Gunhild Bjornsdotter born 6/30/1782?

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Topic author: heidithoe
Subject: Gunhild Bjornsdotter born 6/30/1782?
Posted on: 14/03/2010 18:46:05
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Hello my fellow Norwegian Heritage fans.

My information states that my gggg-grandmother Gunhild Bjørnsdtr was born 6/30/1782, daughter of Bjørn Torgrimson and Asse Andersdtr in Maurud, Gransherad, Norway.

Image my excitement when I found this site:
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wijuneau/havegen/pafg09.htm#3897
#162 is Bjørn Torgrimson.
Unfortunately, the Gunhild Bjørnsdotter only lived to 6 years old?

Having trouble confirming this is the same relative. I have used the resources listed on these posts, but my Norwegian language is poor and on top of that, I have troubles reading the handwritten script documents dated 1782.
Help?

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Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 14/03/2010 19:26:16
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It sure looks like the same Gunhild.
Here is the family in census-1801.

How have you traced your ancestry back to Gunhild Bjørnsdtr?

Jan Peter

Reply author: heidithoe
Replied on: 14/03/2010 20:54:54
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Hi Jan Peter,
I have a typed document stating the following:

Jacob Halvorsen Bredsvoll Hem (b-1770) married Gunhild Bjornsdtr (6/30/1782)
one of their daughters is Anne Jacobsdtr Hem (b-1810)
Don't know how many children they have? My research on this is coming up with tons of ?s

Anne Jacobsdtr Hem marries Christen Chritiansen Thoe (or To) on April 1st 1832 in Gransherad.
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?show=115&uid=54844&urnread_imagesize=full&hode=nei&ls=1
They have 6 children
They emigrate to Wisconsin sometime between 1848 and 1852.

Their 4th child Halvor Chistenson Tho (or Thoe as we are now called) marries Helga Andersdtr
Their 5th child is Anton Thoe marries Anne Aasen
Their only son James is my grandfather.

Whoo, that's a lot of info... I get lost at Anne Jacobsdatter Hem.
- Heidi

Reply author: heidithoe
Replied on: 14/03/2010 20:57:35
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Could she have moved off the farm by then and married Jacob by the 1801 census?

Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 14/03/2010 21:19:09
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Their 4th child Halvor Chistenson Tho (or Thoe as we are now called) marries Helga Andersdtr

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Jacob Halvorsen married Gunhild Bjornsdtr

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Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 14/03/2010 22:13:04
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Gunnilds' parents could thus be Biørn Hansen & Anne Hansdatter. This Gunhild is christened 18 Jun 1780.
Census-1801

Jan Peter

Reply author: heidithoe
Replied on: 14/03/2010 22:38:30
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Perfect, mange tukk to the both of you ...

Reply author: heidithoe
Replied on: 15/03/2010 01:47:49
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How can I find when Anne Jacobdotter Hem's was christened?

Did Gunnild stay at the Hem farm or did she move to another farm when she married Jacob?

My records list Jacob (Gunnild's spouse) full name as Jacob Halvorsen Bredsvoll Hem. Could this be right?

-Heidi

Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 15/03/2010 09:39:20
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Jacob was baptized at Gransherad church March 16 1771, see 4th record on left page, his parents were Halvor Bresvold and Anne Marie Tohe.
Jacob Halvorsen, his mother (widow) and brother and sister in 1801.
Gunnil Bjørnsdatter, her parents and siblings in 1801.
Anne Jacobsdatter will most likely be found either in Sauherad (where the parents married) or possibly in Hjartdal, both parishes in Telemark.

Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 15/03/2010 11:01:55
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Anne Jacobsdatter was confirmed 1824, see #1, right page. It says that she was baptized in Gransherad Annex church March 31 1810, see last record in 2nd column. She was born Febr 28 1810, her parents Jacob H., Bresvold and Gunild Biørnsdatter.

Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 15/03/2010 11:18:09
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Christen Christiansen who married Anne Jacobsdatter could be Christian Christiansen, born June 19 1808, see 2nd record left column.
His father was Christian Halvorsen, Rugholdt under Bredsvold and his mother was Anne Leivsdatter.

Reply author: heidithoe
Replied on: 15/03/2010 15:34:45
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Wooo, scandalous––they were cousins it appears. Well I guess that was somewhat common back then?

What does Mugholdt under Bresvold mean?

And how did we get the Thoe name? Gggg grandma Annne Marie Tohe, or did Christen and Anne move off the Rugholt farm to the To farm in Gransherad?
There immigration docs say they were from Gransherad, but where?

I notice the municipality area changes names and borders through the years. Very confusing.

Eibache, your too kind! ... let me know if you happen upon questions on this same family, I would be glad to help them find their cousins here in the US!

Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 15/03/2010 18:24:34
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What does Mugholdt under Bresvold mean?

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Reply author: heidithoe
Replied on: 15/03/2010 23:33:44
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Eibache - That makes sense I will look into that.

Hopkins - I doubt we have royal blood, so this is one of those little dark secrets of the past.

Ecks, please don't compare the two countries, I would never do that. This is simply me stubbing through Norway's history.

I'm aware that Grasherad is in Telemark, but I having trouble determining what farms are considered Grasherad. I think that changes throught the years, as farms split off, as you say.
When you go back in the census and parish records it is Hjterdal, or Heddal to find Gransherad parish information. Gransherad is part of Nodden and finally became a municipality in the 1800's during the migration up the Tinn.

But there are a few Tho or To farms in the area. How can I be sure which one is the farm they had connection too. In otherwords, I'm not sure if the To farm in Hjterdal or the one in the town of Gransherad (part of the Li farm)?

Off to find a Bygebøker.

Thanks for the lead on the Bresvold name.

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 16/03/2010 00:14:51
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Hi,

There were three Hem farms in 1801, Hem Nordre, Hem Søndre and Hem Lille where my gggrandmother Anne Jacobsdatter was born 1801.

When she married 1823 Rollev Hansen from Hem Søndre and Sigur Ellefsen from Hem Nordre were best men.

Hem is located north in Sauherad municipality at the south western side of Lake Hedalsvannet.

The christian cermonies was taken place in Sauherad Church from 1150.

Here is picture of the old bridal chair as the bride and the groom used.

It´s a while since I worked with Nordre and Søndre Hem, I remember that Nordre Hem goes back to Borgar Hem from the Gentry mentioned in a document 1337 and Søndre Hem which goes back to "Fehirde" the kings treasure master Mathias Torgeirsson in Tønsberg town which died during the Black plague 1349-50.

Hans Hansen and Bjørn Hansen Hem from the 1801 census were brothers and born to Hans Hansen Hem 1713- Nov. 3.1749 and Margit Bjørnsdatter 1723- March 8. 1798.
Any connection to the treasure master and to Nordre Hem I do not know at this time

A curiosity;
In 1800 there were 4 Hans Hansen living under the same roof in Søndre Hem, 3 in 1801, the 4. Hans age 24 worked in Skien town.

If you are interested I can put up a family tree, need some time to see how fare your family from Søndre Hem goes back.

Kåre

Reply author: heidithoe
Replied on: 16/03/2010 01:09:06
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Oh, what a nice offer...
When I was first doing my research, I came upon a post from a couple years ago. You were advising some one on a Annes Jacobdøtter Hem from the lille Hem farm. Alas, as I read further found it wasn't my relative. I would love to see if we could look into my Anne from Søndre Hem!

Reply author: heidithoe
Replied on: 16/03/2010 01:19:30
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Sorry Hopkins, I did misread your post.

And it would seem, I was wrong about migrating too, it was more like "taming" of the Tinn, (i.e.modernization):
http://www.telelaget.com/telemark/notodden.htm

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 16/03/2010 21:59:26
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Hi,
it took me some time to confirm the information I got from my late Grandma;
two names, a strange last name, two miltary brothers.
I was not out until the records were online I managed to find out which Anne Jacobsdatter Hem that was my Anne.

I have some information for you I found in my papers.

To understand Norwegian naming practise which ended about 1900 it goes like this.
Hans son was Hansen and his daughter Hansdatter.
Ole´s son was Olsen and his daughter Olsdatter.
Jacob´s son was Jacobsen and his daughter Jacobsdatter-dotter.

Hans Hansen Hem (Sud Hem) who died young in 1743 was born to;
Hans Olsen Hem d. 1716 and Liv Anundsdotter 1670-1744 from farm Hougsrud (Høgsrud) in Sauherad, 9 children, 5 grew up.

They engaged June 1. and married July 8. 1696, see 5 column 2. section from the top;

Onsdag 8 july copu...i Saude kirke Hans Olsen Hem og Liv Anundsdatter
Wedensday July 8. married in Sauherad church Hans Olsen Hem and Liv Anundsdatter.

- Hans Olsen Hem was born to;
Ole Høljesen ab 1630-78 from Helleberg in Gransherad and Aaste Olsdatter Hem 1636-1732

- Aaste Olsdatter Hem was born to;
Ole Taraldsen Hem ab 1610-80 and Aslaug Bjørnsdatter.
Ole Taraldsen settled down on farm Bøen in Gransherad when his daughter Aaste Olsdtr. and Ole Høljesen takes over Hem, Ole Taraldsen died on Bøen, his probate register (not online ) is dated July 18. 1680.

Here are the priests in Sauherad back to 1366.

More information will come later.

Kåre

Reply author: heidithoe
Replied on: 16/03/2010 23:23:56
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This is great!!!
I will put this in my geneology program on my computer tonight.

I love this stuff. Thanks a million Kåre!!

Reply author: heidithoe
Replied on: 17/03/2010 01:20:23
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So if I'm following correctly ...

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Originally posted by Kåarto

Hans Hansen Hem (Sud Hem) who died young in 1743 was born to;
Hans Olsen Hem d. 1716 and Liv Anundsdotter 1670-1744 from farm Hougsrud (Høgsrud) in Sauherad, 9 children, 5 grew up.

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Reply author: heidithoe
Replied on: 17/03/2010 01:56:02
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Hopkins - So do you happen to know who Aaste's other siblings are?
I will put Guri down in my records as a sibling, do you have her birth and death dates.

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 17/03/2010 14:14:37
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Hi.
You are right, Hans Olsen Hem D. 1716 married to Liv Anundsdatter is the father to Hans Hansen Hem.

First born son was named after his fathers father, first born daughter after her fathers mother, 2. son after his mothers fathers, 2. daughter after her mothers mother, there were rules for 3. 4. 5. born child too, but I do not remember that.

Traditional naming practice and rules where not always followed.

If a widow married often her first born son was named after her deceased husband to honor him, I think to remember because of that it were four Hans Hansen living on Hem in 1800.

I have the names of Aastes 5 siblings and where they settled down, guess Hopkins also know.
Three sisters inherit parts in Hem, but it was Aaste who settled down there.

Hem is a very exiting family Hopkins and Heidi.

Kåre

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 17/03/2010 15:00:27
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Hi.

Continue with Ole Taraldsen Hem´s parents.

He was born to Tarald Olsen 1575-1671, he married as a widower 1655 to Gunild Olsdatter (from Tinn?), she lived 1680.
The sheriff wrote Tarald was 107 years when he died, the priest wrote 97 years (not found his death record)

Tarald had 5 children with his first wife (unknown name), only mentioned as Tarald´s "Quinde" wife.

Children;
- Torgeir d before 1672
- Ole (your Ole) 1610-80 mentied earlier
- Aslaug, lived 1686 married Kittil Amundsen Øvre (Upper) Holtan
- Ingeborg d 1659, inherit half of farm Gjestrud in Heddal parish, married to Sigurd Tollefsen Nordre (Northern) Hem
- Ragnild d before 1672, inherit the other pert in Gjestrud, married to Vetle Vegheim.

Tarald Olsen Hem is mentioned 1602 and was owner of Sud (Søndre) Hem 1610 and owned a part in farm Busnes in Gransherad.

Tarald must have been a rich man, he loaned money to others and had secured mortage on 9 farms in Telemark.

Kåre

Reply author: heidithoe
Replied on: 17/03/2010 23:13:41
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Originally posted by Kåarto



I have the names of Aastes 5 siblings and where they settled down, guess Hopkins also know.
Three sisters inherit parts in Hem, but it was Aaste who settled down there.

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Reply author: heidithoe
Replied on: 17/03/2010 23:26:28
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Kåre you mentioned something that caught my eye earlier ...

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Originally posted by Kåarto



Ole Taraldsen settled down on farm Bøen in Gransherad when his daughter Aaste Olsdtr. and Ole Høljesen takes over Hem...

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Reply author: heidithoe
Replied on: 17/03/2010 23:51:54
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I answered my own question ...

If Anne Jacobsdtr Hem was born there, clearly her father must have moved to the farm.
But how does that work? The family with the biggest farm gets the new family member?

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 18/03/2010 00:19:11
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Hi,
yes, a woman could inherit land after her parents, but when she married it became her husbands property.
If she became a widow she was only owner (Tax payer) until she married again or a child takes over the farm.

If she married again her children from the 1 marriage were heirs to the farm.

Only the names of the tax payers was in the interest of the outhority (the king).

Abut the Bredevold information I have not read the Gransherad book, your information can be confirmed there

Aastes siblings:
- Bjørn 1647-99 married Aslaug Torgrimsdtr from Nisi in Gransherad
- Torbjørn married Margit Torgrimsdtr Nisi
- Tårån married Kittil Høljesen from Helleberg, Gransherad
- Guri 1651-1735 married 1676 to Gunleik Høljesen from Helleberg.
- Gunne married Torkel Høljesen Helleberg, moved to Hem and later settled down on Dale in Sauherad

Aaste, Gunne and Guri inherit Hem, Tårån inherit a part in farm Bøen.

Kåre

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 18/03/2010 00:25:07
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Tarald Olsen Hem 1575-1671, his parents;

Olav/Ole Olsen 1542-93 from Skjerven in Lardal and NN (unknown 1. name) Nerisdatter, daughter of Neri from Nordre (Northern) Hem, three children;
- Tarald 1575-1671
- Hælgje d 1686 married Halvor Torgrimson from Nisi in Gransherad
- Olav settled down on Tveiten in Heddal which was his inherit after his grandmother Aslaug Ormsdatter Hem from the old Borgar family on Nordre (Northern) Hem.

Amazing, your ancestors came from both Nordre and Søndre Hem.

Nordre Hem goes fare back, Borgar Hem is mentioned in a document (online) from 1337, I tell you about Borgar and his people after I have finished Søndre Hem.

Ole/Olav Olsen from Skjerven in Lardal was born to;
Olav Olsen Skjerven (Olav Winter) d after 1555, local judge in Lardal mentioned in several documents and Helga Mattiasdatter from Tufte at Skien in Telemark.
Helga was born to Mattias Mattiiasen Nielsson mentioned in documents from 1481, d before 1530 and Karin Anundsdatter, he owned farms in Vestfold, Buskerud and Telemark Counties.

Matias Mattiassen Nielsson´s grandfather Mattias Torgeirsson was king Magnus V "Fehirde" in Tønsberg from 1343-47.
"Fehirde" was member of the kings Guard and resposible for his cattle, property, money and the kings account.

In this document written on parchment from 1347 kept in the Norwegian archives king Magnus gives his "Fehirde" Mattias Torgeirsson authority regarding exchange of land with Gunnvald on Kaaretveit (Kårtved in Fiskum parish, Buskerud County)

Kåre

Reply author: heidithoe
Replied on: 18/03/2010 04:16:32
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No worries Hopkins, we completely understand!

Kåre was able to help me. He has been so generous to share his research on the Hem farms.

I'm very interested in the names of immediate family members––not so much the cousins. I love the dates, and locations of farms too! My goal is to make a visit next summer with my husband and siblings to see the churches and countryside of Telemark! Can't wait!!!

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 18/03/2010 14:26:20
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Hi Hopkins, my information was also coming from p 626, could be the dates has been updatet in a new version of Sauherad Bygdebok since you have more dates than I.
Your dates seems correct to me.

Olav Olsen Skjerven´s daughter Karen Olsdatter 1511-90 married my forefather Rolf Torsteinsen 1495-1970 from Hvam and Søum in Sandsvær parish in Buskerud, his father Torstein Rolfsen settled down on Lindeheim in Sauherad, he married Torny (Tonne) Torbjørnsdatter Lindheim.

Your Aaste Olsdatter 1636-1732 married 2. time to descendant to Torstein and Torny, Nils Torsteinsen Lindheim.

The families on Hem and Lindheim were good friends and were involved in the hard struggles with loss of human life to people from Haukvik in Sauherad in the 1300´s.

I have worked with these families earlier here in this forum, but since new farms and families are mentioned it may seem confusing to mix these two topics.

Kåre

Reply author: heidithoe
Replied on: 18/03/2010 19:46:26
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Hello,
How can I get my hands on a Bygbok?

I know I could go to my library and have one order check out. Is it even possible to get my hands on a copy permanently?

Reply author: heidithoe
Replied on: 18/03/2010 23:10:36
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Kåre~
I'm having troubles with the dates. On your first post you mentioned that Mattias Toreirsson dead during the black plague (1349-50).
When reading the following lines ...

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Originally posted by Kåarto


... Mattias Mattiiasen mentioned in documents from 1481, d before 1530 and Karin Anundsdatter, he owned farms in Vestfold, Buskerud and Telemark Counties.

Matias Mattiasen´s father Mattias Torgeirsson was king Magnus V "Fehirde" in Tønsberg from 1343-47.
"Fehirde" was member of the kings Guard and resposible for his cattle, property, money and the kings account.

Kåre

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Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 19/03/2010 00:35:09
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Hi.
Sorry, I missed one generation, many names and dates, easy to get lost.

Fehirde Mattias Torgeirsson´s son was
- Niels Mattiasen mentioned 1446-81, "Lagrettemann" Local judge, owned Søndre Vegheim. His son was;
- Mattias Nielsson (not Mattias Mattiassen) mentioned from 1481, Local judge, d 1530 married to Karin Anundsdatter.

Even the Fehirde was a member of the royal guard he was not trained as a soldier in using weapons as the kings bodyguards. When he traveled around he had guards who traveled with him.
He was an educated man.

Guess you want the link to Borgar Hem, a very exiting family.

It has to wait until tomorrow.

Kåre

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 19/03/2010 12:30:47
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Hi,
some add, info.

This document (owned by priest S. O. Wolff) from Sept 22. 1481, all six seals are gone, shows both Niels Mattiasson and his son Mattias Nielsson as "Lagrettemenn" local judges in a case concerning inheritance of the widow Ragnhild and a relative to her deceased husband, see here
Down page heading "Brevtekst" (fra den trykte utgaven): 3 line .....Nielss Mattissson Mattis Nielsson........loghrættis men (lagrettemenn)

Tønsberg June 28. 1533, here.
Jugde in Court of appeal Jon Jonsen Pakke and Olav Olavsson (Olaf Olaffson) Skjerven at the request of their "Vermoder" Mother in law, wife Karen, widow of Matthis Nilsson, who change land with Rolf Torstensen (Olav Olavsson Skjerven´s son in law) in farm Søndre Lindheim in Nes parish (Sauherad) in Telemark which retained half of Southern Lindheim in exchange for land in farms Kaupmansnes, Hvam and Reine in Sandsvær municipality (Buskerud County)

March18. 1542.
Ola Olavsson Skjerven change land in farm Brenne in Telemark with Hedde Hedssøn and recieve right to Salomon fisheries in Kjærra watefall in Styrvold in Lardal (more information in the left margin)

Kåre

Reply author: heidithoe
Replied on: 20/03/2010 18:28:35
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Thank you, thank you, thank you.

So how did the Hem farm get it's name? I see it spelled ... "Søndre Vegheim" and "Søndre Lindheim in Nes parish". Any neat story about all that? What was the practice of naming land way back then?

Also if you would like I would be interested in the Nordre Hem history too. ...But only if your not to tired of digging in the book. I'm always up for a history lesson, family related or not. :)

Now I'm off to start my spring planting...finally 70#730; in New England!

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 20/03/2010 21:33:04
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Hi Heidi.
Vegheim and Lindheim is two other farms in Sauherad.

The name Hem/Hæm/Hæme goes back to at least 1300s, the farmland was probably cleared about 2000 years ago.
Hem could have meant just Home if the name was of recent date, but the origin is much older, coming from the old norse Haheimr, a mixture of the two words Heimr and Har/Hor;
Heimr means Home and Har/Hor means Height.
Fits well sine the farm is 104 meters higher with sloping terrain down towards lake Heddalsvannet

Fehirde Mattias Torgeirsson, Olav Olsen Skjerven, Helga Mattisdtr, Rolf Torsteinsen Hvam and Torny Torbjørnsdatter Lindheim are my ancestors.
Lindheim and Nordre Hem were close allies (some married) in the struggle with the Haukvik people in the 1300s

I would like to bring you the information about the people from Nordre Hem, this weekend I am looking after my two granddaughters, age 6 and 3, 5.

To early to start spring planting where I live, still about 1/2 to 3/4 of a yard with snow on the ground.

Spring is almost my favourite time of year.

- Skjerven means rocky ground (Bedrock)
- Lindheim, Heim means home and Lind is this tree
- Thoe 1665,To, Tho 1585,Touff 1593, Thw, Thouff, Toe 1723(various spellings throughout the centuries) pronunced To (Thoe) in Norway means acc prof. Rygh a small piece of land, grassy plain between rocks.

Kåre

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 21/03/2010 14:12:15
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From page 2, Ole Olsen Skjerven 1542- 93 married NN. Nerisdatter, she was born to Neri Hem (from Nordre Hem) and Aslaug Ormarsdatter, widow for many years, mentioned 1548, she liklely died before that.
She grev up on Grivi in Bø parish, Telemark. Neris father was most likley sheriff Tarald Toresson from Busnes in Gransherad, two sons Carl and Sigurd and two daughters with unknown 1. name, one married Halkjell Ingulvsson Hem and the 2. daughter married Olav Olsen Skjerven.

Aslaug Ormarsdatter was born to;
Ormar Amundsen from Grivi and Hem mentioned Oct. 12. 1410 and unknown mother.

Ormars father Anund (Agmund) Salveson is mentioned in this document from Sept. 1399 together with his parents Salve Ormsson and Maritte Bjørnsdatter Lindheim exchanging land with Torgeir Lidvordsson, .
Maritte was daughter to Bjørn Torleivsson Lindheim (Bjørn´s brother Ogmund was my Torgny Torbjørnsdatter Lindheim´s ancestor

Kåre

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 22/03/2010 00:26:12
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Bjørn Torleivsson mentioned first time 1337 and last time 1397 grew up on Lindheim and settled down on Bjørntveit in Solum at Skien town, his brother Ogmund settled down on farm Hybbelstad in Tjølling, Vestfold county in 1370.

Bjørn was the kings "Sysselmann" Guvernor in "Skienssyssel", Telemark County and parts of Numedal, Buskerud County from about 1370-85. Bjørn´s wife was Elin Torsteinsdatter Dylla from Rakkestad, Østfold County.

In this document (a gift letter) Bjørn Torleivsson´s last will, he give as a gift to Sauherad church parts in farm Sauer against "årtidhold" which could mean that one year after his died a mass should be held for his soul in the church and where and his name should be mentioned.

Kåre

Reply author: heidithoe
Replied on: 23/03/2010 15:13:09
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Hello Kåre,
Thanks for everything, I just put in the last of the information last night.
You have been so helpful. It would have taken me years to make all these connections, sitting hear with my Norwegian dictionary.
See you in another post!!!!

Best!
Heidi

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 23/03/2010 23:12:39
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Hello Heidi, you are welcome.

Its been a while since I worked with the Lindheim family, interesting to reiiterate that family with new information.

Bjørn and Ogmund Torleivsson had 3 siblings, the parents were;
Torleiv Sakabjørnsen, he is mentioned as "Hirdmanm", it means he served in the kings guard, likleky in Haakon V Magusson´s guard and married Cecilia Ivarsdatter Rova and Søndre Nes in Sauherad, daughter to County governor and Dottesten Ivar Ogmundsson Rova from farm Hæstbø in Finnøy, knight and "Drotsete", the kings deputy, mentioned Sept. 20. 1334 i en case between Archbishop Paaal and Vigleik Aslaksen concerning priest Sigurds last will, here.

Ivar Ogmundsson is buried at the monastery in Gimsøy, Skien town, Telemark, all tracks after the monastery is gone.

"Drottsete" was elected among the leading men in the country, he was no heir to the crown.

Saksabjørn (Saxbirnar) is a very rare name, only 5 with that name are found in Norway, 3 of the are from the Lindheim family, the last Saksabjørnsson lived 1570 on farm Nes in Sauherad.
Here I do not have much input since most of my information correspond with this
When Torleiv died ab. 1340 Cecilia married Vetrlide Borgarsson from Nordre Hem, they settled down on Søndre Nes (neighbor farm to Lindheim), no children mentioned.
Aslaug, Torleiv Saksabjørnsson´s daughter, married Borgar Vetrlidesson Hem.

Kåre

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 24/03/2010 22:40:32
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Hi,
here is the rest of the information I have about Lindheim.

Torleif Saksabjørnsson father was;
Saxabjørn Lindheim, the first owner of Lindheim we know the name of.
The history tells one of the kings "Lenderman" was killed on Lindheim during the civil was 1140-1240 and that the main house was burned, we do not know his name.
Excavations tells there was once a major fire on Lindheim.

The military district in this area was named "Lindheim skiprede", the farm at that time was the most important farm in this part of Telemark.

" Skiprede" (means Ship ready, totally 280 shiprede in Norway) means the district had to keep a warship with about 100 armed men with supplies for about 3 months ready in one week if a danger threatened the country orginized as Leidang.

Lindeheim and Nes are south in Sauherad not fare from Nes church from 1180.

The next information will mostly act about the old Hem.

Kåre

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 27/03/2010 00:06:57
Message:

Hi.
Hem.

Anund (Agmund) Solvesson was born about 1387-90, he still lived June 15. 1477, became very rich and owned several farms and parts in farms in Telemark. For some time he lived on one of three farms he owned in Bø parish.
He married a daughter to Tord Linderygg and became owner Linderygg and Asdal, two large farms in Bamble parish.

Anunds parents was Solve Ormarsson Hem and Maritte Bjørnsdatter Lindheim mentioned in Bishop Eustein´s "Rødebok" Farm register from 1398.
Maritte Bjørnsdatter was titled "Hustru", it means Solve was "kongens håndgagne mann" the kings man, but not a knight
Solve Ormarsson was born during the Black Death 1349-50 where half of the population in Norway died.
Solve´s father was Ormar Borgarsson.

Solve should have been bap. Borgar after his fathers father Borgar Vetrlidesson Hem.

Borgar Vetrlidesson was killed on farm Lund in Sandsvær Feb. 4.1336 when he met in an inheritance issue for his son or father Vetrlide Borgarsson (both had the same name), where disagreements and strife ended in that Jon Sigurdsson killed Borgar with an axe, see this document (origin kept in Deichmannske Library, Oslo).
King Magnus Ombudsman Sigurd Erlingsson and Hr. (Mr) Ivar´s (Ogmundsson) Ombudsman Torbjørn Sveinsson announced the murder on Aaker in Sansvær June 27. 1336.
The sentence of cort was that Jon was judged to pay a sum 3 mark for "Landsvist", the kongs grace, 3 mark for "tegn" and 2 mark for "fred" and compensation to Borgars heirs within a certain date.

There lived many persons with the name Borgar and Vetrlide on Hem, it seems like Borgar Vetrlidesson had a namesake on Hem, to me it looks like that Borgar Vetrlidesson that was killed in Sandsvær 1336 was another Borgar, bacause;
In 1337 Borgar and his wife Aslaug were involved in a struggle on Hem with persons from Haukvik where Hallvard Erlingsson Haukvik was killed by Borgar Hem.

Both Solve´s father Ormar, his fathers sister in law Ingeborg (married to Ormars brother Alvir) and Ormars mother Aslaug Saksabjørnsdatter Lindheim died in the Black Death, Svartadauen.
Ormars young widow bap. the young boy Solve (Saved) since he survived the plague.

Alvir was on a visit to Troserud in Heddal when the plague reached Hem so he survived.

Kåre

Reply author: heidithoe
Replied on: 28/03/2010 00:01:46
Message:

Hi Kåre.
Couple of questions.
This is jumping back a bit, so forgive me.

quote:

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Originally posted by Kåarto


Your Aaste Olsdatter 1636-1732 married 2. time to descendant to Torstein and Torny, Nils Torsteinsen Lindheim.

Kåre

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Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 28/03/2010 11:44:50
Message:

Hi Turid,
challenging to follow all the names on Hem and Lindheim, some are only mentioned with Hem and Lindheim as lastname or just the given name.

In those days, the families on Lindheim and Hem were considered as one family.

Orma´r (Borgarsson) mother who died in the Black Death 1349-50 was Aslaug Saksabjørnsdatter Lindheim (Torleivs sister), she married Borgar Vetrlidesson Hem.
Aslaug and Borgar got 3 daughters and 3 sons, on the names of the sons are known;
Vetrlide, Aulvir /Alvir and Ormar.

Saksabjørn Lindheim and unknown wife had following 5 children we know the names on;
Torleiv, Bjørn, Sveinke, Ingrid and Aslaug (Ormars mother)

Torleiv Saksabjørnsen Lindem and Cecilia Ivarsdatter Nes had three sons we know the names of;
Bjørn and Ogmund mentiioned earlier and Rolleiv, he married Alvirs daughter Gunnild.
Rolleiv moved out of Sauherad to Eiker parish in Buskerud.
His son Guttorm Rolleivsson (Rolfsen)married widow Asgerd Aslaksdatter on farm Berg, sister to Bishop Eysten Aslaksen, the person with the "Rødebok" from 1398-1400.
For those interested, a copy of "Rødebok" published by H. J. Huidfeldt 1879, can be read here

Guttorm Rolfsen d. ab. 1415 and Asgerd Aslaksdatter about 1440, they owned many farm in Buskerud and Vestfold Counties, also in Bohuslen in Sweden.

Your Aaste Olsdatter married 2. time in Nov. Friday 12.1680 to Peder Tortsteinsen from N. Lindem, see top left side here, they lived on farm Gvannes in Sauherad.
Probate register on Gvammen dated 1733.

Kåre

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 28/03/2010 15:25:22
Message:

1337.

The struggle between the people from Lindheim and Hem on one hand and the people from Haukvik and Låvell on the other hand ended in a large trial Dec. 13. 1337 in Skien town.
As "Kongens håndgagne men" the kings men from the less nobility, the law demanded they should first reach agreement among themselves, if that failed, the county governor or his men would judge and determine the fines.
The attempt was unsuccessful.

Countuy governor Ivar Ogmundsson had to bring in help from his brother, Counsil of Realm Finn Ogmundsson, the reason for that could be he was related to the Lindheim´s, despite that he had to judge just by the law.

Kåre

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 29/03/2010 00:16:41
Message:

Firts a brief summary of the events.
The involved had been in conflict for a long time.

Erling Haukvik with some friends and relatives came at an unexpected visit to Hem.
There Erling accused Borgar and his son Alvir for killing his son Halvard Erlingsson.
It ended in dispute, and Erling hit Borgar with his spear in the arm.
Then Erling pushed Borgars wife Aslaug (Saksbjørnsdatter) to the ground, stepped on her and called her the worst woman that ever had walked on this grass.

Later, Halvard Tolfsson, his brother Livard and some men Borgar did not remember the name on attaced him and beat him in the head, Geirmund Erlingsson hit Borgar hard in the butt.
Vetrlide who was with his father stuck Halvard Tolfsson with the spear.

Then the authorities seized in.

A content of the trial will come later.

Kåre

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 30/03/2010 01:11:32
Message:

Hi Heidi.
Lindheim and Hem was of old regarded as one family.

I am not sure, but perhaps because of the many parties involved there were two court cases, the case from Skien written on parchment in a modernized Norwegian of 1300, runic.
The Hem farmers met the Haukvik/Låvell farmers in Skien Dec. 1337, earlier in the year, Jan 31. the Lindheim farmers met the Haukvik/Låvell farmers in Tinne in Heddal municipality.

Skien Dec. 1337.
The parties accused each other of assault in word and deed, but left to the judges to determine the fines, both parties promised to obey the verdict.
Firts verdict was that Erling Haukvik to free himself from the accusiations from Borgar that Erlings son Hallvard Erlingsson had stucked Borgar in the arm with a spear, thrown Aslug to the ground, stepped on her and called her the worst woman ever been on this grass.
To get free from these charges and swear himself free Erling Haukvik together with "settar swoere" 6 witnesses on farm Sauer in Sauherad the day after "Blåmesse" Bluemass (Feb. 3.) prove that he was innocent.
If he cannot free himself from the accusiations by swearing with 6 witnesses he shall pay Borgar 4 Mark in gold for the damage after the spear and 4 Mark in gold because Aslaug was dishonered.
Half to be paid within "Midfaste" Laetare Sunday, and the rest at "Mortensmesse" St. Martin´s Day (Nov. 11.)
All other troubles that had arisen between Halvard Erlingsson and Borgar son´s, shall not be more.

About the case that Erling Haukvik sued Borgar Hem and his son Alvir for killing his son Erling, Borgar and Alvir to free themselves by oath along with 12 men swear "tylptar swoere" on Sauer the day after "Blåsmessedag" (Feb. 3.)
Aslaug and the son Vetrlide shall be free.

For the verdict Borgar get against Halvard Tordsson on Sauer on "Larsok day" (August 10) Hallvard shall give (pay) 3 Mark for the main cut he gave Borgar, Hallvards brother Lidvard to pay Borgar 2 Mark in gold for turned Borgar with a spear in the body. Geirmund will provide Borgar 12 Ører for beating him in the butt with the spear.
The main cut that nobody knew who gave Borgar, all admitted was a joint action, therefore all five; Steinulv Tordsson from Låvell, Geirmund Erlingsson from Haukvik, Hallvard Tordsson, brother Lidvard and Torer Arnasson to pay Borgar 24 Ører.
The sentence will be executed at the same time and place as stipulated.

Moreover, should Veterlide Borgarsson give Hallvard Tordsson half a Mark for attacing him with the spear. Vetrlide Borgarsson shall also pay Hallvard Tordsson 4 Mark to have made threats against him
Finally Alvir Borgarsson shall pay Hallvard Tordsson 3 Mark insted of 2 Mark he was judged to pay him last "Mortensmesse" (Nov. 11.), the fine shall be paid on Sauer Monday after first "Thomasmesse" (Dec. 21).

Kåre

Reply author: heidithoe
Replied on: 30/03/2010 02:18:05
Message:

Hello Kåre!
Wow, a lot of action ... they were very brutal to each other with all this stabbing and name calling.

I assume this ends with the Haukvik going back to their farms ... after the exchange of fines.

Also, It sounds like Borgar was quite abused. He apparently was healthy enough to participate in the case in Skien. But who perished in this fight?

- Heidi

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 30/03/2010 19:49:27
Message:

Hello Heidi.

Borgar Hem must have been a strong and tough guy.
Those who broke the sentence could be covicted outlaws.
To lie under oath were punished hard, if you were guilty you did not get 6 or 12 men to swear with you; not guilty.
Of those who perished in these fights (there were likely many more not mentioned) only Hallvard Erlingsson Haukvik is mentioned, but both parties accused the other of murder, previous lawsuits between these parties does not exist.

Also Torleiv Saksabjørnsson was sentenced to pay 2 Mark in gold for the killing of Hallvard Erlingsson.

In the puiblisher company Cappelen´s edition of New Norway History, volume 4 page 57 takes the historian Steinar Imsen this sentence as a starting point in the section "Krone og bonde" Crown and farmer.
Source. Volume 3 p 863, Sauherad Bygdbok and Diplomatarium Novegicum Volume 1-22.

Kåre

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 31/03/2010 00:26:01
Message:

Tinn (Tinnes) in Heddal Jan. 31. 1337.
The document is written on parchment, all seals are gone. Found on farm Enggrav in Heddal municipality 1857 (neighbor parish in the north to Sauherad).

Difficult 1300 langauge to translate, the document is here.

Those who met were;
Erling Haukvik, Tord Låvell, Steinulv, his son, and many of their male relatives.
As a counterpart met Torleiv Saksabjørnsson, his son Bjørn, his brother Bjørn Saksabjørnsson and many othres from Lindheim.
Both parties complained of murder, weapon damage and various other matters from the other part.
Before they met in Tinn they had tried to mediate between themselves as the law allowed the kings men without any sucess to abide by the verdict.
Now, they agreed they would have a verdict on a new agreement and that whoever did not follow it will be a shame for the whole family.

The sentence;
Torleiv Saksabjørnsson to pay 2 Mark gold for the killing of Hallvard Erlingsson and Bjørn Saksabjørnsson to pay 4 Mark "forngilldær" in silver to Geirmund Erlingsson for an ax blow, 2 Mark paid at Nes church at "Hallvardsmesse" (Mai 15) and 2 Mark at "Martæins messo" St, Martin´s day (Nov 11)

All other complaints, large or small, are judged to be dead, and there will be no disagreements from this day.

King Magus Håkonsson Lagabøte´s law on weights from 1270 (lasted until 1683)
1 Øre is 30 Gram (1 ounce is 28 Gram)
1 Mark is 218 Gram

Kåre

Reply author: heidithoe
Replied on: 31/03/2010 05:24:11
Message:

Thanks Kåre!
And this is all on the heals of the Black Plague, some 13 years later. Lots of trouble for the Hem/Lindheim family.

Thanks again for these great history tid-bits. I hope to get my family excited about our roots ... this will surely help.
It is really neat to be related to the Hem clan ... and to you as well.

Many many thanks!

- Heidi

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 31/03/2010 16:50:09
Message:

Thank you, yes it´s two intersting families.

After the Black death 1350 where half of the population died followed by several epidemics ruled disorder in Norway, aggressive foreighers started buying up farms.
Norway had joint kings in union with Sweden and Denmark, the taxes increased.
Later absolute monarchs of Denmark and their supporters ruled the country since the majority from the upper nobilities remained qiuet, exept for some like the noble man Amund Bolt who lead an uprising 1436.
There was a lot of betrayal in the early 1400s, many good men were killed, the long 400 years dark night started.
Amund Bolt was likley married to a daughter of Asgerd Aslaksdatter Berg, she married Rolleiv Bjørnsson Lindheim´s son Guttorm mentioned earlier in this topic.

Finally I have some more information from Lindheim (it´s grey weather and Easter holidays) I want to put in including your ancestor Bjørn Torleivsson Lindheim if you are not tired of all the info.

Kåre

Reply author: heidithoe
Replied on: 31/03/2010 17:13:37
Message:

Kåre,
I could never be tired of this info... I just need to catch up. I love when you have links too––when they are available. When I have time I will print them out, reference them in my journal, and come back to them later and try to translate. It is a good way to learn the dialect (since I plan to continue my research and I may not have another Kåre to help me).
This is excellent. As long as you want, keep it coming!
Have a Happy Easter...

- Heidi

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 31/03/2010 23:54:25
Message:

Hi.
Amazing how much information online when an amateur start digging, challenging and easy to get lost.

The noble man and uprising leader Anund Sigurdsson Bolt married Asgerds unknown daughter, if she was Guttorm Rolfsens daughter, he was her 3. husband, I don´t know, in 1437 Anund Bolt changed land in Eiker with Rane Ormsson with permission from "Hwstry (Hustru) Asgerd" his "Vermoder" Hustru Asgerd his mother in Law.
Hustru means her husband was not a Knight, see here.
The reason I mention Anund Bolt is because it was Guttorm Rolfsens father Rolf (Rolleiv) Bjørnsson (Bjørn Torleivssons son) which owened Lindheim at least until 1408 before he moved to Eiker and farm Kirkeberg.

When Rolf Bjørnsson left Lindheim it was Ogmund Torleivssons son Sira (Priest) Torer Ogmundsson, priest i Sauherad from ab. 1400-22 mentoned as owner of Lindheim.
He married Margtethe Hallvardatter from Vrålstad in Telemark, they got a son Hallvard Torersson probably born on Vrålstad in Drangedal, perhaps he lived on Lindhein, Margrete seems to have settled down there when she became a widow.
This Hallvard Torersson is mentioned as one of 27 leaders from the uprising group when Anund Sigurdsson Bolt capitulated in Jersø in Sweden June 23. 1436.
See headline "Brevtekst" line 7, Hallvard is mentioned as Halwardh Thorærsson.
Note the person in 2 line "Swartæ Joness riddære" Svarte Jens / Black Jens knight, see this document kept in Sweden.

During the 2. uprising against king Eric 1438 lead my mysterious Halvard Gråtopp Black Jens never knew his real name and who he was despite he put large bounty on Hallvard Gråtopp (dead or alive)

Perhaps we will never know the thruth, some historians say Hallvard Gråtopp was Hallvard Torersson and Drangedal municipality has set up a statue of Hallvard Gråtopp.

Halvard Torersson was Guttorm Rolfsens 1. cousin, we can assume he knew Anund Bolt well and was inspired of him.

Bjarnetvei (Bjørntveit) in Solum parish at Skien Mai 1397.
This document was found on Klevar by carpenter Andreas Moen behind a cupboard 1868.

Tore Ogmundsson (Lindhein) confirm on behalf of Bjørn Torleivsson (Lindheim) Sunday after "Korsmesse" (Mai 3) that he give as a present to "sine Frændekoner" to wifes of his male relatives (two sisters) Margrete (Tores wife) and Gudrun Hallvardsdrs the whole farm Klevar in Sauherad on pertition, see here.

More to come tomorow.
Have a Happy Easter.

Kåre

Reply author: hjemmet
Replied on: 01/04/2010 10:11:31
Message:

Hi to Heidi and dear Kåre, too!

I have just found this topic and am thrilled to find more distant "cousins" related to those fascinating folks from HEM and LINDHEIM! Kåre especially (with help from Hopkins and others) did much to excite my search for Norwegian ancestors a couple of years ago. My earliest known relative at the time was Hans Sigurdsen Hem b. 1822 at Nordre Hem. He took me step by step all the way back to these Hem's from the 11th -14th centuries. That was only a part of the research he did on my behalf! The NH topic, if you are interested, Heidi, was "HEM relatives in Arendal, Telemark & Denmark"... Telemark turned out to be the focus, and Denmark we never did confirm (a family rumor we had ancestors from the island of Fune in Denmark 400+ years ago).

I am doing a "copy and paste" here of a link I put on my original topic, where you can find (and download/print) an English translation of Birger Kirkeby's research on Halvard Gråtopp. Birger Kirkeby is the professor from Oslo (I believe) who researched and wrote the Bygdebok for Sauherad. I have not found a copy of that Bygdebok Kåre cites in this research available to borrow from any library. There is a copy at Harvard University which can be read on site, but they will not lend it. I wasn't successful getting a response from the Sauherad Historical Society when I sent an email asking for information on purchasing one or two volumes of that Bygdebok. I am hoping to go back to Boston to visit my almost 92 year old mother, Ingrid Hem, sometime soon and make a trip to the Harvard Library (with my little Norwegian dictionary!). Did I understand you, Heidi are somewhere in New England? You may get there before me!

Here is the link. Many good citations which Kåre is also giving you, and historical information about the times and people...

"Hallvard Gråtopp from Lindheim Skipreide and the Events of the 1430's, a translation by Evi Christenson from the Nynorsk of "Halvard Gråtopp Frå Lindheim Skipreide Og Hendingane i 1430-åra" av Birger Kirkeby. Published by the Sauherad Historical Society, Norway 1996.
Here is the link:

http://members.shaw.ca/mekee%20%20/index.html

This is an 80 page +/- document which is well worth printing out for all the translated references to Hem and Lindheim (and other Sauherad region) family information, NOT just referring to the 1430's... Birger Kirkeby is certainly a thorough researcher! What a gem this is!!!

Very dear to learn about this rebellion against foreign control which originated right there in Sauherad amongst people from whom I --and you and Kåre!- are all descended!"

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 01/04/2010 15:00:18
Message:

Hi Ellie, good to hear from you.
It´s a long time since we chat, you are also a Hem descendant.

It´s is a long time since I worked with Hem and Lindheim, I had no idea there were so many connections between the two families.
To find a connection between the upriser Anund Bolt and Lindheim was exiting, perhaps one step closer to the mysterious Halvard Gråtopp.

Exiting to have Anund Bolt in one branch of a family tree Heidi, he was of the same family as Bishop Eystein (Aslaksson), to my knowledge Anund Bolt and Asgerd Aslaksdatter Berg were 1. cousins.
Thanks for the Gråtopp links Ellie,a mysterious man.

Hallvard is mentioned August 9.1438 when 3 men had to "gaa i Borgen" guarantee for Erik Niklissen which had participated in the Gråtopp upriseing. From the other party met the kings "Høvedsmann" head on Akershus "Svarte Jens" Black Jens, the document is on parchment and kept in Sweden, see here
I think almost I can see "Svarte Jens" in search of Hallvard Gråtopp in Skien town when he asks citizens and offered bounty to anyone that could tell who Gråtopp really was.
He seems obsessed.

Back to Lindheim June 2. 1372.
Bjørn Torleivson was county governor.
Torgjuls Torbjørnsson, Bjørn Torleivssons deputy, report to king Haakon concerning Thov Gunnarsson´s killing of Olaf Olafsson.

Sauherad April 15.1408 (doc. found in Sauland 1881).
Rolleiv (Rolf) Bjørnsson and Jon Strand announce that Rolleiv with the concent of his wife Gunvor Alfsdatter (Alvisdatter) had sold a part in farm Fosse in Sviduland (Sauland) in Hjartdal to Gunvald Thorgrimsson and recieved the payment

This must bee Gonvors inherit after her father Alvir Borgarsson Hem.

Kåre

Reply author: heidithoe
Replied on: 01/04/2010 16:21:04
Message:

Hello Ellie!!
Actually, I believe I recognize you from a post that popped up when I originally started my research. I "googled" HEM and your post from a few years back came up? Is this possible? That post is what sparked my interest in this site. Amazing!
Yes you are correct, I do live in NE, and not far from Harvard. Your information is sooo helpul. Hopkins and Kåre were citing various Bygdeboks, but It was very hard from me to get my hands on them without a long wait and such a short time to peruse them. I will go to the Harvard library this weekend and see what I can find.

My grandmother, who turns 90 this weekend in fact, can speak fluent Norwegian. However, it is so sad that she has lost most of her sight. Although she may be very interested in what I've learned, she couldn't help me with the translations. Just image ... I could attempt to read these documents to her. I'm sure she would get a good chuckle out of my pronunciations.
Thanks also for this Gråtopp link to reference.

Wow, Kåre... I see a reference to Fosse in Sauland. I recently found this a farm (and Gunvald Thorgrmsson) mentioned in the information in my grandmother Olson family line. The families knew of each other back then, and their decedents lived fairly close to each other and unite again here in the US.

Thanks to you both!!!
- Heidi

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 02/04/2010 00:13:22
Message:

Heidi
Gunvald Thorgrimsson Fosse was your ancestor, it´s a small world.
I think Hjartdal Bygdbok has a lot of information on Fosse (foss means waterfall)

Add. information:
In the 1337 struggle between the Lindheim /Hem farmers and Haukvik/Låvell farmers they were all judged after the same law as the kings guardsmen, Hirdskrå

After the 1438 uprising where one of the goals was to kill as many Bailiffs as possible, they were hated because they had rised taxes significantly.

Gjerpen March 23. 1439.
The "trial" that was held in Gjerpen lead by Provst (Priest) Hjarrand Toraldsson from Oslo Diocese, Olav Buk was the owner of Brunla manor that was raided and approved the fines, the document is here

A summary,
Priest Hjarrand judged every farmer in Telemark, rich and poor, to pay either one cow, two skins of Pine Marten or one good skin of a Lynx to those who where effected by the riots, many lost their lives, those who did not pay will not be spared.

The punishment seems hard, but Priest Hjarrand probably knew that the revolt was useless, no one from the uprising group were executed or lost their farms.
Most of these men were from Lindheim Skiprede (Lindheim military district) but the name Lindheim is not mentioned in the document at all.

Hallvard Torersson´s father Sira Torer Ogmundsson Lindheim was succeeded as pastor in Sauherad 1422 by Hjarrand Toraldsson.
One must assume that he knew the conditions in Sauherad, perhaps more than what comes out of the legal protocols, perhaps even those who took part in the revolt like Hallvard Gråtopp.
Priest Hjarrand was also appealing several times to the farmes as; dear friends

This map make it easier to find out where in Telemark things happened.
Most places are south-west in the map.
The trial in Tinne in Heddal was at Notodden town.
Lindheim and Nes are located north-west at lake Norsjø at Nes + church.
Hem is nort in the parish, south across lake Heddal at Hjuksebø.


Kåre

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 03/04/2010 17:24:26
Message:

Here is a final and 4. branch of Saksabjørn Lindheim which is quite interesting, some of the persons here are mentioned earlier in this topic.

Saksbjørns daughter Ingrid married Bergulv/Bjørgulv (both names used) Aastesson Mæla at Skien.
Bergulv was Ivar Ogmundsson´s "Ombudsmand" assistent.
August 7. 1337 on " Mærdin" Mæla where Bjørgulv examine witnesses in connection with the murder of Helge Geirmundsson.

Their grandson (same name) Bergulv Aastesson Mæla married Joron (ab 1320-98), daughter of Margrete at Brunla manor and unknown father.
Joron and Bergulv got 3 daughters
When Bergulv died Joron married as a young and rich widow to noble man Gløder Arnasson from Skardaberg in Tjølling, Vestfold County.

Margaret Brunla married 2. time to member of Council of Realm Nikulas Sveinsson Galle, Nikulas Galle inherits Brunla, see probate register after Margrete Brunla from 1376, Joron was represented by her 3. husband Paal Gjurdsson.

Nikulas married 2. time to Sigrid Erlingsdatter, their daughter Sigrid Nikulasdatter Galle inherit Brunla, she married noble man Markvard Buk from Pommern

It was this family that was raided by the Gråtopp´s 1438, in the document from the 1439 trial above (Markvard Buk was already dead) it was his wife Hustu Sigrid (Nikulasdatter Galle), her son Olav Buk and daughter (Katarina) that would recieve in compensation, from;
rich or poor one cow or 2 skins of Pine Marten or .....

Gløder Arnasson d before 1376 and Joron got two sons and one daughter Ulvhilde Glødersdatter b ab. 1355, she married Torgeir Mattison Tufte d. after 1390, his father was "Fehirde" Mattias Torgeirsson mentioned in page 2.

Feb. 25. 1439, their son Mattias Torgeirsson on behalf of the farmers in Gjerpen Skiprede negosiated with Sigrid Nikulasdatter Galle, Sigrid was satisfied, 4. line spelled Mattis Thorgerson, here

Happy Easter

Kåre

Reply author: heidithoe
Replied on: 05/04/2010 02:51:47
Message:

Well thank you soo much Kåre!
I have a lot of information to sort out. Thanks for the wonder Easter gift...
I'm getting a little confused with the Bjørn and Toleiv Sakabjørnsen families. So many people with the same name.
I have to take time to read all documents to see if I completely understand.

Thanks again....may you have a wonderful spring :)
Hope to see you in another post.
- Heidi

Reply author: heidithoe
Replied on: 05/04/2010 03:14:58
Message:

One thing before you go...

quote:

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Originally posted by Kåarto


Amund Bolt was likley married to a daughter of Asgerd Aslaksdatter Berg, she married Rolleiv Bjørnsson Lindheim´s son Guttorm mentioned earlier in this topic.

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Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 05/04/2010 12:22:18
Message:

All the nearly identical names on Lindheim can be confusing Heidi.

About Guttorm Rolfsen who married Bispop Eysteins sister Asgerd Aslaksdatter Berg.

Torleiv Saksabjørnnsson, his son was;
Bjørn Torleivsson, his son was;
Rolleiv Bjørnsson (married Gunvor Alvarsdatter Hem), he was Guttorm Rolleivsson (Rolfsson´s ) father.

Rolleivsson (Sauherad dialect) and Rolfsson are used in various documents.

After the 1438 piece treaty with the farmers the hated Svarte Jens Black Jens (his real name was Jøns Nilsson Skaaning) was replaced by Olaf Buk Brunla, Castellan on Akershus Fortress.
Olav Buks sister Katarina married Hartvig Krummedige, he became member of the Norwegian council.

- Mattias Torgeirsson as on behalf of the farmers in Vestfold negosiated with Sigrid Nikulasdatter Brunla 1439, his grandmother Joron at Brunla and Mæla`s stephfather was Nikulas Sveinsson Galle.
Sigrid Nikulasdatter was Nikulas Sveinsson Galles daughter from his 2. marriage.

Torleiv Saksabjørnsson Lindheim also had a son Ormar Torleivsson, he cultivated Klevar in Sauherad before he moved out and became "lensmann" sheriff and local judge in Sandsvær parish mentioned as a witness between Priest Arne and Thore Hvam to set a proper boundary between the church´s property and Hvam kept on Hvam Oct. 4. 1410, mentioned as Ormær Tolleifsson lensman, see 6. line from bottom here, his recidence was farm Brønstad, Ormar died 1412.
His wife is unknown, a som Solve /Sølve Ormsson owned Brønstad 1470

Ellie´s (hjemmet) documents has much more information, hjemmet in Norwegian means Hem, this refers to the Lindheim people.

Any questions, I will try to answere them according my best abilities.

Kåre

Reply author: heidithoe
Replied on: 05/04/2010 16:02:14
Message:

Perfect thanks!~
You done so much for me, I don't want to take up too much of you time. I should be able to answer most of my questions with all the pieces of the puzzle you have provided.
That's the fun part!

Now I have a few other branches of the family tree that need to be worked on. They are no where near as complete as my Hem side (due to you and Ellie).
Keep in touch! Mange tusen takk!

- Heidi

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 05/04/2010 20:02:09
Message:

Vær så god.
yes do that, with so many new names and places to learn about you may perhaps need a wider wall to fit all the branches in your family tree.

Kåre

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