Ranni Bertosdtr
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Topic author: Dale Edman
Subject: Ranni Bertosdtr
Posted on: 17/11/2012 04:44:25
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According to Bjelland bygdebok, Page 561:
SØFFREN BERTORDSON blei etter Evje kb. gift 22. april 1752 med Birte Fredrichsdtr. Bjørnestøl i Hornnes, ei dotter til Frederich Tronson og Gunild Tostensdtr., som i 1759 skifta arven millom dei 5 borni. Birte er og kalla Birgitte og hadde m. a. ei syster, Ranni, g. m. Ole Osmundson Abusland.
Was Ranni a sister to SØFFREN or Birte? I always thought her father was BERTORD SØFFRENSON. The m.a. means mellom anna, but I am not sure of what the translation of that would be and I am confused by the ei. Can anyone help me understand this?
Thanks in advance
Dale Edman
Prior Lake, MN USA
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Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 17/11/2012 07:46:06
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quote:- Birte is also called Birgitte and had among other things a sister, Ranni - i.e. Ranni was Birtes sister.
Birte er og kalla Birgitte og hadde m. a. ei syster, Ranni
Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 17/11/2012 07:57:38
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quote:- see last record on right page - (Søren Bertosen Asch og Birte Fridrichstads Datter Biørnestøl).
SØFFREN BERTORDSON blei etter Evje kb. gift 22. april 1752 med Birte Fredrichsdtr. Bjørnestøl i Hornnes
Reply author: Dale Edman
Replied on: 17/11/2012 21:19:47
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Thanks for your input and help.
I looked at Bjørnestøl in Hornnes but do not see Ranni listed, and as far as I know she was born about 1717 so she does appear to quite a bit older than her siblings. It is not impossible tho I woud guess. Unfortunately the online records do not go back that far and she may have been born in 0yustad, but I do not have that information. She has always been identified as Bertosdtr, so at least that is in question now with this new information.
Fredrik Trondson 0yustad-Bjørnestøl
Han var visst komen frå 0yustad i AseraI. Han var g.m. Gunhild Torsteinsdtr.
I 1749 blei det halden ekstrarett på Biørnestøl. Det var Torgrim Åsuvson Miåland som ville take att dei 3 ksk. Fredrik hadde kjøpt på odel. I denne retten blir det opplyst at Fredriks kone Gunhild Torsteinsdtr var ætta frå ein Knut Flåttorp som var g.m. Gunhild, dotter til Gamle Børuf Abusland, som levde på 1600-talet og som åtte 4 ksk. i Bjørnestøl. Fredrik Tronson blei frikjend for Torgrim Åsuvson sitt odelssøksrnål. - Fredrik og Gunhild hadde m.a. desse borna:
a. Ola, f. ca. 1729 (sjå nedanfor).
b. Berte, f. 1734 i Bjørnestøl, g. 1752 m. Søren Bertoson Ask i Bjelland.
c. Jorann, f. 1737, ugift i 1759, seinare lagnad ukjend.
d. Trond, f. 1740, d. liten.
e. Trond, f. 1742, konf. 1764, seinare lagnad ukjend.
f. Else, f. 1746, g. 1769 m. Salve Olson Hannås (s.d.).
Fredrik Trondson gav opp buet sitt i Bjørnestøl 21/9 1757, var enkemann då.
Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 17/11/2012 22:37:53
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Berthe was baptized Oct 24 1734, see Dom 18 post Trinit on right page.
Joran was baptized Nov 10 1837, see Dom 21 post Trinit on left page.
Tron was baptized Sept 9 1742, see Dom 16 post Trinit on left page.
Else was baptized Aug 20 1746, see next to last record on left page.
Reply author: Dale Edman
Replied on: 18/11/2012 03:10:02
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thank you for the lookups Einar. I appreciate the help.
Reply author: Dale Edman
Replied on: 04/12/2012 20:05:53
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I am wondering if SKS could help me out regarding this family.
I do not have a copy of nor do I have access to the Aseral bygdebok. Could someone look at the ØYULVSTAD farm on page 287 and send me the infomrmation, if it exists, regarding :
Fredrik Trondson 0yustad-Bjørnestøl
Spouse: Gunhild Torsteinsdtr.
Reply author: Hopkins
Replied on: 05/12/2012 14:13:24
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"Åseral : gard og ætt" by Tarjei Liestøl is available by Inter-Library loan through most US public libraries.
http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/na16.html
Check with online pages of persons who have volunteered to do limited lookups in books they own or have access to.
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/lookups.html
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wgnorway/lookups.html
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bwo/
Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 05/12/2012 19:00:38
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quote:
Originally posted by Dale Edman
Fredrik Trondson 0yustad-Bjørnestøl
Han var visst komen frå 0yustad i AseraI. Han var g.m. Gunhild Torsteinsdtr.
I 1749 blei det halden ekstrarett på Biørnestøl. Det var Torgrim Åsuvson Miåland som ville take att dei 3 ksk. Fredrik hadde kjøpt på odel. I denne retten blir det opplyst at Fredriks kone Gunhild Torsteinsdtr var ætta frå ein Knut Flåttorp som var g.m. Gunhild, dotter til Gamle Børuf Abusland, som levde på 1600-talet og som åtte 4 ksk. i Bjørnestøl. Fredrik Tronson blei frikjend for Torgrim Åsuvson sitt odelssøksrnål. - Fredrik og Gunhild hadde m.a. desse borna:
a. Ola, f. ca. 1729 (sjå nedanfor).
b. Berte, f. 1734 i Bjørnestøl, g. 1752 m. Søren Bertoson Ask i Bjelland.
c. Jorann, f. 1737, ugift i 1759, seinare lagnad ukjend.
d. Trond, f. 1740, d. liten.
e. Trond, f. 1742, konf. 1764, seinare lagnad ukjend.
f. Else, f. 1746, g. 1769 m. Salve Olson Hannås (s.d.).
Fredrik Trondson gav opp buet sitt i Bjørnestøl 21/9 1757, var enkemann då.
The info in Norwegian correspond with this family tree
Source; "Hornes Gards-og Ættesoge" volume 1 page 690, published 1969 by Olav O.Uleberg.
Kåre
Reply author: Dale Edman
Replied on: 05/12/2012 23:17:10
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Thank you for your responses.
I have the Hornes bygdebok, and I had previously found the tree you listed, but it is missing a supposed member - a woman name Rannei. That is why I am looked for the information in the Åseral bygdebok.
I have not been able to locate the book via ILL. Normally the University of MN has a lot of these books, but they do not own this one. There is a copy in UND, but they do not loan them out.
I do know about the people that will do lookups, and that will be my next stop. I beleive Lill Parry has this book.
Again, thanks for you responses.
Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 06/12/2012 00:52:25
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Could this be the Rannei Berthosdatter you are looking for?
Søffrens sister.
See under Abusland 1801 further down.
Rannei Bertorsdatter was married to Ole Osmundsen from Kaddan/Kallan, married in Bjelland parish Nov. 22. 1747.
Right column. last couple in 3. chapter from botton her
Ranney Berthosdatter was widowed 1765, Ole Abusland was buried 2. Sunday after Trinity, June 16. age 53.
Right page 12. line from top. Ole Abusland 53 Aar #36
Abusland 1801.
Ranney Berthosdatter 85 widow and "Follougs qvinde" is mother to farmer Osmund Olsen 54, married and 3 children, link
Ranney Berthosdatter died on Abusland 1803, buried 4. Sunday after Easter, age 86, see left page last line here
Kåre
Reply author: Dale Edman
Replied on: 06/12/2012 15:43:30
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Thank you so much for doing some additional research on this. This is the Rannei that I am looking for.
Ole Osmundson Abusland is my 4th great grandfather.
In the original listing in the Bjelland bygdebok on Page 561 it states:
Posted - 17/11/2012 : 04:44:25
According to Bjelland bygdebok, Page 561:
SØFFREN BERTORDSON blei etter Evje kb. gift 22. april 1752 med Birte Fredrichsdtr. Bjørnestøl i Hornnes, ei dotter til Frederich Tronson og Gunild Tostensdtr., som i 1759 skifta arven millom dei 5 borni. Birte er og kalla Birgitte og hadde m. a. ei syster, Ranni, g. m. Ole Osmundson Abusland.
So, this is incorrect and as it says that Ranni is a sister to Birte, when in fact she is a sister to SØFFREN, which is what I originally thought.
I still have a hard time reading a lot of these books, but I am getting better at it. This will help me to better understand what the books say and what you have translated them as. THANK YOU! You do not know how much I appreciate it.
As a footnote: I did contact my local library and they were able to locate a copy of the Åseral bygdebok and I have ordered it. Should be here in about a week.
Thanks again to you Kåre, and to everyone else who has responded.
Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 06/12/2012 16:53:11
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You are welcome.
quote:
Originally posted by Dale Edman
Posted - 17/11/2012 : 04:44:25
According to Bjelland bygdebok, Page 561:
SØFFREN BERTORDSON blei etter Evje kb. gift 22. april 1752 med Birte Fredrichsdtr. Bjørnestøl i Hornnes, ei dotter til Frederich Tronson og Gunild Tostensdtr., som i 1759 skifta arven millom dei 5 borni. Birte er og kalla Birgitte og hadde m. a. ei syster, Ranni, g. m. Ole Osmundson Abusland.
I can translate this for you later this evening if you want.
Kåre
Reply author: Dale Edman
Replied on: 06/12/2012 17:38:54
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A translation would be wonderful. I thought I knew what it said, but it would help to know for sure.
Thank you again for your help. I greatly appreciate it.
Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 06/12/2012 20:03:38
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Søffren Bertordsen became after Evje bt? married April 22. 1752 to Birte Fredrichsdatter Bjørnestøl in Hornes, daughter of Frederich Trondsen and Gunild Tostensdatter who in 1759 shared heritage between their 5 children.
Birte also called Birgitte had among others a sister Ranni married to Ole Osmundsen Abusland.
Add. info.
Origin of Abusland Aapaasland - Apal- Appeltree- Appeltre land.
Bjørnestøl; Bjørn means Bear and -støl is a summer pasture or mountain pasture.
Several persons with lastname Abusland and Bjørnestøl living in Hornes today.
Kåre
Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 06/12/2012 22:32:28
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quote:
Originally posted by Dale Edman
Fredrik Trondson 0yustad-Bjørnestøl
Han var visst komen frå 0yustad i AseraI. Han var g.m. Gunhild Torsteinsdtr.
I 1749 blei det halden ekstrarett på Biørnestøl. Det var Torgrim Åsuvson Miåland som ville take att dei 3 ksk. Fredrik hadde kjøpt på odel. I denne retten blir det opplyst at Fredriks kone Gunhild Torsteinsdtr var ætta frå ein Knut Flåttorp som var g.m. Gunhild, dotter til Gamle Børuf Abusland, som levde på 1600-talet og som åtte 4 ksk. i Bjørnestøl. Fredrik Tronson blei frikjend for Torgrim Åsuvson sitt odelssøksrnål. - Fredrik og Gunhild hadde m.a. desse borna:
a. Ola, f. ca. 1729 (sjå nedanfor).
b. Berte, f. 1734 i Bjørnestøl, g. 1752 m. Søren Bertoson Ask i Bjelland.
c. Jorann, f. 1737, ugift i 1759, seinare lagnad ukjend.
d. Trond, f. 1740, d. liten.
e. Trond, f. 1742, konf. 1764, seinare lagnad ukjend.
f. Else, f. 1746, g. 1769 m. Salve Olson Hannås (s.d.).
Fredrik Trondson gav opp buet sitt i Bjørnestøl 21/9 1757, var enkemann då.
Fredrik Trondsen Øyestad-Bjørnestøl.
He seemed to have come from Øyestad in Aseral. He married Gunhild Torsteinsdatter. In 1749 it was held an extra trial on Bjørnestøl. It was Torgrim Asuvsen that would get back the 3 "ksk" Fredrik had purchased on "Odel". In the cort is was stated that Fredrik´s wife Gunhild Torsteinsdatter was a descendant of a Knut Flåttorp who was married to Gunhild, daughter of old Børuf Abusland who lived in the 1600s and owned 4 "ksk" in Bjørnestøl. Fredrik Trondsen was acquitted of Torgrinm Åsovsens "Odelssøksmål" lawsuit.
Fredrik and Gunhild had these children...........
"ksk" is an old measurement reg ownership in a farm.
Most farmers were partowners in several farms on that time.
"ksk" is an abbr. for "Kalveskinn" Calf skin
Odel, Odelrett, Odelssøksmål, only exist in Norway, link
Kåre
Reply author: Dale Edman
Replied on: 07/12/2012 02:41:24
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Kåre;
Thanks for the translation, links and help. It helps me to understand the family a lot more.
Thank You
Dale Edman
Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 07/12/2012 10:27:19
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To understand the family more is exiting.
It seems like Ole Åsmundsen Kalland/Abusland was son of Åsmund Olsen Abusland and unknown.
Found this online, source not given, probably from a "Bygdebook" and the Norwegian ancestor to this family, Aud Karin Eriksen, link
This info correspond with the forefathers to Knut Røysland, links don´t work but it goes like this:
Åsmund Olsen Abusland b. ca 1685 d. 1761, parents: Ole Tolleisen Abusland ca 1630-93 and Guro Guttormsdatter Kalland d. 1701.
Guro Guttormsdatter´s parents; Guttorm Tolleisen Kalland ca 1618-92 and Berte Olsdatter d. before 1692.
Ole Tolleisen Abusland´s ca 1630-93, his parents; Tollei Børufsen d. ca.1652 and unknown.
Tollei Børufsen was son of Børuf Abusland and Kari Salvesdatter.
Kåre
Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 07/12/2012 10:44:17
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quote:
Originally posted by Kåarto
Søffren Bertordsen became after Evje bt? married April 22. 1752 to Birte Fredrichsdatter Bjørnestøl in Hornes, daughter of Frederich Trondsen and Gunild Tostensdatter who in 1759 shared heritage between their 5 children.
Kåre
Frederich Trondsen and Gunild Torsteinsdatter gave up the farm in 1757 (probably because of age)
The probateregister from 1759 where the heritage was shared between the 5 children.
It`s a long register where everything of value was recorded, tools, cloths, silver, copper, livestock etc. sometimes even the names of the cows were mentioned, it continue on next page.
I can´t read it, very small letters, only the names.
Frederichs wife Gunhild Torsteinsdatter (underlined) is mentioned on line 6.
Line 8; 1.Ole Fredrichsen "Myndig" (Age of majority)
Line 8 and 9; 2. Trond fredrikchsen age 17
Line 9 and 10; 3 Birgit (Berte) Fredrichsdatter married to Søren Bertosen on the farm Ask in Bjelland sogn (parish)
Line 10: 4. Joron Fredrichsdatter 21 years old
Line 10 and 11; 5. Else Fredrichsdatter age 13.
Skiftereister (Probateregister) Frederich Tronsen Biørnestøl and "hustrue" wife.
See right page here
The reason that everything of value was recorded and assessed was that the authorites should have their share.
Kåre
Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 07/12/2012 12:47:50
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Setesdal Magistrate June 14. 1765.
Probateregister after Ole Osmundsen Abusland.
The content is difficult to understand.
The oldest son Osmund Olsen was heir to Abusland.
The register covers the entire right page plus a half column on the next page (367b)
Impressing that the clerk Cristen Tobiesen could write so small letters without spilling ink.
Need an expert to translate it, I`m only an amateur 
Ranej Bertosdatter is on line 16.
3 Children;
Line 18; 1. Osmund Olsen age 18
Line 18 and 19; Ingeborg Olsdatter married to Lars ? Bjørndalen
Line 19; 3. Engeliv? Olsdatter age 14.
See left column
"Skifte etter Ole Osmundsen Abusland" link
Kåre
Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 07/12/2012 16:51:17
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Osmund Olsen´s sister Ingeborg Olsdatter Abusland, widow and Follougs qvinde on Biørndalen 1801.
A son Ole Larsen married to Anne owned the farm, 2 children.
Follougs qvinde means former owner.
When her son Ole takes ower the farm she secured herself a legal right on free supplies and a room on the farm as long as she lived, link
Kåre
Reply author: Dale Edman
Replied on: 07/12/2012 17:17:36
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WOW - THANK YOU so much.
You have gathered a lot of information in a very short time concerning this family for me. I just need to sort it all out to see what my next step will be.
It is amazing the amount of information in the Probateregister. This will take a while to figure it all out. I may have someone locally that can help me.
I don't agree that you are an amateur. With what you have sent me I consider you an EXPERT
This is really great - I do not know how to thank you enough!
Dale
Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 07/12/2012 19:15:44
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You are welcome.
quote:
Originally posted by Dale Edman
WOW - THANK YOU so much.
This is really great - I do not know how to thank you enough!
Dale
This is good enough.
Helping Norwegian Americans finding their Norwegian roots is a great hobby that gives a lot of joy back
I thoght I could find Rannei´s probate from 1802 or later, the problem is that these pages jump from parish to parish varying between 1798 and 1802.
You are welcome back when it suits you.
Kåre
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