Tonette Modahl

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Topic author: Marilyn Olson
Subject: Tonette Modahl
Posted on: 27/06/2011 15:54:06
Message:

Seeking information on my husband's grandma "Nettie" Modahl Olson. She married Carl Arthur Olson. Tonette is buried in Minnesota at Lakeview Cemtery wth otehr siblings, but I cannot locate what farm she came from, etc. She had many friends who would fly over around 1972-73 from Norway to the farm in Antelope Montana for visits, my husband recalls. The Amercian actress Arlene Dahl apparently is his cousin, but she rumor is that she dropped the "Mo" from her name when she became famous.....

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Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 27/06/2011 16:16:00
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Some dates for birth, imigration etc would be helpful.

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 27/06/2011 17:48:23
Message:

Hi,.

Data copied from the Montana County Marriages database at www.familysearch.org:

Name: Carl Arthur Olson
Titles & Terms:
Event: Marriage
Event Date: 27 Nov 1915
Event Place: Culbertson, Sheridan, Montana
Age: 26
Marital Status:
Previous Spouse:
Race:
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Estimated Birth Year: 1889
Father: Christian Olson
Father's Titles & Terms:
Mother: Mathilda Fighlberg
Mother's Titles & Terms:
Paternal Grandfather:
Paternal Grandmother:
Maternal Grandfather:
Maternal Grandmother:
Additional Relatives:
Spouse: Nettie Modahl
Spouse's Titles & Terms:
Spouse's Age: 21
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Birth Date:
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Estimated Birth Year: 1894
Spouse's Father: Lars Modahl
Spouse's Father's Titles & Terms:
Spouse's Mother: Bertha Torkildson
Spouse's Mother's Titles & Terms:
Spouse's Paternal Grandfather:
Spouse's Paternal Grandmother:
Spouse's Maternal Grandfather:
Spouse's Maternal Grandmother:
Volume/Page/Certificate Number: item 2 cn 600
Film Number: 1903321
Digital Folder Number: 4351319
Image Number: 269

Here is Arlene Dahl'spage in wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arlene_Dahl :

Arlene Dahl's birth info from www.mnhs.org:

Dahl, Arlene Carol
Date of Birth: 11 Aug 1925
Mother Maiden Name: Swan
certid# 1925-43442
County of Birth: Hennepin



Hilsen,
Jackie M.

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 27/06/2011 18:14:39
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Here's what it says in this book "De Som Dro - Utandringa fra Melhus" by Åsmund Snøfugl.

Fimskuespillerinnen Arlene Dahl er barnebarn av Anne Brubakk, som utvandret fra Melhus 1887. Arlene Dahl hadde sin første filmrolle i 1946, og spilte i en rekke filmer i de nærmeste 15-20 åra.
Mor hennes er av Brubakk-slekt. Hun het Ingeborg og var datter av Anne Brubakk (f. 1867) og Johan Svangrønning fra Buvika.
Anne utvandret til Amerika i 1887, faren Johan var reist i 1884.
I noen år bodde Johan i Britisk Columbia, der han drev skogsarbeid. Senere kom han til Minnesota.
Det var trolig der han møtte Anne Brubakk. De giftet seg og slo de seg ned i Minneapolis, der Johan startet opp vognmannsforretning.
Johan forenklet navnet Svangrønning til Svange og amerikaniserte det senere til Swaan. De fikk tre barn, Andreas, Ingvald og Ingeborg.
I 1897 kom Anne Brubakk heim til Melhus på besøk. Hun hadde med seg sønnen Ingvald på turen. Han var da bare fem år gammel.
Under oppholdet i Norge bodde Anne for det meste på Bleke, hos søskenbarnet Anne Brækken. Der ble Ingeborg født.
I det norske miljøet i Minneapolis traff Ingeborg, som ung dame, Rudolf Dahl.
Han hadde slekta si fra Bergenskanten. Han var handverker. Omkring 1920 ble de to gift.
Noen år senere fikk det unge paret dattera Arlene. Hun ble født i Minneapolis 11 aug 1926.
På et bilde som ble tatt av henne og morfaren, Johan Svangrønning da Arlene var en fem-seks år, og som ble sendt heim til slektningene i Trøndelag,
ser vi ei kjekk lita jente som trygt holder morfars hand.
Arlenes mor, Ingeborg ble syk og døde tidlig, før dattera Arlene nådde voksen alder.

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The movie actress Arlene Dahl is the granddaughter of Anne Brubakk, who emigrated from Melhus 1887.
Arlene Dahl had her first film role in 1946, and starred in numerous films over the next 15-20 years.
Her mother is of Brubakk-family. Her name was Ingeborg and the daughter of Anne Brubakk (b. 1867) and Johan Svangrønning from Buvika.
Anne emigrated to America in 1887, her father Johan emigrated in 1884.
Johan lived for some years in British Columbia, where he was occupied in forestry. He later came to Minnesota.
It was probably there where he met Anne Brubakk. They married and they settled in Minneapolis, where Johan started up a wagon man business.
Johan simplified his lastname Svangrønning to Svang and later Americanized it to Swaan. They had three children; Andreas, Ingvar and Ingeborg.
Anne Brubakk came home to Melhus to visit in 1897. Her son Ingvald was with her on the trip. He was only five years old then.
During her stay in Norway Anne lived mostly on Bleke, with her cousin Anne Brækken. That's where Ingeborg was born.
In the Norwegian community in Minneapolis met Ingeborg, as a young lady, Rudolf Dahl.
He had his family from the Bergen area. He was a craftsman. The two married around 1920.
Some years later the young couple got the daughter Arlene. She was born in Minneapolis on Aug. 11, 1926.
In a picture taken of her and her grandfather, Johan Svangrønning when Arlene was a five or six years, and which was sent home to relatives in Trøndelag, we see a nice little girl that safely keeps her grandfather's hand.
Arlenes mother, Ingeborg became ill and died early, before the daughter Arlene reached adulthood.

Jan Peter

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 27/06/2011 18:21:52
Message:

Hi,

Great work for two locations in Norway for Arlene Dahl. Here is the Minnesota Deaths and Burials database at www.familysearch.org for a Lars Modahl who died in Hubbard County, Minnesota:

Name: Lars Modahl
Gender: Male
Death Date: 28 Nov 1944
Death Place: Nevis, Hubbard, Minnesota
Age: 82
Birth Date: 1862
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Tori Modahl
Father's Name: Sigburn Peterson
Mother's Name: Segna Peterson
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: B02562-3
System Origin: Minnesota-EASy
Source Film Number: 2243481
Reference Number: 5903

His spouse is given as Tori Modahl so a bit hard to imagine how it might have become Bertha Torkildson, perhaps he was married twice or something like that. Need more facts....

Hilsen,
Jackie M.

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 27/06/2011 18:41:14
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Census-1900 for Minneapolis city, Hennepin, Minnesota:
John Swan, born Mar 1865, Norway, imm 1881
Annie Swan, born Apr 1867, Norway, imm 1886
Ingwal A Swan, born Jul 1891, Wisconsin
Ingeborg Swan, born Apr 1895, Norway
Andreas Swan, born Dec 1894, Minnesota

Arlene Dahl, born 11 aug 1926 is the daugther of Ingeborg, (born Apr 1895) & Rudolf Dahl b. ab 1893.
John Swan, aka Johan Svangrønning, is born Mar 1865 in Buvika, Sør-Trøndelag, Norway.

Jan Peter

Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 27/06/2011 18:43:41
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The 1920 US Census lists Nettie Modahl Olson as having been born abt 1895 in Norway and having immigrated in 1904.

Name:
Nettie Olson
Home in 1920:
School District 19, Sheridan, Montana
Age:
25
Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1895
Birthplace:
Norway
Relation to Head of House:
Wife
Spouse's Name:
Carl A Olson

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 27/06/2011 18:47:27
Message:

Hi,

Here is information on Lars A Modal from HeritageQuest:

MODAL LARS A 47 M W NORW MN LYON COTTONWOOD 1910

He is listed as age 47 widowed born Norway and came to US in 1905. Chilrdren are:

Sigbjorn Modal male age 22 b.Norway udv 1905
Sara? (Stena?) Modal female age 20 b. Norway udv 1905
Tora Modal female, age 17 b. Norway udv 1905
Nettie Modal female age 15 b. Norway udv 1905
Torkil Modal male age 13 b. Norway udv 1905
Oscar Modal male age 10 b. Norway udv 1905
Christian Modal age 7 b. Norway udv 1905

Hilsen,
Jackie M.

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 27/06/2011 18:53:37
Message:

Tonnette Larsdatter Modal, Census-1900 for Bakke, Vest-Agder.

Tonette Modal emigrating to Minnesota on Jul 15th, 1905

Jan Peter

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 27/06/2011 19:00:56
Message:

Hi,

So according to the Norwegian census Lars and all the children in the family are born in Bakke and Berthe the mother is born in Gyland. How likely is Arlene Dahl a relative to these people?

Jackie M.

Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 27/06/2011 19:11:25
Message:

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His spouse is given as Tori Modahl so a bit hard to imagine how it might have become Bertha Torkildson, perhaps he was married twice or something like that. Need more facts....

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Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 27/06/2011 20:03:14
Message:

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Originally posted by jkmarler

Hi,

So according to the Norwegian census Lars and all the children in the family are born in Bakke and Berthe the mother is born in Gyland. How likely is Arlene Dahl a relative to these people?

Jackie M.

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Reply author: Hopkins
Replied on: 27/06/2011 21:34:25
Message:

There were two Rudolph Dahls born in Minnesota about 1893. Be very careful that you are looking at the correct one.

There appears to be inconsistency in the census information that is given on the federal censuses. Marilyn should obtain the birth certificates, death certificates, state censuses and other documents to try to work out the preponderance of the evidence. If the Arlene Dahl connection is at all important then it should be started with looking at her actual birth certificate, her entry in the 1930 US federal census, etc.

Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 27/06/2011 22:38:29
Message:

I wonder if this is where the connection is. This is an Arlene Dahl born of Rudolph S Dahl but mother is Idelle not Ingeborg. .

Rudolph S Dahl
Home in 1930:
Minneapolis, Hennepin, Minnesota
View Map
Age:
37
Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1893
Birthplace:
Minnesota
Relation to Head of House:
Head
Spouse's Name:
Idelle Dahl
Race:
White
Household Members:
Name
Age
Rudolph S Dahl
37
Idelle Dahl
34
Arlene Coral Dahl
4 9/12

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 27/06/2011 22:49:30
Message:

Yes, this is actress Arlene with mother Ingeborg Swan and father Rudolph Dahl, but the missing connection is to the Modahl family from Bakke, Vest-Agder.

Jan Peter

Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 27/06/2011 23:00:03
Message:

And this Rudolph S Dahl was the son of John and Ingaborg and in 1900 living in Lyon, Cottonwood, Minnesota. And in the post of Jackie Lars Modal also lived in Lyon, Cottonwood, Minnesota. So perhaps the posters husband's cousin is Arlene Dahol but a different Arelen Dahl than the famous movie actress.

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Here is information on Lars A Modal from HeritageQuest:

MODAL LARS A 47 M W NORW MN LYON COTTONWOOD 1910

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Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 27/06/2011 23:25:08
Message:

More info on the father of Rudolf S Dahl.Could one of Rudolf's many siblings have married a Modal. Starting to get a little confusing. This data would indicate that this Rudolf S Dahl's parents were born in Norway. Were there two Rudolf S's in Minnesota.

Name:
Jacob H Dahl
Age in 1910:
56
Estimated Birth Year:
1854
Birthplace:
Norway
Relation to Head of House:Head
[Self (Head)]
Father's Birth Place:
Norway
Mother's Birth Place:
Norway
Spouse's Name:
Ingeborg Dahl
Home in 1910:
Casper, Ward, North Dakota
Marital Status:
Married
Race:
White
Gender:
Male
Year of immigration:
1867
Household Members:
Name
Age
Jacob H Dahl
56
Ingeborg Dahl
52
Alma M Dahl
49
Rudolph S Dahl
17
Walter L Dahl
15
Estella C Dahl
12

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 28/06/2011 00:22:47
Message:

Hmmm...., we're getting closer...
Here is Jacob Dahl (Arlene Dahl's paternal g.father) in census-1865 for Bakke, Vest-Agder... the same place as the Modahl family...
The Dahl (Øxendal) family emigrated about 1867, and can be found in Lucas, Lyon, Minnesota in census-1880.

Jan Peter

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 28/06/2011 00:45:25
Message:

I think this could be the connection:

Tonnette Larsdatter Modal, parents: Lars A. Sigbjørnsen Modal & Berte Torkildsdatter Modal
Lars A. Sigbjørnsen Modal, parents: Sigbjørn Sigbjørnsen & Siri Pedersd.

Arlene Dahl, parents Rudolph Dahl & Ingeborg Swan
Rudolph S Dahl, parents Jacob H Dahl & Ingeborg Dahl
Jacob H Dahl, parents Hans Pedersen Øxendal & Anne Olsdatter

I think Hans Pedersen & Siri Pedersdatter could be siblings.
Hans is born about 1816 in Bakke parish. Siri is born ab. 1818, same place.

Hans Pedersen Øxendal - Siri Pedersdatter - siblings
Jacob Dahl - Lars Sigbjørnsen Modal - first cousin
Rudolph Dahl - Tonnette Larsdatter Modal - second cousins
Arlene Dahl - children of Tonette Modahl - third cousins

Jan Peter

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 28/06/2011 01:04:15
Message:

And I think this confirms my theory:
Hans; #5
Siri, #4, right page

Parents: Peer Hansen & Karen Larsdatter, Øxendal

Jan Peter

Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 28/06/2011 04:04:38
Message:

Yes, now that we know enough we can find that others have also developed the family tree. The Bergelin/Gryde Family Trees among others on Ancestry.com lists the mother and father as Peter Hansen Oksendal and Karen Larsdatter Espetveit. The Tree also has a large number of other children other than Hans and Siri. The Tree also carries the family line further back in time for Karen Larsdatter Espetveit.

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