Margrethe Olsdatter/Lund

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Topic author: Jedi92851
Subject: Margrethe Olsdatter/Lund
Posted on: 03/01/2010 01:09:59
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Looking for parents of Margrethe Lund. Lund may have been a married name. She was born 14 Jun 1867 in Loften Norway. Grew up in Trondein, Norway. First marriage about 1887. Immigrated to USA 1891. Married in USA 1893. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Reply author: Hopkins
Replied on: 03/01/2010 01:25:16
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This is the same person as in your thread of 2008, right?

http://www.norwayheritage.com/snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3767

Reply author: Jedi92851
Replied on: 03/01/2010 02:02:52
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Yes....found out that her last name may have been Olsdatter or Lund and the name Loften looks like where she may have lived and Trondein where she grew up. Also that she may have had a first marriage in Norway. I was hoping maybe it would fill in some holes in my family tree. LOL Thanks

I found where she came to USA via Port of Philadelphia on the Steamship Lord Gough from Liverpool England and arrived June 2, 1881...destination Baldwin Wisconsin. She used the sur name of Lund.

Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 03/01/2010 09:08:04
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I found where she came to USA via Port of Philadelphia on the Steamship Lord Gough from Liverpool England and arrived June 2, 1881...destination Baldwin Wisconsin. She used the sur name of Lund.

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Reply author: Jedi92851
Replied on: 03/01/2010 15:32:43
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Thank you so much! I'm happy to have this bit of information. I know she is the right one and I meant 1891 not 1881. I'm glad to know which name to go by also. This forum is always so helpful.

Reply author: Jedi92851
Replied on: 03/01/2010 16:37:32
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I have found where her date of birth was listed one place as January 1867 although her headstone says 14 Jun 1867. I've seen families make mistakes on the headstones before.

Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 03/01/2010 17:44:12
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Here is the info from ancestry.com on her arrival. No mention of a son John and nothing in the orignianl manifest about who her parents might be.

Name: Mgt Lund
Arrival Date: 2 Jun 1891
Age: 24 Years
Estimated birth year: abt 1867
Gender: Female
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Lord Gough
Port of Arrival: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

Reply author: Jedi92851
Replied on: 03/01/2010 18:02:19
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Thank you. I don't believe she had a son then and I don't know why she used the surname of Olsen also that people remember.

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 03/01/2010 20:15:46
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Hi,

A bit off the mark of the current conversation but here is the MOMS listing of her marriage to Edward Hanson:

MARSHALL B-447 5/20/1893 HANSON, EDWARD J./ LUND, MAGGIE

The actual record might identify her as a widow or formerly married person.

Regarding the name of her birthplace as Lofsten, etc, here are couple of possibilities. In the 1875 Norwegian census transcription on line a search for birthplace named Loften found some members of a family living in Steigen a parish in Nordland. The Lofoten islands are another possible place. Trondein, etc. seems like it might be Trondhjem. These are all northerly locations in Norway.

Jackie M.

Reply author: Jedi92851
Replied on: 03/01/2010 20:44:13
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That looks very interesting. Do you know how I can find the actual record or can you tell me where you found this? Thank you so much for looking.

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 03/01/2010 20:52:52
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Hi,

Here is the web address for the Norwegian digital archives. On that site you can search in the 1801, 1865, 1875, 1900 Norwegian census transcriptions, passenger registers (has a database of departures from Trondhjem) and the digitized and mounted parish registers of Norway.

If for some reason this link doesn't take you to the home page, just google Norwegian digital archives.


http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebFront.exe?slag=vis&tekst=meldingar&spraak=e

Sorry to be so nosy... but here is a Margrethe Lund information from the Trondhjem departures:

Year Page Line no. Serial no. New group Date of reg. Date Given name Last name Marital status Family pos. Occupation Sex Age Residence Destination Line Ship Ticket Travel permissions

64479 1891 654 9 1442 1 13.05.1891 13.05.1891 Margrethe Lund ug Arb k 24 Thjem Baldvind Wisc American Bravo Bill. bet. i Amerika

The ug means unmarried and Thjem is an abbreviation for Trondhjem and her fare was paid for in America.
Jackie M

Reply author: Jedi92851
Replied on: 03/01/2010 21:13:05
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Thank you! I love that you are nosy. LOL I was hoping someone would be nosy. I'm going to look at this. I appreciate the information so much. Every little bit gets me further. Thank you for the translation also since I do not know Norwegian.

Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 03/01/2010 21:49:30
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In the posting 03/01/2010 : 09:08:04 I should have said "click on May 13 1891" - most of my postings are hyperlinks.
Useful translator

Reply author: Jedi92851
Replied on: 03/01/2010 22:00:53
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Yes I realized that and it was very helpful. Thank you. That made it very easy for me. I had heard Edward J Hanson's first wife Dorthea had died in Norway. He then went to America with his two oldest children of the four he had in Norway. He later had sent for Margrethe Maggie Lund to come to America. So that all seems to fit into place where he probably paid her way. Maggie must have lived near him when he was in Norway since he knew her before she came to America. You all are so helpful!

Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 04/01/2010 00:18:50
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Here is another way to search the Norwegian Census data. Try typing in Margarethe and click on 1875 and search.. You only turn up 47 names in the 1875 Census, but no Olsdatters.

NHDC

Reply author: Jedi92851
Replied on: 04/01/2010 02:07:39
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Great site!! Thank you so much. I enjoyed looking through the names. I could weed it down to a few. There are five pages of names. Gee, I didn't realize it was such a popular name. The one that hits me to be the closest is: Dverberg Hansdatter, Margrethe Olea 1867 Bjøskd. Dværbg. Loviken. The reason is they always called her Maggie O and she named a son Hans, maybe after her father. Maybe someone assumed Olson. There were many Margrethe Olsons and Olsdatters but none of the dates fit and there weren't any Margrethe Lunds. But that isn't enough information to make me sure. Thanks for poking around.

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 04/01/2010 20:37:47
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Hi,

The transcription of the census records at the digitalarkivet are among the best for searching tools.

For instance if Margrethe is the spelling there may indeed be 40 or 47 of that name in the 1875 but if you choose the mechanism that allows you to search how the name starts and go with 'marg" and you will find that there are 25 different spellings of Margrethe, a total 381 beginning in marg with all the other possible recorded endings. What if Margrethe is a "middle name?" Then you use the "contains" tool. Also understand in the 1875 census transcription, not every parish is available online yet.

The significance of the name Hans on one of her sons might be less that what you think since Hanson is also her husband's patronymic.

The one record you have giving her birth place information is her obituary.

1.You could also track down the church records of their local denomination and see if her birthplace recorded in them in the possible marriage record (if she was married in the church, that is), baptismals of any of her children as well as her funeral record.
2. Is her obit available from more than one paper? Get all the obits, newspaper editors sometimes pick and choose which details get printed and one paper might have a better rendition of the names of the places than in the obit you have.

You need all the records you can get from here to compare to the huge grouping of potential women in Norway before you can safely weed away anyone.

Another thing you can do at the digitalarkivet site is to search the outmigration records (utflyttedes) from the parishes in Trondhjem, since the 1891 passenger record shows Trondhjem as her last residence (and Trondein--a possible typo for Trondhjem / Trondheim-- is mentioned as a place of residence in her obit) and see if & when she got permission to go.

Since you suppose that she may have known her husband in Norway, are you certain where he was from and where he was living before he departed about 1889?

You might 'luck out" and find your Margrethe, but you do need to work with what you already have, making certain that you have a full set of info and go from those facts.

Good Luck,
Jackie M.

Reply author: Jedi92851
Replied on: 06/01/2010 16:26:43
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Thank you so much for the help and information. I have been using your suggestions but have not come up with much except someone told me that people in Norway most often changed their names before coming to America. I have found that to be true in two other families in my own tree. Because the names such as Olson and Larsen were so common in Noway and the naming system of naming sons of Ole (something) to the last name of Olson and daughters of Ole to Olesdatter, were not used here in the states, that the families dropped those names and used the farm name as their surname. Therefore Margrethe may have had the given name of Margrethe Olesdatter at birth ( which may be why she was called Maggie "O" and some people had heard Olson) who was the daughter of Ole (something) and lived on the Lund farm in Noway which is why she used the last name Lund. It would help if I knew Ole's first name or her mothers name but I don't. I have been checking into the information of their nine children (Edward also had four more children with his first wife Dorthea in Norway). Two of his oldest children ages about 5 and 7 at the time came to the states with him. So with 13 children and many descendants, you would think someone would know more or something might be in their birth records. I sure appreciate the help and information you have all given me. Someday I may find something more. I have found many happy ending by not giving up.

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 06/01/2010 22:06:19
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Hi,

By following the "loften" clue you might find a parish in which records to search.

If the place is actually Lofoten, there are about a dozen parishes on Lofoten, some of which records are in existence and searchable online at the digitalarkivet site.

You have your grandmother's birthdate as the family knew it and recorded it in America but following up in the Norwegian records it would be wise to expand your search by a couple of years either way in the baptismal records. Even though we are at the event of our birth, we are not the best witnesses as to the accuracy of the date applied to it!

If you find a promising Margaret in a parish then you might test the story about moving to Trondhjem for her growing up years by searching the outmigrations from that parish.

A further test would be to find her outmigrating from one of the parishes in Trondhjem in 1891. Sometimes the outmigrating records contain more information about the person. Since it appears that she might have been in Trondhjem in her teens, she might have been confirmed there as well. Searching for a potential confirmation record in Trondhjem would represent another oportunity to find her parents and her origin as well.

Loften might be some other place entirely. The index in my atlas to Norway has a place called "Loftenes" Loftenes must also be part of a parish the baptismal records of which are also searchable in the same way.

One of the correspondents in the earlier string mentioned finding Ole Sund or Lund in Marshall County in the census also. There is an Ole Lund listed for an obit at the www.pvillage.org database. Since he died in 1934, aged about 79 several years before Maggie died, if she is a surviving sister she might be listed in his obit. A long shot but one worth taking a look at.

Did you get Maggie's death certificate? Her parents names might be recorded there as well as her birthplace and maybe given by an informant who knew the exact and correct spelling, rather than a Norwegian challenged Yankee editor / typesetter.

To help you, I checked for an obit for Maggie in the Rowberg Biographical File but found none for her or for her husband, nor Ole Lund.

I also went through several years in the 1920s-1930s issues of Nord-Norge the publication of the Nordlandslaget but found no reference to her. Didn't have access to any issues from the year she died however.

Good Luck

Jackie M.

Reply author: Jedi92851
Replied on: 06/01/2010 23:19:09
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Thanks. I did find and get an obit for her from the nearby town where she lived for many years and all her kids were born but it did not have any information other than her husband and children....things we already knew. I think it also mentioned that she was born in Norway but just information that people knew to put in it......right or wrong.

Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 07/01/2010 00:31:38
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What was found when you or someone you know looked at the Original Death Certificate. See below.

Name: Margarete O. Hanson
Death Date: 22 Feb 1941
Death County: Marshall
State File Number: 008171
Certificate Number: 008171
Certificate Year: 1941
Record Number: 860578

Reply author: Jedi92851
Replied on: 07/01/2010 01:37:18
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No date of birth, place of birth or maiden name. They don't even have her name correct.

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 07/01/2010 17:16:34
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Hi,

Okay so her death cert is no help and it appears that any additional area obits of Margrethe don't contain any further or more clear information.

When you google Loften what happens? When I did, it most often it appears in connection with the Lofoten Islands in Norway and with at least one listing as a city in Sor Trondelag. Perhaps some of the Norwegian forumites might know more about other potential origins for Loften.

Here are the parishes listed as additional places to look at the library catalog when the place name Lofoten is searched at www.familysearch.org (by the by, that finding tool doesnot find Loften Norway at all):

(See Also) Norway, Nordland, Borge
(See Also) Norway, Nordland, Buksnes
(See Also) Norway, Nordland, Flakstad
(See Also) Norway, Nordland, Gimsøy
(See Also) Norway, Nordland, Hol
(See Also) Norway, Nordland, Moskenes
(See Also) Norway, Nordland, Røst
(See Also) Norway, Nordland, Svolvær
(See Also) Norway, Nordland, Valberg
(See Also) Norway, Nordland, Vågan
(See Also) Norway, Nordland, Værøy

When you get to the scanned parish registers of Nordland at the digitalarkivet look for these parish names to begin searching for a baptismal for Margrethe.

Do you know where Edward Hanson was from in and his location just before his departure from Norway? What about the 4 children from his prior marriage, what are their names, birthdates and birth places? Do you know if they married and their married names? Information may have been preserved about the possible prior connection between Maggie and Ed down their lines and knowing their information may allow you to tap into it.

I seem pompous here (sorry for that!) but you have a tremendous clue with the two place names in Norway from her obituary, if you are willing to follow where they lead you. You've been at bat twice in this forum about Margrethe and so far (as it often happens here not an unexpected outcome) no one has been able to "put it out of the park" for you. What might remain to do is to exercise dogged determination.

Good Luck,

Jackie M.

Reply author: Jedi92851
Replied on: 07/01/2010 19:46:55
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Edward was married to Dorthea and I found somewhere where it was stated his first marriage was in 1880. I've bee trying to find that. His first two children where Hartvig b June 1882 and Alma D in b Jan 1884. I also have been trying to find where they were born in Norway. That makes his two younger children Hannah and Clara who he left behind in Norway born between 1885 and the time he came to the states in 1889. I have been looking into who might have taken them in. They must have been too young for him to take. Dorthea, their mother, may have died...I have to assume. I know nothing more about those two girls.
Edward was in the Tune, Østfold, Norway census-1865.
Born at Opstadalen Aug 7
Baptized Johan Edvard Sept 2 1855

I also had googled Loften and was wondering if it was meant as Lofoten since there was so many misspellings in the old notes I found. I am really bad at the digitalarkivet since I know no Norwegian and am trying translate what to put in what boxes there.
It doesn't appear from what I have found that Margrethes descendants knew much of her past or family. I find nothing about siblings or parents in her obit. There is a possibility she did not have much of a family...adopted or such. I have found some pretty tough things with persistence in the past just when I was ready to give up.

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 07/01/2010 22:10:36
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Hi,

The son Hartvig--is this his marriage record?

MARSHALL F-2 3/21/1914 HANSON, HARTVIG ANDERSON, TINA

Was he still living in 1918 in US? If so, he would have had to register for the draft and the form he filled out asks for birthplace and if the gods smile on you it will tell a place in Norway rather than just the name of the Country. Perhaps a forumite has access to Ancestry and would look.

Here are two snippets of obits published in the Grand Forks, N.D. Herald which apparently relate to one of this couple and a child at www.newslibrary.com:

1. Grand Forks Herald (ND) - November 26, 1999

ADELIA HANSON
Adelia Hanson, 79, Newfolden, died Wednesday, Nov. 24, 1999, in Altru Hospital, Grand Forks.Adelia Esther Hanson was born Dec. 22, 1919, the daughter of Hartvig and Tena (Anderson) Hanson, in Newfolden. She lived with her family in New Maine Township, Marshall County, Minn., until moving with her mother to Newfolden in 1958. In 1987, she began living with her sister, Beulah. She moved to Karlstad (Minn.) Health Center in August 1994 and then to a group home in Argyle, Minn., in February...


2. Grand Forks Herald (ND) - June 5, 1990

OBITUARIES TENA HANSON
Tena Hanson, 95, Newfolden, died Saturday, June 2, 1990, in Thief River Falls.Services will be at 2 p.m. Wednesday in Evangelical Free Church, Newfolden. Visitation will be from 1 to 9 p.m. today with an 8 p.m. prayer service in Green Funeral Home, Thief River Falls and one hour before services in the church.Tena Anderson was born Dec. 5, 1894, the daughter of Gustav and Petronella Anderson in Stephen, Minn., where she grew up and attended school. She then received teachers training...

Sometimes obits will mention the deathdate of a spouse--it doesn't appear in these snippets, but reading the first something happened in 1958--perhaps Hartvig passed on?


Hilsen,
Jackie M.

Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 07/01/2010 23:08:33
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Here is his World War I Draft Registration. His place of birth is given as Kristiania, Norway.



Name: Hartvig Anton Hanson
County: Marshall
State: Minnesota
Birthplace: Norway
Birth Date: 2 Dec 1886
Race: Caucasian (White)
FHL Roll Number: 1675518

Reply author: Jedi92851
Replied on: 07/01/2010 23:44:45
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I just found this myself but am checking census now to see if this is the right person since the birth date does not match. I hope it is. It's not the right one..... The rightname is Hartvig J Hanson which I just found in a census.

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 07/01/2010 23:48:02
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Hi,
Loften is likley Lofoten, I have seen it spelled Loften several times in US pages online.
There is no place named Loften in Norway to my knowledge, the closets is some farms called Lofte (Attic)

I made a quick search in the parish records for the municipalities in the Lofoten district as;
Vågan, Vestvågøy, Flakstad, Moskenes, Værøy and Røst for 1867 plus-minus about 6 mths for Margrete Lund without finding here (perhaps my search was to quick or I missed a sub parish).

In 1865 with surename Lund there were 8 persons living in Vågan and 10 in Flakstad.

Across the Lofoten Fjord for Vågan is Steigen municipality with 19 farms named Lund and 127 persons living there in 1865

Kåre.

Reply author: Jedi92851
Replied on: 07/01/2010 23:57:18
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[quote]Originally posted by jkmarler

Hi,


MARSHALL F-2 3/21/1914 HANSON, HARTVIG ANDERSON, TINA




1. Grand Forks Herald (ND) - November 26, 1999

ADELIA HANSON
Adelia Hanson, 79, Newfolden, died Wednesday, Nov. 24, 1999, in Altru Hospital, Grand Forks.Adelia Esther Hanson was born Dec. 22, 1919, the daughter of Hartvig and Tena (Anderson) Hanson, in Newfolden. She lived with her family in New Maine Township, Marshall County, Minn., until moving with her mother to Newfolden in 1958. In 1987, she began living with her sister, Beulah. She moved to Karlstad (Minn.) Health Center in August 1994 and then to a group home in Argyle, Minn., in February...


2. Grand Forks Herald (ND) - June 5, 1990

OBITUARIES TENA HANSON
Tena Hanson, 95, Newfolden, died Saturday, June 2, 1990, in Thief River Falls.Services will be at 2 p.m. Wednesday in Evangelical Free Church, Newfolden. Visitation will be from 1 to 9 p.m. today with an 8 p.m. prayer service in Green Funeral Home, Thief River Falls and one hour before services in the church.Tena Anderson was born Dec. 5, 1894, the daughter of Gustav and Petronella Anderson in Stephen, Minn., where she grew up and attended school. She then received teachers training...

Sometimes obits will mention the deathdate of a spouse--it doesn't appear in these snippets, but reading the first something happened in 1958--perhaps Hartvig passed on?

This is the wrong Hartvig also.

Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 08/01/2010 00:22:38
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Thanks, using the J helped. Here he is, unfortunately his place of birth is not given.

Name: Hartvik John Hanson
County: Marshall
State: Minnesota
Birth Date: 26 Jun 1881
Race: White
FHL Roll Number: 1675518

Reply author: Jedi92851
Replied on: 08/01/2010 00:30:05
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It is an awful coincidence that there are two Hartvig Hansons that are a couple years apart in age coming to America a couple years a part and living with just a few mile of each other in a remote part of Minnesota. I have to think they may be cousins since names do tend to be passed down in each family it seems. I'm thinking the other one may be a son of one of Edward Hansons brothers. Checking on that now. Thanks everyone.

Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 08/01/2010 00:36:27
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Interesting that Steigen is mentioned. Here is a link to NHDC 1875 Census for a Margrethe Olsdatter born 1868 living in the municipality of Steigen. A long shot at best.

http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste_e.aspx?ft=1875&knr=1848&kenr=004&bnr=0046&lnr=00

Reply author: Jedi92851
Replied on: 08/01/2010 00:46:47
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This does look interesting. The date of birth is close.

Reply author: Jedi92851
Replied on: 08/01/2010 00:49:52
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quote:

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Originally posted by lyndal40

Thanks, using the J helped. Here he is, unfortunately his place of birth is not given.

Name: Hartvik John Hanson
County: Marshall
State: Minnesota
Birth Date: 26 Jun 1881
Race: White
FHL Roll Number: 1675518

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Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 08/01/2010 01:42:31
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Here is the birth record for Margrethe. She was born July 7, 1868. So unless you have an incorrect birth date for your Maggie this is probably not the right person

#59

Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 08/01/2010 01:55:08
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You can use this site to understand the headings used across the top of the page.

http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/na22.html

Reply author: Jedi92851
Replied on: 08/01/2010 02:12:33
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That will be a great help!!
I just found where Edwards mother, Henrike Hansdatter b, 06 Jun 1828 or 1829 came over several years before him 1881. She was widowed and had 9 children, five alive in 1900. It looks like her husband, Hans Larson b 27 Aug 1824 may have died in Norway. I think many from that family settled in the same area here in Minnesota. That might be why Edward came after first his wife may have died. I did find things I wasn't even looking for. LOL

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 08/01/2010 08:05:15
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Sorry, but we can exlude Margrete Olsdatter born on Skaanland in Steigen 1868.
She married Peder Simon Willumsen Lillesæter (Peder Jacobsen Lillesæter in the 1900 census) July 1892.

Lund means a small collection of trees surrounded by fields or pasture land used in several contexts such as Birch grove, Pine grove, Oak grove etc.

Kåre

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 08/01/2010 18:31:56
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Hi,

Maggie is also a diminuitive of Magdelena. Here is a Magdalene living in Saltdalen (also born there) in 1875:

4 Magdalene Olsdatter k d ug 1868 Saltdalen b

and another born in Hol which I think may be the Hol in the Lofoten:

7 Magdalene Olsdatter k d 1869 Hols Sogn, Lød. b

Might be worth a look in the parish registers.

Here is the 2nd Magdalene's baptism. Birthdate is given as 12 June 1868:
Source information: Nordland county, Hol in Lødingen, Parish register (official) nr. 865A01 (1864-1884), Birth and baptism records 1868, page 23, #21.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=10015&idx_id=10015&uid=ny&idx_side=-27
Permanent imagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070214700414.jpg


Sorry the 2nd Magdalene also unlikely. Googled and found Dragland family assoc. webpage and her information is here:

179 Magdalena Olivia Petrike Olsdatter b: Jun 12 1868 at Dragland. Worked as a maid. m: Peter Andreas Berg Eidissen

179.1 Kaspara Nikoline Eidissen b: May 8 1891 m: Waldemar Olav Waldemarsen b: May 9 1880 [See: DFA 173.1]
179.2 Regine Regine Fredrikke Eidissen b: Oct 3 1895


The first Magdalene's baptism in Saltdal birthdate of Oct also makes her less likely:

Source information: Nordland county, Saltdal, Parish register copy nr. 847C06 (1854-1870), Birth and baptism records 1868, page 66 #50.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=16625&idx_id=16625&uid=ny&idx_side=-67
Permanent imagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20071029630425.jpg


Hilsen,
Jackie M.

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 08/01/2010 19:16:05
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Saltdal is south from Lofoten.

Magdalene Johanne Olsdatter you found in Saltdal Jackie was born Oct. 3. 1868 on Dragseid.
Her father called himslef Olin Olsen, Olin is a mixture of his former name Ole Lind (Ole Olsen Lind)

There were 60 persons with last name Lund living in Nordland County in 1865.
Lofoten is the northern district in Nordland County

Kåre

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 08/01/2010 19:46:52
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Hi,

Thanks for great map showing Lofoten. Of the familysearch parishes connected with Lofoten, these are the ones left needing looking: Borge, Buksnaes, Gimsoy, Hol (I only looked beginning in 1869 and back until I found the June Magdalene in 1868), Svolvaer, Valberg. You have looked at Vaagen, Vest Vagoy, Flakstad, Moskenes, Vaeroy, Rost.

I looked for Magdalenes since Maggie is how she was recorded in the Trondheim migrants and her marriage record in US and it is equally used short form of Magdalene and Margaret in US.

Having looked at those on Lund farms in Nordland in 1865, it might be useful to also add Brønoy and Alstahaug too (even though they are not part of Lofoten) since there are Ole heads of growing families in each of those places on Lund farms.

Hilsen,
Jackie M.

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 12/01/2010 05:08:36
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Hi,

Here is a short list of Margrethe born 1867-1868 in the following parishes in Lofoten:

Borge : Johanne Margrete b. 14 Nov 1867
Buksnaes: Dorothea Margrethe b. 9 Aug 1867
Buksnaes: Amalie Margrethe b. 14 May 1867
Buksnaes: Lovise Margrethe b. 10 Oct 1867
Buksnaes: Amalie Van_____ Margrethe b. 2 Jan 1868
Gimsoy in Vaagen: None
Hol in Lødingen: Gregine (?) Magrete b. 16 Mar 1867
Hol in Lødingen: Anna Margrethe b. 2 June 1867
Hol in Lødingen: Hansine Margrete b. 29 Aug 1867
Hol in Lødingen: Margrethe Sofie b. 16 Sept 1867
Lødingen in Lødingen: Ellen Margrete b. 31 July 1867
Tysfjord in Lødingen: Bergrethe Margrethe b. 19 Jan 1867
Valberg in Borge: None

None of these have the exact birthdate of Maggie Hanson in the US.

Searching the 1875 census at the digitalarkivet for people whose birthplaces begin with lo and whose first name contains ma found a total of 10 all but one of these were born more than 5 years out from 1867 that is 1862 and earlier. Only one was even close to the birthyear a girl named Nikoline Magrete Andreasdatter. The census says she was born in Vaagen Lofoten but her baptism was not recorded there, although her birthplace is mentioned as Vaagen in the baptismal record, but in Steigen, with her birthdate given as 25 July 1865, birthplace as Primas (?) in Vaagen and parents were unmarried man Andreas Blom Olsen and unmarried woman named Jensine Olsdatter born it looks like Orknaes in Laskestad. Laskestad is the place where this Nikoline is living in 1875 with her mother, stepfather and her grandparents.

Also I checked for an obit for Margrethe Hanson in the Grand Forks Herald and found none.

Hilsen,
Jackie M.

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 17/01/2010 20:08:52
Message:

Hi,

Since the obvious, appropriate and straight forward candidates for Margrethe have thinned out, here is a bit more about the unlikely Nikoline Margrete Andreasdatter:

Source information: Nordland county, Steigen, Parish register (official) nr. 855A09 (1864-1874), Birth and baptism records 1865, page 21.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=2620&idx_id=2620&uid=ny&idx_side=-21
Permanent imagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20050421010301.jpg

Her baptism / birth is number 57 on the page. Having studied the farm names closer the father's residence seems more like Orsnes than the Primas, I interpreted before. Deciding that sent me back to the 1865 transcription of Vaagen and here is what I found:

There is an Andreas Olsen employed on ørsnes listed in the 1865 census transcription. He was born approximately 1841 in Steigen, is single.

Then in the 1875 census there is an Andreas Ols b. about 1838 in Steigen a husmand on Lund. Perhaps he is the same as the Andreas on ørnes? Here is his family:

Circuit no. Circuit Residence no. Residence Farm no.
462 7 Steigen 68 Lund 216a1
Pers.no. Household Given name Last name Sex Family pos. Marital status Occupation Year of birth Birth place Resid. status Cattle Sheep Potatoes
2887 1 1 Andreas Olsen m hf g Husmd med Jord og Fisker 1838 Stegens S. og Pgld. b 1 6 2
2888 2 Ragnild Andersdatter k Hans Kone g 1845 Jordanger Sogn Hafslo Pgld. i Sogn b
2889 3 Oluf Andreasen m Son Forsorges af Fadern 1868 Stegens S. og Pgld. b
2890 4 Martin Andreasen m Son Forsorges af Fadern 1871 Stegens S. og Pgld. b
2891 5 Leonard Andreasen m Son Forsorges af Fadern 1874 Stegens S. og Pgld.

Nikoline is not a perfect candidate. Her birth year, birth month do not match the US records. Her given name is not Margrete but Nikoline, only her middle name is Margrete. Her father's name is not Ole although her father's patronymic name is Olsen, and her morfar is Ole Abrahamsen. She was born in the Lofoten islands however and raised elsewhere, even if it's just across the water. A further connection to Trondein (Trondenes or Trondhjem) would have to be found.

If the Andreas outlined above is the same man as her father there is a small, tenuous avenue to the use of the Lund name. (Their birthyears differ in the census transcriptions) I haven't found Nikoline in any records after 1875, neither she, nor her mother, stepfather, her grandparents were on Laskestad in the 1900 census.


Jackie M.

Reply author: Jedi92851
Replied on: 18/01/2010 16:54:25
Message:

Thank you Jackie for all your time and hard work. The information you have found is all very good but it doesn't quite fit well enough to make me comfortable enough to use it but I certainly will keep it in mind. I do think she could have very likely been born to unwed parents and that could be the reason there has been no information about family or siblings. I wish I had more information to give you. You know that name Nikoline just rung a bell. Her first born and a daughter has that middle name. Hmmmm!

The more I look at this...the better it looks.

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 18/01/2010 18:05:48
Message:

Hi Jedi,

Nikoline Margrete's grandmother, mormor is named Nikoline so very likely the source for that name.

Yes, the possible connection is a stretch and you should continue to seek someone who might be a better match to the data you have in US.

Good Luck to you!

Jackie M.

Reply author: Jedi92851
Replied on: 18/01/2010 18:26:27
Message:

This is the first place I have ever seen the name Nikoline. It may be common in Norway but I have followed many generations in my tree and have seen the way they keep using certain names in families and also how they use their middle names rather than first names. I also have seen where the wrong dates of births have been recorded. My first grandfathers birth date was 2 years off in most records I found. Even my own mother didn't know her real first name until just before she died. I will keep an open mind but this really does look good. I need to follow up on this. Thank you so much.

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 18/01/2010 18:36:16
Message:

Hi Jedi,

Here is Nikoline Margrete's confirmation in Steigen 1881:

Source information: Nordland county, Steigen, Parish register copy nr. 855C05 (1879-1894), Confirmation records 1881, page 136.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=15757&idx_id=15757&uid=ny&idx_side=-107
Permanent imagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070828680107.jpg

Also searched this for Nikoline to see if permission granted her to go to Trondhjem or America, none found:
Source information: Nordland county, Steigen, Parish register copy nr. 855C05 (1879-1894), Emigration records 1879-1893, page 350-356

Marriage of Andreas Olsen and Ragnild is #14, birthdate is even more removed from 1841 ish and his middle name is given as Karl not Blom:
Source information: Nordland county, Steigen, Parish register (official) nr. 855A09 (1864-1874), Marriage records 1867, page 155.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=2620&idx_id=2620&uid=ny&idx_side=-155
Permanent imagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20050421010435.jpg

Nikoline's mother Jensine's baptismal #4:
Source information: Nordland county, Steigen, Parish register (official) nr. 855A07 (1834-1852), Birth and baptism records 1843, page 104-105.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=2618&idx_id=2618&uid=ny&idx_side=-57
Permanent imagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20050421020911.jpg

Looking at my Norwegian atlas there is a whole island called Lund in Steigen. The ferry crosses over from Svolvaer right past Lundoy landing at Skutvik then at Bogen further south. Not sure where Laskestad is in relation to all. Orsnes is on the water on Vaagen on the side of the island just across from Steigen.

Another good source is the "faddernes" at the baptisms of Margrethe's children, having the names might turn up a relative of hers in US.

Jackie M.

Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 18/01/2010 20:47:12
Message:

You will find 4 "Lund (Gårdsbruk), Steigen, Nordland" - use this map.

Reply author: Jedi92851
Replied on: 18/01/2010 20:58:16
Message:

Can you make out anymore of this information or names on her birth page here: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=2620&idx_id=2620&uid=ny&idx_side=-21

Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 18/01/2010 23:33:20
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Record no. 57:
Nikoline Margrete was born July 25 at Ørsnæs in Vaagen Parish and baptized Oct. 1 at home by Peder A. Benjaminsen, Ørsnæs, this was confirmed in church Oct. 16 1865. Nikoline Margretes parents were bachelor and servant at Ørsnæs Andreas Blom Olsen and maiden Jensine Olsdatter born at Ørsnæs, living at Laskestad.
Witnesses at the baptism: Lorentze Olsdatter, Laskestad, Johanna Knudsdatter, Laskestad, Kristofer Kristiansen, Laskestad, Ole Abrahamsen, Laskestad, Henrike Hansdatter, Laskestad.
Jensine Olsdatter with Nikoline and her parents in the 1865 census.

Reply author: Jedi92851
Replied on: 19/01/2010 00:19:22
Message:

Thanks so much again.....I sure couldn't get that out of there.

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 19/01/2010 18:13:04
Message:

Hi,

Going back to an old note... Here are the listings of obits for Ole O. Lund at the Pennington County Historical site:

Lund Ole O. 20-Dec-1934 79 Greenwood Tri-County Forum
Lund Ole O. 27-Dec-1934 79 Greenwood TRF Times

And the headstone reading from the same site:
Lund Ole O. 4/2/1855 12/18/1934 79 EG 1 97 3

Now this Ole would not be old enough to be Maggie's father but could be a brother or cousin (or not related at all!). The obits were pretty reasonable last time I ordered (at about $2/each) so you might want to roll the dice....

Does Maggie's obit list a funeral home or church for her service? Sometimes funeral homes have the best records...
If the church was ALC (American Lutheran), the existing registers from churches belonging to that group were microfilmed in the 1970s and are loanable from the ELCA archives in Chicago (for a fee, of course.) If she and Edward were members of a Lutheran church which ended up in the ALC, perhaps the kids baptisms are to be found with the godparents names listed.

As it is, it seems that Maggie is pretty consistent with in records regarding her age. The Trondhjem leaving list: age 24; age at first marriage (from the 1930 census) 26, etc.

Jackie M.

Reply author: Jedi92851
Replied on: 19/01/2010 18:34:19
Message:

I need to find the obit I did order for Maggie a year ago....it's around here somewhere but did not find anything in it. There are so many Lunds and Olsons in Minnesota and that came over from Norway. I was just looking yesterday. It is pretty definite that she came over in 1891. That is the one fact that I believe is true. Lofoten I believe is a really strong fact also. Her birth in 1867 is real strong. In all census she is 12 years younger than Edward.....his age is accurate. Her name is so many possibilities. There are lots of Nikolines in Norway also. That name is really common. Don't know what to think.

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 19/01/2010 20:29:32
Message:

Hi,

Here are the listings for Maggie Hanson's obits at the pvillage site. Do you remember which one (s) you might have ordered?:

Hanson Edward J. Mrs. 06-Mar-1941 73 Times
Hanson Maggie 06-Mar-1941 73 Viking Tri-County Forum
Hanson Maggie 05-Mar-1941 73 Viking Sheaf

The editors may have copied each other's obit but then again they may have also tweaked the information for their publications. The Sheaf is the Warren Sheaf, a paper in Marshall county, the other two are (I think) Thief River Falls papers.

You haven't said much about Margaret's children. Did the girls marry and to whom?

Are there any other parishes in Norway which Norwegians might treat or think of as part of Lofoten? (Hadsel, Sortland, or which?)

The earlier list was from the familysearch.org site, but depending on the time might other parishes be included in a description of Lofoten?

It appears that the vast majority of people who included or gave Lofoten as part of their birthplace were living elsewhere than the actual Lofoten parishes in the 1875 census transcriptions. Lofoten might be a quick way of saying where you're from rather than mentioning a specific parish by name which might be a more obscure reference.

Who was the informant on Maggie's death certificate?

Sorry, I'm pushy, too...

Hilsen,
Jackie M.

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 06/02/2011 23:48:40
Message:

Hi,

Today while looking through a Gudbrandsdalaget membership list published in 1925-26 I saw a couple of folks whose last name was given as Loften and that they came from nordre Fron.

There were several farms named Løften in n Fron in the 1875 census, no daughter named Margit or Margrethe, etc. but from there I did look in the parish registers for 1867-1868. Again no Margrethe but there was a Marit Olsdatter born on one of the birthdates given in the original post: 14 June 1867. She would be #88 (but the page is torn or curled).

Source information: Oppland county, Nord-Fron, Parish register (official) nr. 2 (1865-1883), Birth and baptism records 1867, page 26.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=6077&idx_id=6077&uid=ny&idx_side=-28
Permanent imagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070115640028.jpg


And here is the baptismal record for the daughter Marit in one of the families on Løften in the 1875 census. She is #117:

Source information: Oppland county, Nord-Fron, Parish register (official) nr. 2 (1865-1883), Birth and baptism records 1865, page 9.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=6077&idx_id=6077&uid=ny&idx_side=-11
Permanent imagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070115640011.jpg


Hope this helps....

Hilsen,
Jackie M.

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 03/02/2013 10:58:34
Message:

Here is a possible to vette:

PRO
Ulrika Margrethe Olsdatter
born 14 June 1867 Nærøy
mother's name is Nikoline
very tenuous connection to someplace with Lund as part of the name. Moholt is farm/place of residence at time of confirmation. In the 1865 census there is a farm in Strinda named Moholt Karinelund.
confirmed 1883 Trondheim

CON
no strong known or obvious connection to Lund
Nærøy does not equal Loften/Lofoten

#62
Source information: Nord-Trøndelag county, Nærøy, Parish register (official) nr. 784A05 (1860-1876), Birth and baptism records 1867, page 63.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=2524&idx_id=2524&uid=ny&idx_side=-67

#55
Source information: Sør-Trøndelag county, Vår Frue kirke in Trondheim, Parish register (official) nr. 602A17 (1880-1901), Confirmation records 1883, page 152.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=3032&idx_id=3032&uid=ny&idx_side=-159

Reply author: Jedi92851
Replied on: 03/02/2013 14:57:39
Message:

I did find where she had told a relative that she was from Lofoten, Norway. The year of her birth is right in your records. I think Lund may have been the name of the farm she was from in Norway from what I understand they took those names when they came to the states as my other ancestors did. Thank you for looking. She also said she had grown up in Trondheim.

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 03/02/2013 15:59:37
Message:

Lofoten has following 6 municipalities;
Vestvågøy, Vågan, Flakstad, Moskenes, Værøy and Røst.

Kåre

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 03/02/2013 20:42:50
Message:

A completely different tack here. Did any relatives of Margrethe visit her from Norway? Looking at the Trondhjem departures, for any last name containing "Lund", with residence containing "rond", with destination containing "Min" was this woman whose destination was to her sister at Holt Minnesota:


Year Page Line no. Serial no. New group Date of reg. Date Date of departure Given name Last name Marital status Family pos. Occupation Sex Age Date of birth Residence Destination Line Ship Freight (spd/kr) Freight (øre) Ticket Purpose Travel permissions Remarks


167652 1915 361 30 539 1 27.04.1915 Agnes Fredrikke Lund ug Tjenestepike k 1894 Trondhjem Holt, Minn. Norske via Bergen Bill. bet. i Amerika Reiser til sin Søster Pr.att.


Here is probably the traveller Agnes Lund in 1910. Unlikely that Margrethe is her sister since Agnes' father was born 1869:

http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01036806047512

Here is Agnes' family in the 1900 census, living at Trondheim but her father Ole Andreas Lund born Trondheim but temporarily ? at Aalesund which is in Nordland More og Romsdal but not Lofoten. Bad geography alert !

http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=f01601&personpostnr=23729&merk=23729

Ole Andreas Lund, Agnes' father was confirmed in Trondheim and his parents were listed as Peter Lund and Karoline:

http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=52&filnamn=KF16011878d&gardpostnr=825&personpostnr=2473&merk=2473#ovre

Reply author: Jedi92851
Replied on: 03/02/2013 21:02:11
Message:

I have not heard about any of her Norwegian family but Holt, Minnesota is only a couple miles from where she lived here.

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 03/02/2013 21:27:15
Message:

Don't know if the Agnes Lund search is worth more effort. She did return to America in 1921 after living here from 1915-1919. On her return she married Christian Johnson and by 1930 they had at least 2 daughters and were living in Baudette, Minn.

Long shot....

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 03/02/2013 22:10:06
Message:

Among the indices to the records of the parishes in Trondhjem are in and out migrants. Here is one to the domkirken, last name Lund coming from Flakstad which is part of Lofoten:

Trondheim Domkirke Mini 601.A26 646 3 1884 .1877 Domkirken Innflyttar Skomager Johan Andreas Lund M Søndre gade, Flakstad Flakstad 1854 f. og d. i Flakstad, konf. samme sted 1871

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 29/12/2020 18:18:01
Message:

quote:

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Originally posted by Jedi92851

Edward was married to Dorthea and I found somewhere where it was stated his first marriage was in 1880. I've bee trying to find that. His first two children where Hartvig b June 1882 and Alma D in b Jan 1884. I also have been trying to find where they were born in Norway. That makes his two younger children Hannah and Clara who he left behind in Norway born between 1885 and the time he came to the states in 1889. I have been looking into who might have taken them in. They must have been too young for him to take. Dorthea, their mother, may have died...I have to assume. I know nothing more about those two girls.
Edward was in the Tune, Østfold, Norway census-1865.
Born at Opstadalen Aug 7
Baptized Johan Edvard Sept 2 1855

I also had googled Loften and was wondering if it was meant as Lofoten since there was so many misspellings in the old notes I found. I am really bad at the digitalarkivet since I know no Norwegian and am trying translate what to put in what boxes there.
It doesn't appear from what I have found that Margrethes descendants knew much of her past or family. I find nothing about siblings or parents in her obit. There is a possibility she did not have much of a family...adopted or such. I have found some pretty tough things with persistence in the past just when I was ready to give up.

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Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 31/12/2020 11:36:18
Message:

A matching arrival in Philadelphia on "Lord Gough" in 1891:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QV9W-PN5K

Reply author: Jedi92851
Replied on: 14/04/2022 00:03:01
Message:

Could someone kindly translate the other names for me. I have found this is my great-grandmother, Ulrikka Margrethe was her given name. She used the name Margrethe O. Lund when she came to America. Thank you!
#62
Source information: Nord-Trøndelag county, Nærøy, Parish register (official) nr. 784A05 (1860-1876), Birth and baptism records 1867, page 63.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=2524&idx_id=2524&uid=ny&idx_side=-67

Reply author: Myhrecharlie
Replied on: 14/04/2022 14:47:02
Message:

Translated church book page
(https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000006238464)
The list of witness appear to be first names
Ole, Halvor, Adolf, Jonelle?, unknown ?, Margrethe Laugen?

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 14/04/2022 20:22:03
Message:

quote:

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Originally posted by Jedi92851

Could someone kindly translate the other names for me. I have found this is my great-grandmother, Ulrikka Margrethe was her given name. She used the name Margrethe O. Lund when she came to America. Thank you!
#62
Source information: Nord-Trøndelag county, Nærøy, Parish register (official) nr. 784A05 (1860-1876), Birth and baptism records 1867, page 63.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=2524&idx_id=2524&uid=ny&idx_side=-67

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Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 14/04/2022 21:00:20
Message:

Here she is with her family in 1875 and very possibly her maternal grandparents:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01052393004520

Marriage of her parents:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/327/pv00000006299427

Her parents living with maternal grandparents in 1865 census:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01038343001349

Maggie's mother and siblings going by Lund in 1891 census in Trondheim:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01053073016308

Her mother Nicoline's birth /baptism transcription:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000039952925

Probably her mother's death in 1930:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/267/pg00000005447205

Her sister's Nettie's marriage in 1896
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/327/pv00000000972157

Nettie Oline Sperati in 1925:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01063300055654

Netta died 27 June 1926:
https://www.nb.no/items/83c784e1e5c8057d98f1a57c0fbf597a?page=5&searchText=%22robert%20sperati%22

Possibly marriage of sister Karen Johanne:
https://www.nb.no/items/afaf52813fb7bd6d039f5871539e22f3?page=1&searchText=%22karen%20johanne%20lund%22

Possibly sister Karen Johanne in 1900 census
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01037464000306

Possibly sister Karen Johanne in 1910 census:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01036806050018

Possibly sister Karen Johanne in 1934 census:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01063301003854

The brother Olaf Nicholai Olsen in 1925 census:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01063300025372

#46 brother Olaf Nikolai birth /baptism:
Ministerialprotokoller, klokkerbøker og fødselsregistre - Sør-Trøndelag, SAT/A-1456/606/L0294: Parish register (official) no. 606A09, 1878-1886, p. 176
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070420640094

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 15/04/2022 07:02:31
Message:

Way interesting. Olava's dodfallsprotokal at the very bottom of the right hand page continues on the next:
Trondheim byfogd, SAT/A-0003/1/3/3L/L0014: Dødsanmeldelsesprotokoll, 1928-1930, p. 323
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/sk60065033000375

Neither Maggie nor any of the daughters mentioned as surviving but it does say her husband Ole Knudsen Lund died in America. The informant is the son Olaf Nicholai Olsen (Lund)

Norway Heritage Community : http://www.norwayheritage.com/snitz/