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Topic author: heidithoe
Subject: Dead end...John Olsen Aasen.
Posted on: 11/07/2010 21:08:01
Message:

Hello all.
I'm decedent of John Olsen on the Aasen Farm (Gn 36, Bn 8).
The Hitterdal Bygdenbok has little information about where he came from and who his parents are.

I do have naturalization papers. They tell me that John Olsen's wife is Thone Olsdtr (which I have confirmed looking at land records).

His papers also say he is from Sauer. But when I looked up Sauer in the Bygdebok I have hit a dead end. The are plenty of Ole and Johns on that farm, but no John Olsen with the birth around 1815.

Are there other places I can look?

Thanks in advance!
Heidi

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Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 11/07/2010 23:36:49
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In the 1865 census you find John Olsen as a widower and his daughters Gonne and Thone and his sons Ole and Johannes at the Aasen farm.

His youngest son Johannes was born April 10 1855, see #29 confirming that Johns wife was Tone Olsdatter.

John Olsen and Tone Olsdatter were married June 13 1842, see #8.
John Olsen was 26 years old, his father was Ole Reiersen, Hougen.
Tone Olsdatter was 23 3/4 years old, her father was Ole Aadnesen, Soubøe. (Note that Tones brother Aadne was married the same day)

John Olsen was born Oct 7 1815, see #21. His parents were Ole Reiersen and Gunild Jonsdatter, Moen under Semb.

Ole Reiersen and Gunne (Gunhild) Jonsdatter were married June 25 1813, see 2nd couple on left page.


Reply author: hasto
Replied on: 12/07/2010 00:21:42
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Ole Reiersen (16) in 1801 census


Reply author: heidithoe
Replied on: 12/07/2010 14:37:15
Message:

Perfect! This gives me a plenty to look through and more clues to continue.

As always, I appreciate all your help!

- Heidi


Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 12/07/2010 22:38:11
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Sauer is not a dead end Heidi, but another family.

Sauer:
Thone Olsdatter was born on Nordsauer ( Northern Sauer) June 6. 1840 and Johannes Olsen on Midtsauer / Sauer Midtgaard (Central Sauer) Nov. 26. 1840.

They married June 10. 1862, see #6

9 children from 1862-1882

John Olsen Aasen sold Aasen about 1866 to Anders Olsen Dalen.

Kåre


Reply author: heidithoe
Replied on: 12/07/2010 23:18:05
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Hi Kåre!
Yes, I did see that, so many folks with the same names, but the dates did match up. So I knew the papers must added Sauer incorrectly.

My only stumbling block now is the last names of the relation above. I assume Hougen could be Haugen as it is a farm not far form the Aasen land. But what is Soubøe? I can't find any farms by that name.

This family is sure got me searching...according to the census they were servants, so I assume the bydgenbok is not going to be much help, as they did own any land until the Aasen purchase.


Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 12/07/2010 23:46:44
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Soubøe (Saubø) is a farm in Tuddal sub parish in Hjartdal.

Kåre


Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 13/07/2010 11:16:00
Message:

Hi Heidi,
not sure, but Soubøe (Saubø) was most likely a subfarm under Solem in Tuddal.


Thone was born on Soubøe August 11, bap in Tuddal church Oct. 1. 1815
parants: Ole Aadnesen and Thone Olsdatter.
All the godparents, exept Gunnild and Gjermund Bøen, were from Solem, see right page #7

Confirmation Tuddal Oct. 23. 1831.
Thone Olsdatter Soubøe, parents; Ole Aadnesen Solem and Thone Olsdatter, see right page #6

Solem / Solim (todays Solheim) 1801.
Ole Aanesen "Huusmand" Leasholder/Cottager and Thone Olsdtr. with a daughter Anne on Solem.
Occupation; "Lever av sitt yrke" Living from their profession.

In 1865 Soubøe was abandoned, but in the 1900 census occupied again and still are.

Picure taken 1964 in the Solheim neighborhood.
On last page Saubø is in the background, in front is Nord (Northern) Solheim.

As you can see from the rocky landscape, only strong people could make a living here in the old days .

Kåre


Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 13/07/2010 17:45:21
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Tuddal is "Band 1" volume one in Hjartdalsoga

Ole Aanesen (Aadnesen-Aanonsen) was from Steensrud (Steinsrud) in Tuddal and Thone Olsdatter from Ørvellen (todays Ørvella) in Gransherad on the border between the two municipalities Hjartdal and Heddal, Sauland subparish in Hjartdal, they married in Gransherad (a former municipality, in 1964 it becamen a part of Notodden and Heddal) March 23. 1794.

Ørvella comes probably from Nord-Sauer or perhaps there is a Ørvella farm in Heddal too.
Little information on Ørvella, liklely more in Hjartdalsoga Volume 2.

Kåre


Reply author: heidithoe
Replied on: 13/07/2010 23:32:33
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Thanks for the photo, Kåre! Yes it appears that the farm is very rocky. I can image that was quite the struggle to plow.

Well I will get back to the library to see if I can get the Tuddal volume and It looks like I need the Grandsherad book too. Thanks for helping with the mystery.

- Heidi




Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 14/07/2010 11:52:29
Message:

Hi.

You don´t need Gransheradsoga, sorry if I misled you.

The reason why they married in Gransherad old stave church demolished about 1860 I don´know.

Volume one in Hjartdalsoga, Solem area, has info about Saubø. Same volume, Reisjå area has info about Steinsrud.

Volume two, Sauland subparish, Fosse area, has info about Ørvella.
I do not think the farms are orginized in alphabetic order.

I think its written on Hjartdal-dialect, some words can be difficult to translate if you use a translater, asistance can be done here.

Good luck.

Kåre


Reply author: Hopkins
Replied on: 14/07/2010 13:30:12
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You are correct, the farms are not organized in the Hjartdal books in alphabetical order. I haven't found any increased difficulty in translating the Hjartdal narratives - but then I always find translating to be a challenge.
When I've used the fairly recently published Hjartdal books I've found that the information should be checked against the primary records because they are not completely error free, but they seem to be more complete and reliable than the Hitterdal-bok.

Keeping a copy of the Table of Contents and/or farm index of any book you use can come in very handy at a later date.

Hjartdalsoga Gard og Ætt Hartdal Tuddal, Band I (Norway: Hjartdal Kommune, 1987)
Information about the Solheim (Solem) area farms should start about page 296; detail for Saubø about page 324.
Reisjå area beginning about page 80, with Steinsrud beginning about page 109. (Note that there are at least four different places in Hjartdal with the Steinsrud name.)

Hjartdalsoga Gard og Ætt - Sauland, Band II (Norway: Hjartdal Kommune, 1992)
Fosse (in Sauland) area should start about page 532; detail about Ørvella on page 600.


Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 14/07/2010 20:51:08
Message:

That was to a great help Hopkins, it will now be very easy to find the information from these farms.

It was a huge emigration from Hjartdal, 1500-2000 people, today 1700 hundred people lives there.
The first organized emigration started already 1839, they settled down in the Musego settlement outside Milwaukee, Wisc.
Probably you have many cousins from the Hjartdal branch in your family Heidi.

I translated directly from the Hjartdal-dialect from this example in Hjartdalsoga Volume 2 to English, it worked well on my Google translater.
less than one inch down, farm Skoge 82, nr V) I found my ancestor Ambrosius Jonsen Sauer from Heddal, he married 2. time 1695 to 7) Helge Jonsdatter Skoje.

I looked into the rare Ørvella name, it comes the old norse name Erffuill, a small creek/river that flows into the larger river Heddøla that flows into lake Heddalsvannet in Heddal.

Kåre



Reply author: Hopkins
Replied on: 15/07/2010 01:24:50
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Kåre,
I've kept "indexes" for the Hjartdal, Gransherad and Heddal/Hitterdal books. I might not have complete listings for some of the smaller 'plass' - but I'm always willing to help you by checking for page references.

I'll lend a hand when I can.


Reply author: heidithoe
Replied on: 15/07/2010 02:31:31
Message:

Thanks to the both of you!
Each time I have had the privilege of borrowing the Bydgeboks though the Inter-library loan, I have had good luck finding the farms. Hopkins is right, they usually have a list of farms with page numbers in the front matter of the book. It is smart of Hopkins to keep a copy of that.
My only challenge is knowing the farm names and being a little creative with the spelling. So with your notes above I will get busy and look up my ancestors.

On the topic of immigration to Muskego, Wisconsin...I was excited to find my home town mentioned in the Hitterdalsboken. Page 173. Gregar Gregarsen from Spærud emigrated to my small town! Very neat! With all the Hitterdal emigrants to the area no wonder my local church is named Hitterdahl Lutheran.

I plan to see if I can obtain a copy of the Hjartdal books to keep for reference. My only quest is to find out how to get my hands on (buy) a copy of Hitterdalboken. This seems like a impossible task since it was written/published so many years ago.

Thanks again you two! Could not have done all this work without you!!!
- Heidi


Reply author: Hopkins
Replied on: 15/07/2010 15:43:34
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"Hitterdalsboken, gaarde og slegter" is available copied to microfiche through any nearby LDS Family History Center. Microfiche usually cost 15 cents per fiche sheet to order and that particular book is copied to a set of 8 fiche. I used it that way and made copies of the pages that I wanted to have at home the most (including the table of contents). Most Family History Centers have copy machines that can make paper copies of images from either microfiche or microfilm.

Information on buying the Hjartdalsoga volumes -
http://www.hjartdalhistorielag.no/hsoga/#english

Check for old books sometimes available from used book stores in Norway -
http://www.antikvariat.net/get/search.cgi?post


Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 15/07/2010 21:58:53
Message:

When you start to look into Hjartdalssoga Heidi.

Ole Aadnesen Stensrud´s (Steenersrud-Steinsrud) father was Aadne Olsen.

Steenersrud 1782:
Aadne Olsen and "Brud" wife, 2 children, his old mother. "Inderste" (family member and renter) Ole Johannesen with "1 K, 3 B" 1 wife and 3 children.

Thone Olsdatter Ørvella´s parents;
Ole Pedersen and Margitte Olsdatter.

Øvrevella 1782
Ole Pedersen Øvrevelden nedre (lower) and wife, one child (Thone b. 1776) and 2 old ladies.

Looks like Grandsherad was a subparish in Hjartdal in those days, that explain the wedding in Gransherad.
The borders changed many times through the ages.

I might be gone for a few days.

Kåre


Reply author: heidithoe
Replied on: 16/07/2010 03:04:49
Message:

Thanks Hopkins, I sent a request for the Hjartdal Book. Excited to have one around for future reference.
I found my local LDS Family Research Center, so I will pay them a visit once I get organized.

Kåre, thanks for the census links. No worries on the being away. I hope it is for a fun.
I too will be gone this weekend and away from the research for a little while...

Hope you both have a great weekend!


Reply author: Lislcat
Replied on: 16/07/2010 07:04:07
Message:

Hi Heidi!
Just wondering if you're from the Thoe family
from the Iola area? My family is from New Hope
township and I'm related to Thoe's thru marriage.
My family is also from Hjartdal. I have three of
the four bygdeboks from there, so if you would
like me to send you pages, just click on my name
to send me an e-mail. The Tuddal and Hjartdal area
is beautiful! It must have been very hard for our families
to leave that area.


Reply author: Viola Aasen
Replied on: 20/07/2010 16:34:28
Message:

Heidi, You are on the trail, John Olson and Thone Oldsdatter are my husband, Everetts' .grandparents. Their son John Aasen married Ragnild Torstenson, they had11 children, nine born in Norway and 2 of them here. Everetts' dad was Norman and he was married to Othelia Thoe. Norman sister Annie Aasen was married to Anton Thoe,and they are granpa Thoe's parents. Your grandma Thoe is Karlkas(SP>. The Thoe name went under Jore in Gransherad Book that I borrowed thru th e Library of Congress. The only way our library could get it. and I had go there and read it. But our house burnt down in 2007, and lost everything. So back up everything!! Hope this helps.


Reply author: Marlys Nelson
Replied on: 26/07/2010 17:12:43
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I've been reading these posts with interest since these families connect with the people from Hem in Sauherad previous discussed by Heidi and Kåarto among others. Let me know if you want the connecting links between Tone Olsdatter and Hem slekt.

Marlys


Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 26/07/2010 23:52:43
Message:

Hi.
It would be intersting to see the connection between Thone Olsdatter and the Hem family in Sauherad.

I have information about the Hem families from ab.1800 and earlier, both Nord-Hem (Northern-Hem) and Sud-Hem (Southern-Hem).

Kåre


Reply author: Marlys Nelson
Replied on: 27/07/2010 02:55:30
Message:

Here are the Saubø connections I have made:

Thone's father was Ole Ånesson b. 1761 on Steinsrud, Gransherad.
m. Tone Olsd. Ørvella. The couple lived on Saubø, Tuddal.
His father was Åne/Adne Olesson b 1727 Steinsrud, Gransherad
m. Anne Johannesd. Øverland
His father was Ola Ådnesson b. 1703 Steinsrud, Gransherad
m. Anne Olsd. from Heddal
His father was Ådne Olesson Steinsrud, Gransherad who was married to Åste Torbjørnsd. Bøen b. c. 1679, whose father was Torbjørn Olesson Bøen b.c. 1640, son of Ole Taraldsson Bøen b.c. 1610, son of Tarald Olesson Hem i Saueherad.

However I have been unable to find Åste's husband Ådne Olesson's father although there are connections between Tarald Hem (Åste's grandfather) and an Ådne who owned a portion of ØvreSud Gøystdal in the neighboring parish of Tinn. In 1620 Vral (Rolf) on Ulleren had a son, Ådne who later owned some of Eggerud and Gvammen in Tinn. That Ådne had a daughter Ambjorg, married to Ola Olesson and lived on Sud Eggerud. The couple sold that property in 1696. "My" mysterious Ådne was born about 1660-1670 so he would have been a good candidate as a son of Ole and Ambjorg, named after his grandfather Ådne. "My" Ådne's first daughter was Imbjorg, which can be an alternate spelling for Ambjorg. The couple followed traditional naming practices with their first four chldren, using the four names of their (possible) grandparents.....but that is all the closer I have come to some connections for Ådne Olesson Steinsrud's ancestry! Tenuous.
(I have previously read and absorbed the information you have posted regarding the families on Hem....thank you so much for sharing.)


Reply author: Oyvlars
Replied on: 27/07/2010 13:23:40
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Ole Reiersen, Haugen
marr. 25-06-1813 Moen u/Sem
+Gunhild Jonsd.

John Olsen Aasen, Sem N b. 07-10-1815 (15-10)
mar. 13-06-1842 Gård Gr. 36-8- Sem Nordre
+Thone Olsdatter b. 1818 Dead 21-12-1861 41 y.
(Ole Aadnesen, Saubøe - Aadne Olsen)

1. Gunne Johnsdatter Aasen 18-06-1842 Emigr. Oslo - Madison apr.1869, "Albion
2. Ole Johnsen Aasen 26-10-1844
3. John Johnsen Aasen 14-02-1847 Emigr. 1868 mai.
4. Thone Johnsd.Aasen 13-03-1852 Emigr. Oslo - Madison apr.1869, "Albion
5. Johannes Johnsen Aasen 10-04-1855Emigr. Oslo - Madison apr.1869, "Albion


Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 27/07/2010 13:56:58
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quote:

Ole Reiersen, Haugen
marr. 25-06-1813 Moen u/Sem
+Gunhild Jonsd.

John Olsen Aasen, Sem N b. 07-10-1815 (15-10)
mar. 13-06-1842 Gård Gr. 36-8- Sem Nordre
+Thone Olsdatter b. 1818 Dead 21-12-1861 41 y.
(Ole Aadnesen, Saubøe - Aadne Olsen)

- Øyvind, no news, see posting 11/07/2010 : 23:36:49!


Reply author: Oyvlars
Replied on: 27/07/2010 16:31:47
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Reier Olsen Tveten
Margit Olsd

Ole Reiersen, Haugen bap. 22-10-1786
marr. 25-06-1813 Moen u/Sem
+Gunhild Jonsd.
1. John Olsen b. 07-10-1815
2. Gunnild Olsd. b. 01-01-1818
3. Rejer Olsen b. 10-10-1820
4. Kari Olsd. b. 30-03-1826
5. Anne Olsd. b. 23-12-1829


Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 27/07/2010 17:31:44
Message:

This line was interesting to read Marlys, does this information come from Hjartdalsoga, Tuddal?
It takes Thone Olsdatter ancestors back to the mid.1300, to Nord-Hem and Lindheim in Sauherad.

A summary on Tarald Hem since you have read my long former posting about the Hem family. Still much information to share but I had to put a dot somewhere;

Tarald Olsen Hem ab. 1575-1671 married as a widower Gunnild Olsdatter probably from Tinn.
He was very rich, owned in 1610 a part in Sud-Hem and a part in Busnes in Gransherad /Tinn (west side of lake Tinnsjø).
Within 1618 he exercised more land in Sud-Hem and from 1648 he owned most of Sud-Hem.
Farm Gausdal in Tinn he inherit from his 1. wife, his son Ole Taraldsen Bøen was from this marriage.
Tarald lent amount of money to others and owned mortgages in farms as Haugholt and Gjestrud in Heddal parish, Bjørge in Seljord parish.
From 1641 he owned a part in Grorud in Siljan parish, he was partowner in Hesthaug, Flåterud, Dale and Bolåker in Sauherad.
Tarald owned mortgage in Årnes which his son Thorbjørn cultivated about 1654.
Heir to Årnes, Torstein Nordadal, wanted to redeem Årnes, it took him many years in court before Tarald and Thorbjørn left the farm.

Tarald Hem was several times taken to court and was judged to pay fines for both the one an other.
Probate after Tarald Hem was held on Jan. 10. 1672.
His son Thorbjørn d. before 1867 married Barbara Gudbrandsdatter from Gunheim in Sauherad, they lived on Årånes in Sauherad from ab. 1640 - 1655 when they settled down on Busnes in Gransherad.
His brother Ole Taraldsen married to Aslaug Bjørnsdatter Bøen takes over Sud-Hem.

I hope this is understandable, many tricky words to translate.

Kåre



Reply author: Oyvlars
Replied on: 27/07/2010 18:32:57
Message:

To EINAR

Hevreka Do not touch my circles


Reply author: Oyvlars
Replied on: 27/07/2010 22:58:29
Message:

3. Rejer Olsen b. 10-10-1820 Korporal
mar. 27-12-1849
+Anne Johannesd. Mørk b. 27-03-1828 Lia
( Johannes Haraldsen + Asloug Olsd.)
Children:
1.Anloug Reiersd. b. 02-02-1853
2.Gunne Reiersd. b. 11-06-1855
3.Anne Reiersd. b. 06-06-1858
4.Johannes reiersen b. 26-05-1861
5.John Reiersen b. 28-11-1864


Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 28/07/2010 06:12:57
Message:

Sorry Øyvind, I'll not touch your "circles" again.


Reply author: Marlys Nelson
Replied on: 28/07/2010 16:04:58
Message:

Kåre,

Thanks for the additonal info on Tarald Hem. Of course my "info" is from secondary sources...mostly the bygdeboks from Tinn, Gransherad, Tuddal and Saueherad...although I have been led to believe that the Saueherad and Gransherad books are error prone...and dates seem "off" in Tuddal book as compared with church records, as well.

I am still frustrated about ÅsteTorbjørnsd.'s husband Åne Olesson's ancestry...I don't think her family would have let her marry the local goatherd....so he must be from a family with some resources....just can't pin him down with the records at hand.

Thanks again for the information you provide to those of us with poorer language skills and resources....we are just as deeply infected with the genealogy bug, but don't produce as good results as you!
Marlys


Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 28/07/2010 21:56:59
Message:

Hi,
I assume since no information is available about Åne/Ådne/Aane/Aadne Olsen Bøen´s parents he is not mentioned in the Bygdeboks.

Within 5 years if I remember right the intention is to get all probateregisters online.
Hopefully he will be mentioned there.

To my knowledge we can assume that Åne Olsenbelonged to the same class as his wife, her ancestors from the 1350s where the kings men from the less nobility.

Kåre


Reply author: Oyvlars
Replied on: 28/07/2010 23:05:02
Message:

Dead end ... John Olsen Aasen
heidithoe

Finale rapport

Reier Olsen Tveten
Margit Olsd

Ole Reiersen, Haugen bap. 22-10-1786
marr. 25-06-1813 Moen u/Sem
+Gunhild Jonsd.
1. John Olsen b. 07-10-1815
2. Gunnild Olsd. b. 01-01-1818
3. Rejer Olsen b. 10-10-1820
mar. 27-12-1849
+Anne Johannesd. Mørk b. 27-03-1828 Lia
( Johannes Haraldsen + Asloug Olsd.)
Children:
1.Anloug Reiersd. b. 02-02-1853
2.Gunne Reiersd. b. 11-06-1855
3.Anne Reiersd. b. 06-06-1858
4.Johannes reiersen b. 26-05-1861
5.John Reiersen b. 28-11-1864
4. Kari Olsd. b. 30-03-1826
5. Anne Olsd. b. 23-12-1829

John Olsen Aasen, Sem N b. 07-10-1815 D. 16-01-1868
mar. 13-06-1842 Gård Gr. 36-8- Sem Nordre
+Thone Olsdatter b. 1818 Dead 21-12-1861 41 y.
(Ole Aadnesen, Saubøe - Aadne Olsen)

1. Gunne Johnsdatter Aasen 18-06-1842 Emigr. Oslo - Madison apr.1869, "Albion
2. Ole Johnsen Aasen 26-10-1844
mar. 17-10-1873
+ Helga Torkildsd. Sem (Torkild Olsen)
1. John Olsen b. 08-11-1873
3. John Johnsen Aasen 14-02-1847 Emigr. 1868 mai.
4. Thone Johnsd.Aasen 13-03-1852 Emigr. Oslo - Madison apr.1869, "Albion
5. Johannes Johnsen Aasen 10-04-1855Emigr. Oslo - Madison apr.1869, "Albion

HITTERDALSBOKEN page nr. y

1. Torsten Hellum p 49 9.I 1528

2. Anund Hellem p 49 9.II

3. Oluf Hellem p 49 9.III 1602

4. Torsten Olsen Holte p 76 15.IV 1610
+Ingeri Hansd. 8 children

5. Torkild Torstensen Holte n Sem p 176 37.VI 1657
+Margit Bjørnsd. Sem 9 children

6. Bergit Torkildsd. n.Sem p 180 37.2.VII 1717
+Ole Pedersen Lysthus 8 Children

7. Torkil Olsen Lysthus p 180 37.2.VIII 1743
+Guro Bergersd. 2 children

8. Birgit Torkilsd. Lysthus 4 children p 181 37.2.IX 177212
+Niri Torgrimsen Haaberg-Lysthus

10 Ole Nirisen Lysthus p181 37.2.X 1793
+Anlaug Ambrosd. Juteskar 8 children

11 Torkild Olsen Sem (Lysthus) p181 37.2.XI 1819
+Kari Olsdatter 14 Children

12 Helga Torkelsen p181 37.2.XI-1 1841
+Ole Johnsen Aasen


Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 29/07/2010 13:33:13
Message:

quote:
3. John Johnsen Aasen 14-02-1847 Emigr. 1868 mai.
- see #84 - the note says he did not leave.
John Johnsen emigrated Febr 1893, see #8 and 100945.


Reply author: Oyvlars
Replied on: 29/07/2010 20:13:31
Message:

Sorry, hope this is ok
John Johnsen Aasen 14-02-1847 Emigr. 1893
mar. 07-06-1876
+Ragnhild Torstensd. 1853 (Torsten Johnsen)
children:
1. Tone 25-01-1877 Bakhul
2. Margith 02-01-1879 Sauer
3. Ole 18-06-1880 Sauer
4. John 23-03-1882 Sauer
5. Anne 29-04-1884 Sauer
6. Johannes 24-02-1886 Sauer
7. Ragnhild 18-02-1888 sauer
8. Anlaug 18-02-1890 Prestegaard
9. Bergit 31-01-1892 Prestegaard


Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 30/07/2010 11:22:22
Message:

John Johnsen, Aasens wife Ragnhild Torstensdatter was born Oct 7 1853, see #83 - he parents were Torsten Johnsen and Margit Hansdatter, Baghul under Østre Haave.
Ragnhilds mother (widow and Halvorsdatter - should have been Hansdatter) and siblings in 1865.
Marriage record for Torsten Johnsen and Margit Hansdatter is #3.


Reply author: Oyvlars
Replied on: 30/07/2010 19:35:58
Message:

More info about

John Johnsen Aasen and Ragnhild Torstensdatter

in Hitterdalsboken

Page 455 Slegt nr. 111 - Nr. 5 Anne


Reply author: heidithoe
Replied on: 04/08/2010 21:13:45
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by Marlys Nelson


His father was Ådne Olesson Steinsrud, Gransherad who was married to Åste Torbjørnsd. Bøen b. c. 1679, whose father was Torbjørn Olesson Bøen b.c. 1640, son of Ole Taraldsson Bøen b.c. 1610, son of Tarald Olesson Hem i Saueherad.



WOW. This is great all these entries! Thanks everyone... I find it interesting that no matter what family I'm researching there is always a Hem in the branches somewhere. Ha.

Marlys, I have quoted above because I have info stating that Torbjørn Olsen was a Nisi not a Bøen.
I just want to confirm that this is the same man? I assume, because the family is wealthy, that he could have possessed both farms.


Reply author: heidithoe
Replied on: 04/08/2010 21:56:24
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quote:
Originally posted by Kåarto


His son Thorbjørn d. before 1867 married Barbara Gudbrandsdatter from Gunheim in Sauherad, they lived on Årånes in Sauherad from ab. 1640 - 1655 when they settled down on Busnes in Gransherad.
His brother Ole Taraldsen married to Aslaug Bjørnsdatter Bøen takes over Sud-Hem.

Kåre




Hi Kåre!
Sorry, I'm a little confused. Torbjørn was Tarald's grandson or are you saying that Tarald has a son by that name too? And I'm guessing that he died in 1687.


Reply author: heidithoe
Replied on: 04/08/2010 22:08:01
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quote:
Originally posted by Oyvlars

Sorry, hope this is ok
John Johnsen Aasen 14-02-1847 Emigr. 1893
mar. 07-06-1876
+Ragnhild Torstensd. 1853 (Torsten Johnsen)
children:
1. Tone 25-01-1877 Bakhul
2. Margith 02-01-1879 Sauer
3. Ole 18-06-1880 Sauer
4. John 23-03-1882 Sauer
5. Anne 29-04-1884 Sauer
6. Johannes 24-02-1886 Sauer
7. Ragnhild 18-02-1888 sauer
8. Anlaug 18-02-1890 Prestegaard
9. Bergit 31-01-1892 Prestegaard



Thanks Eibache and Oylvars!
I was confused by the earlier emigration date. I have papers showing that most of John and Ragnild Aasen chiildren were born in Norway. This makes more sense.
Thanks for all your help!

...a little tid bit. Raghnild Aasen died tragically on 22 Nov 1935 when she was adding wood to her heat stove in her bedroom. She started on fire and later died of shock. Sad story. I have the paper clipping telling of her tragic death.


Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 05/08/2010 07:31:37
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John Johnsen, Aasen and Ragnild Torstensdatter, Baghul were married June 6 1875, see #4.

Birth of their children is
Tone at Hougen under Sem, see #15
Margith at Sauer, see #2
Ole at Syd Sauer, see #18
John at Sauer, see #13
Anne at Sauer søndre, see #16
Johannes at Sauer, see #13
Ragnild at Sauer, see #7
Anlaug at Hiterdal Præstegaard, see #15
Bergit at Hiterdal Prestegaard, see #5.


Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 05/08/2010 10:11:10
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Hello Heidi, I hope this helps.

Tarald Hem (1575-1671) had a son Torbjørn Taraldsen from his 2. marriage with Gunhild Olsdatter from Tinn, Torbjørn Taraldsen d. before 1672 married Barbra Gudbrandsdatter Gunheim.

From his1. marriage with unknown wife Tarald Olsen Hem had 5 children;
- Torgeir d. before 1672
- Ole ab. 1610-80
- Aslaug lived 1686, married Kittel Anundsen Øvre (Upper) Holtan, married 2. time to Aaste Eilevsen Nedre (Lower) Holtan
- Ingeborg d. 1659, got half of Gjestrud in Heddal from her father, married Sigurd Tollevsev Nord-Hem
- Ragnild d. before 1672, got the other half of Gjestrud, married Vetle Vegheim.

Tarald Hem had a grandson Torbjørn (Torbjørn Olsen), son of Ole Taraldsen 1610-80.
This Torbjørn married Margit Torgrimsdatter Nisi.

Kåre


Reply author: heidithoe
Replied on: 07/08/2010 18:55:37
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Thanks eibache!

Thanks Kåre, this does help...I did not have any children listed for Tarald and Gunhild.


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