesota.

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Reply author: kathyzeien
Replied on: 20/08/2008 00:53:26
Message:

Hi,
I found a Anne E. Ohnstad that was born Aug. 20, 1931 and died Jan. 23, 1988 in Hennepin County on the Minnesota death index online. Don't know if this is the one you are looking for. Can also check on Ancestry.


Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 20/08/2008 00:55:29
Message:

Hi Wally,

If it was about 1904 & later, try at :

www.mnhs.org

There are 5 Ann, Anne, Anna Ohnstads there in various places in Minnesota.

Jackie M.


Reply author: Wally
Replied on: 21/08/2008 21:39:17
Message:

Thanks all, it would be in the early 1900s.


Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 22/08/2008 04:13:22
Message:

Hi Wally,

Try at www.dalbydata.com for Ann Onstad. There are two there that spelling whose deaths fit approximately.

Good Luck.

Jackie


Reply author: Wally
Replied on: 22/08/2008 20:30:20
Message:

Jackie, Thanks a million. It seems in Norweigen language Ohnstad could also be used for Onstad.
Now if I could only finally find what happened thier very young children after she died.


Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 23/08/2008 04:43:24
Message:

Hi Wally,

So one of the various Anns turned out to be the right one? The children's father's name was ?? The children's names were?

At the www.mnhs.org site you may search for both deaths and births by the mother's maiden name (this case Langland?) and see if anything turns up. Or were the children adopted out? If they were adopted you could always try a search for the exact birthdate at www.rootsweb.com version of the Social Security Death Index under advanced search.

Good Luck!

Jackie M.


Reply author: Wally
Replied on: 23/08/2008 21:44:31
Message:

Jackie, Many thanks for your help. Both Ellend and Annie came from Norway.
Together the couple had 6 children, 3 of which survived: Oden H Dec. 18, 1895, Arthur P, also known as Palmer Arthur, Oct. 1897, and Almer, also known as Elmer who was born on 1899.
For whatever reason, the children were either adopted out or farmed out.


Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 24/08/2008 01:09:30
Message:

Hi Wally,

Palmer and Elmer both ended up in California, literally and figuratively--in the death records index at www.rootsweb.com
Search for Ohnstad and then look at the California death index listings.

If the family still lived in Albert Lea, Minnesota when Ann died, there appears to be 3 or 4 congregations of Lutherans which might have records of her funeral, provided there was a funeral:
Albert Lean evangelisk lutherske menighet, Trefoldigheds (Trinity) menighet, and one simply calle "Albert Lea Menighet".

This may list the obit of the brother Odin /Oden:

http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/chicagotribune/results.html?st=advanced&QryTxt=odin+ohnstad&type=historic&sortby=CHRON&datetype=0&frommonth=01&fromday=01&fromyear=1985&tomonth=08&today=23&toyear=2008&By=&Title=&restrict=articles

Jackie M.


Reply author: Wally
Replied on: 24/08/2008 04:45:38
Message:

Jackie, one final question: Could you possibly find what happened to thier father, Ellend?
Wally


Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 24/08/2008 04:55:43
Message:

Hi Wally,

Yes, go here,

http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/Search.aspx

input Ellend Ohnstad in the death records search, click on the magnifying glass and view as a dvju or click to make jpeg. Big file, long time to load but verrrry interesting.

Hilsen,
Jackie M.


Reply author: Wally
Replied on: 24/08/2008 19:36:15
Message:

Jackie, I must offer you all my thanks. You really helped.


Reply author: Wally
Replied on: 14/12/2008 21:16:46
Message:

One final question, I looked at some doccuments I had and found that my grandmother, Mathilda Iverson, at that time married an Allen J Ohnstad in Owatona, Minnesota.
Would the English name of Allen be equivalent to the Norweigen name of Ellened?


Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 14/12/2008 23:40:42
Message:

I think Ellened/Ellend is americanized.
Could perhaps be coming from Erlend or Elling.
Most ot the emigrants kept the initials if they changed name.

Kåre


Reply author: Wally
Replied on: 22/12/2008 02:27:47
Message:

Kaarto, a million thanks. However there seems a large difference between Ellend and Allen j Ohnstad.


Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 22/12/2008 19:29:55
Message:

Ohnstad farms seems to be situated in Aurland, Sogn og Fjordane. All other "onstad-farms" are spelled without the "h".
Both Elling and Ellend is found on the Ohnstad farm in the 1801 census.
In 1865 there are 9 Ohnstad farms in Aurland. Elling Johannesen is there and Ellend Jensen also.
Any connection with Allen J. Ohnstad?


Reply author: Wally
Replied on: 22/12/2008 19:53:50
Message:

Thanks all. It is a bit confusing as Ohnstad is often used interchaneably with Onstad. Anyway Anne came from Norway. I believe Elling /Ellend/ or Allen did also.


Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 22/12/2008 20:39:45
Message:

Hi,
Ohnstad (800 persons) and Onstad (3500 persons) living in Norway is the same name.
Ohnstad is an older spelling.
The pronunciation is the same.

Kåre


Reply author: Wally
Replied on: 24/12/2008 04:29:17
Message:

Kaarto, a million thanks. Both Anne an Ellend(Elling)? came from Norway.


Reply author: Wally
Replied on: 02/01/2009 21:51:30
Message:

Hi Kaarto and all, when my grandmother, the late Mathilda Iverson got married in Minnesota in 1904, it was to and Allen Ohnstad. When they got divorced in North Dakota, the husband's name was Ellen Onstad.


Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 02/01/2009 22:57:26
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I have from the 1900 census 192 people living on Ohnstad/Onstad farms in following municipalities and counties in Norway:
13 in Askim and 24 in Skibtvedt, Østfold county
14 in Aurdal and 19 in Ø. Slidre, Oppland county
14 in Nissedal, Telemark county
99 in Aurland, Sogn og Fjordane county
9 in Trondenes, Troms county

From the emigration records from Oslo and Bergen I found Onstad/Ohnstad emigrants from Ø. Slidre, Skiaker/Sjåk (Oppland county) Ådalen (Buskerud county) Aurland and Lærdal (Sogn og Fjordane county)

The Elling name exist in the Onstad family in Trondenes, 3 members, the parents are supported by a daughter living in USA.

Ellen is americanized, 100% sure, but from what: Erling, Erlend, Erlen, Elling.

Elling Webjørnsen Ohnstad, shoe makers son, born 1880 emigrated from Aurland parish Jan.1886?

About when was he born?

Kåre



Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 03/01/2009 03:29:56
Message:

Hi Kåre & Wally,

Not to be contradictory but Ellen, as a male name, is used with some frequency in Hallingdal particularly in Nes & Flå...

Jackie


Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 03/01/2009 10:52:37
Message:

Really Jackie, life is a learning, I have always looked on Ellen as a female name, perhaps its an older spelling from 1600-1700 or early 1800 in Hallingdal.

I have two very unusual mans name in 1900 simulare to Ellen: Elleng and Ellend.

Ellen J. Onstad, J. could be from a middle name or most likely the initials to his fathers first name.
Could be in varies spellings, most common was John, Jens, Johan, Johannes and Jacob.
Then Jahn, Jarand, Jalmar, Joakim, Jonas etc.

Kåre


Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 03/01/2009 12:44:15
Message:

Hi!

If this Ellend is the same fellow as before, his death date of 25 Nov 1925 is found in the death records of the Washington Secretary of State site. His age in that record is 62 years which means he should be in the 1865 census. Maybe here in Aurland:

http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=5&filnamn=f61421&gardpostnr=106&personpostnr=573&merk=573#ovre

And here is another E***** Ohnstad in the North Dakota death index online:
OHNSTAD, ELLING, 07/24/1958 Walsh, MALE, 87 Years, 10/03/1870, North Dakota Walsh

Mathilda and E**** or A**** got divorced where in North Dakota?

Happy New Year!

Jackie M.


Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 03/01/2009 13:09:12
Message:

Yes Ellend was born out of wedlock May 7 1865, see #42
his parents were Oline Ellendsdatter and Jens Ingebretsen from Sagøen in Lærdal parish.
Oline Ellendsdatter was a twin (her sister was Ingjegjør) they were born Sept 16 1839, see #51 &52
their father was Ellend Thorbjørnsen Ohnstad.
Ellend Torbjørnsen with his first wife in 1801
Ellends parents are also in this census record.
Ellend Jenssen Ohnstad was confirmed June 13 1880, see #17


Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 03/01/2009 13:40:56
Message:

Ellends father Jens Ingebrigtsen Sagøen and his parents in 1865
Jens was born Febr 5 1826, see #26
his parents were then on Sæbøe.


Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 03/01/2009 14:33:59
Message:

Oline Ellendsdatter died on Ohnstad about 91 years old on Oct. 24. 1930. She lived on Ohnstad all her life and never married.

Kåre


Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 03/01/2009 17:14:35
Message:

Ohnstad is located to "Ohnstadbukti" Ohnstad bay in Vangen/Aurlandsvangen sub parish in Aurland, named after mans name Una "Unastadir" Unas sted/ Unas place, the flat area down right in the photo is Onstad

More pictures from Vangen

Kåre


Reply author: Wally
Replied on: 03/01/2009 21:02:21
Message:

Jmarkler, my grandmother, who was then Mathilda Iverson received from this Mr. Ohnstad/Onstad in McLean County, North Dakota, on 1907


Reply author: Wally
Replied on: 03/01/2009 21:35:31
Message:

Please forgive me, I am seeking for accuracy. Saying this, I know that Allen J Onstad married Mathilda Iverson on Dec.1 1904, in Owatonna, Minnesota. The marriage was recorded in Steele County Book H-page page 19.
However the divorce was recorded in Mclean County, North Dakota records. The first name starts with an E and the rest in question. The last name is spelled Onstad.
My grandmother came here in 1875. Her second husband came in 1870.


Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 04/01/2009 00:59:35
Message:

Hi Wally,

So you are exploring which of the E**** Ohnstad males might be the right one to have married your grandmother? Your earlier research question was to either eliminate or accept the Ellend Ohnstad who married Anne Langland as a possible candidate? Did your grandmother have any children with her Ohnstad? One record source which might help you, provided they stayed in Minnesota long enough for it, is the 1905 Minnesota State Census (it is on Ancestry). It would give you another opportunity for a record in which his first name and biographical data are given. Likewise a baptismal or birth record for any child of theirs might also reveal his name again. As it is, Freeborn county (where the Ellend and Anne family lived)borders Steele County (where your grandmother married Ohnstad) so a connection is not outside the realm of possibility.

Good Luck,

Jackie M.


Reply author: Wally
Replied on: 04/01/2009 01:55:56
Message:

Jackie, From what I have been told, both Mathilda and her husband wasted any time in getting to North Dakota. After all she had a daughter and an unborn son to worry about. After the divorce she married my grandfather. To that union, which would be her last, my uncle and late dad were born.


Reply author: Wally
Replied on: 05/01/2009 02:46:59
Message:

If I may continue, let me say I am at a loss, because I don;t speak Norweigen. I speak only English and a little German.
Anyway shortly after the marriage the family moved to a claim in extreme Western McLean County, North Dakota. Then before the divorce, the couple lived in 2 towns in that area.


Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 05/01/2009 15:30:52
Message:

Hi Wally,

By a claim, usually people assume its a homestead claim. Searching at the land patent site www.glorecords.blm.gov there are several E /A Onstad/ Ohnstad names but none in McLean County. Likewise, there are none to Mathilda Iverson. The only claim in McLean is this for Ida M. Onstad:

ONSTAD, IDA M ND McLean 10/22/1919 Minot 012535 714496

A copy of Ida's original patent, should she be of interest, is also downloadable in a graphic format. Otherwise you click on the tabs to get the exact legal description of the land.

Another record to help sort homestead claims for people coming from foreign countries is that they must have filed their first papers to become a naturalized citizen in order to be eligible to file a homestead. These "declarations of intention" for North Dakota and Minnesota are each searchable online. I looked but didnot find for Mathilda Iverson in North Dakota. The Minnesota site for this is:
www.ironrangeresearchcenter.org The person was not required to complete the citizenship process to get their homestead but only to have filed their declaration of intent.

So it appears unlikely that the Onstads got their land from the federal government. That means that their transaction should be on file at the McLean County courthouse in Washburn, N.D. You could write to find both when they purchased and when it was sold. Names are usually included and sometimes residences of participants are included.

You might also be interested to read newspapers from the time the family came to McLean. The State Historical Society of North Dakota has an entire collection on microfilm which may be borrowed for a small fee and viewed at your local facility. www.nd.gov/hist/sal

One other reason to look into the baptism records of any children of the couple is that the "godparents" listed are usually friends or relatives. It's sometimes easier to find a whole family of people than it is to find one individual.

Good Luck,

Jackie M.



Reply author: Wally
Replied on: 05/01/2009 20:00:49
Message:

Jackie, this is the homesead where they first settled. As said before, it is confusing as Ohmstead is used intercgangely witth Onstad.
From there the couple moved to Underwood and later to Turtle Lake.


Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 06/01/2009 23:30:28
Message:

Hi Wally,

Mathilda and Ellend were included in the 1905 Minnesota State Census for Freeborn County, Riceland Township. The census date is 5 June 1905. Ellend J. Ohnstad is listed as a harness maker and though the number was crossed out, it looks like the original answer for the number of years living in the state is 10. Ellend's age is given as 35 and that he was born in Norway as were his parents. Mathilda's age is given as 30 years, birthplace as Iowa and her parents were born in Norway, her residency in Minnesota is given as 8 months. There are two children in the household an Edward Iverson and a Mable C. Iverson. Edward is aged 3 and born in Iowa and his residency in the state is 7 months. Mable is aged 5, also born in Iowa and the same length of residency as Edward's 7 months.

Hope this is of interest.

Jackie M.


Reply author: Wally
Replied on: 07/01/2009 00:43:40
Message:

Thanks Jackie, As such a long time has passed, I am not trying to bring out dirty linen.
Having said that. am I to assume Ellend was married to Anne before he married my grandmother?


Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 07/01/2009 03:45:24
Message:

Hi Wally,

Well, it's not known, it is, that the two Ellends are the same man or do you have some family stories to that effect? There are a few differences between the biographical profile of the men, age for one,(34 in 1900 and 35 in 1905) and what happened to the three little children from the marriage with Anne? (They grew up, to be sure, as they are found in later census records. One is found in Washington state in either 1920 or 1930 census and that is why I looked in the Washington state death records online for Ellend.) But on the other hand the two men have the same name and are in the same geographical area, follow the same occupation, harness maker, in both 1900 & 1905, and do not appear to overlap in the records, so it's not impossible that they are identical.

Mathilda may have been married before, however. In the 1910 census she is married to your grandfather Edward Rutter and Mable is in the household listed as a "step daughter." Iverson may not have been Mathilda's "maiden" name but rather her married name. What do you know about your dad's half sister Mabel and half brother Edward?

Do you know if Mathilda and Ohnstad had any children together, even ones which died as infants?

I guess my best advice is to aggressively collect the records you can to bring as much information to bear on the question of who Ellend Ohnstad was.

Jackie M.


Reply author: Wally
Replied on: 07/01/2009 19:28:19
Message:

Jackie according to to divorce papers, which I have read and reread, the answer is no.
It was most likely a marriage of convience. After all my grandmother still had 2 sons left in Iowa with her exin-laws.


Reply author: Wally
Replied on: 07/01/2009 19:41:26
Message:

Jackie, while, of course, I have a family record going quite far back, offsprings born of parents from the US carried the same last name of thier father.
Thus since my father's last name Rutter, my last name is Rutter.


Reply author: Wally
Replied on: 08/01/2009 02:23:53
Message:

Jackie, as I am talking to you, I have the divorce certicate in front of me.
At the trial, my grandmother said she was taking care of herself and her 2 Iverson children, she was working at a section house in Turtle Lake. It may seem a bit ironic but my late grandfather was the section foreman. In fact my late dad was born in the section house.
One final thing the question of offspring was brought and my grandmother said she had none by him.


Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 08/01/2009 08:15:23
Message:

Hi Wally,

Well, I did a little looking today and found out about the Elling Ohnstad in the ND Death index born 1870 and died 1958. I think he can be eliminated from consideration. He was one of 8 children of a Henrik Ohnstad who came to America from Aadalen, Ringerike in 1882 and settled in Walsh County, Dakota Territory in 1883. Virtually no details matched, but curiously he and his family lived in Albert Lea, Minnesota 1882-1883!

The biographical information found in the 1900 census, the E**** Ohnstad who was married to Anne were these:

Name: Elling J. Ohnstad
Age: 34
Birth date: May 1866
Birth place: Norway
Parents' birthplaces: both father and mother Norway
Year of migration: 1893
Citizenship status: Naturalized
Marital Status: married for 7 6 years
Occupation: harness maker
Residence: on First street in Albert Lea, Freeborn County, Minnesota
Length of Residence in state: Not asked but calculated from birthplaces of children, Minnesota since at least Feb 1895
Length of Residence in district: Not asked

From the 1905 Minnesota state census:

Name: Ellend J. Ohnstad
Age: 35
Birthdate: Not asked
Birthplace: Norway
Parents' birthplaces: both father and mother Norway
Year of migration: Not asked
Citizenship status: Not asked
Marital status: Not asked
Occupation: harness maker
Residence: Riceland, Freeborn County, Minnesota
Length of residence in State: 10 years (crossed out, may be 15)
Length of residence in district: 1 year 1 month (crossed out)

I wasn't able to find E**** in the 1910 census and didn't have an opportunity to look in the 1920 census. So based on the information there is, it appears the E*** from 1900 and 1905 are the same man or are likeliest to be the same man.

Okay, so Mathilda didn't have children with Ohnstad. But curiously in the 1910 census, the question was asked mother of how many children and the answer was 5 and how many are living the answer was 5 and there are only 3 in the household, Mabel, Eddie Iverson and William Rutter. If the census is right, who & where are the other two?

Hilsen,
Jackie M.


Reply author: Hopkins
Replied on: 08/01/2009 12:29:14
Message:

Jackie -- Be sure and read the previous threads about this family that Wally R. has posted here before.


Reply author: Wally
Replied on: 09/01/2009 19:56:32
Message:

It really doesn't matter, if it ever did, but my grandmother was born in Norwar on 1875.
The whole preface of my question was when Anne died. I know her first husband died in Iowa on 1901.


Reply author: Wally
Replied on: 10/01/2009 21:55:47
Message:

I know that the last of the siblings was born in 1897. Would I be safe to assume Anne died in childbirth or shortly thereafter


Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 11/01/2009 14:15:58
Message:

Hi Wally,

No to the 1897 (and actually Almer Ohnstad, the youngest kid in 1900 family is listed as having been born in Oct 1899 so 1897 not right all the way round) date for your assumption. Anne is still living in 1900. So your dates are between 9 June 1900 (date of the census in which she last appears or some other record which dates her still later living if you have such) and the marriage date of Mathilda and Ellend (as long as you are satisfied he's the same man as married Anne then Mathilda) in 1904.

Since Anne may or may not appear in the Minnesota online death index, you will have to first find a record of her death, or of her funeral, or of her burial in county records, church records, possibly newspapers, or headstone transcriptions (if she was given a headstone).

Good Luck

Jackie


Reply author: Wally
Replied on: 12/01/2009 23:07:43
Message:

Jackie, this what I have sgraight from the horse's mouth: Allen J Ohnstad and Mathilda Iverson were married on Dec.1,1904 in Owatonna, Minnesota
Their witnesses were Peter Ellingson and Ella M Eggleson.
Their marriage certificate is recorded in Book H .Page 19


Reply author: Wally
Replied on: 13/01/2009 16:39:05
Message:

Jackie, I wonder if we can't safely assume that Allen Ohnstad isn't the Americaized version of Ellend Ohnstad.


Reply author: Wally
Replied on: 30/01/2009 20:47:37
Message:

Hi all, I am not so sure now that Anne died in Minn. It could have been in Iowa where my grandmother's first husband died.


Reply author: Wally
Replied on: 06/03/2009 22:26:12
Message:

Please forgive me for beating this to death, but I have used the info above. For whatever the reasons are there no recods of Ellend Ohnstad dieing around Auburn Washington during the time in question.


Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 06/03/2009 22:44:52
Message:

Hi Wally,

Here is a copy of the citation from the Washington State Secretary of State's website concerning the death of a man named Ellend Ohnstad.


Death Records
Collection: Washington State Death Records
County: Statewide
da reference number: {F2966A85-F690-4755-8CF2-84687980F0C0}
image number: 1187
document number: 26
document reference id: 2022253
name: Ellend Ohnstad
date of death: 23 Nov 1925
age: 62
gender: Male
race or color:
place of burial:
burial year:
cemetery name:
father name: Ohnstad
father birth place:
mother name:
mother birth place:
additional relatives:
batch id: 276353
batch locality: Washington, United States
burial date:
death place: Auburn, King, Washington
mother name gn:
mother name surname:
note birth place:
note burial date:
note burial place:
note death date:
note death place:
note pr name:
residence:
spouse name: Anna Ohnstad
street address:

Citation: Washington State Death Certificate Index 1907-1960

Did you view the certificate when this was citation was first posted? The actual certificate image was available and did contain a few more details about him. The website does say that the images are temporarily not available but you could order a copy of the death certificate.

Good Luck.

Jackie M.


Reply author: Wally
Replied on: 07/03/2009 21:42:28
Message:

Jackie, A million thanks to you.


Reply author: Wally
Replied on: 16/03/2009 18:25:12
Message:

Jackie, it is only out of curiousity I seek where he was burried. For that matter of fact, I have been using this forum and others to find where my grandmother's first husband, Edward Iverson, is burried in Iowa. I have walked to her last husband, Edward Rutter, countless times.
Wally


Reply author: Wally
Replied on: 28/03/2009 01:23:45
Message:

Jackie, I have used the info you sent along with various resources in Washington, but I have been unable to find where he is burried.


Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 28/03/2009 02:18:08
Message:

Hi Wally,

Well disposition of the body is something covered on the death certificate. You could buy the certificate on Ellend from the State of Washington or if your curiosity doesn't warrant spending $$ on the cert, wait until such time as the images are again free for the viewing on the website. It may be that Ellend wasn't buried in Washington. Most likely there is a funeral home or agent in charge and they will likely be listed on the d.c.

Good Luck,

Jackie M.


Reply author: Wally
Replied on: 28/03/2009 17:23:29
Message:

Jackie, A million thanks. I think I will wait.


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