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Topic author: connierl
Subject: Botolf Rasmussen Ve farm Flaa;Buskerud Næs Flaa
Posted on: 01/04/2003 02:54:59
Message:

Hello
does anyone connect to these two families?
The Botolf Rasmussen in the census first below was the father of my Grgr grandfather
Bottolf Bottolfsen.
Botolf Rasmussen and Margit Nilsdatter were the unmarried parents of Bottolf Bottolfsen who was raised with his mother, and stepfather and step siblings. (see second census info)

Census 1801: Ve (Wee) farm in Flaa:
149 Buskerud Næs Flaae Annex Wee
Botolf Rasmussen, farmer 46 yrs, his 2nd marriage
Ragna Knudsdatter, his wife, 28 yrs, her 1st marriage
Barbroe Botolfsdatter, their daughter 7 yrs.
Knud Botolfsen their son 5 yrs.
Gunil Botolfsdatter, their daughter 3 yrs.
Knud Embretsen servant/labour 20 yrs, not married
Tor Tollefsen servant/laborur 19 yrs, not married
(children listed above are step siblings of Bottolf)

The following is census info for Bottolf Bottolfsen's mother:

1801 Census, Buskerud Co. Lunder annex to Norderhaug
(Bottolf Bottolfsen's mother Margit and his step siblings from his mother's first marriage and child by second marriage)

(Norderhov) parish, Oure farm:
Mikkel Eriksen, farmer, 41 his first marriage
Margit Nilsdatter, 47, his wife, her second marriage
Hans Endresen (Endresson), her son, 20, single
Gjertrud Endresdatter, her daughter, 17
Kari Endresdatter, her daughter, 13
Bottolf Bottolfsen (Bottolfsson), her son born out
of wedlock, 5 years old
Åse Mikkelsdatter, their daughter 4 years old

I would like to know the fate of the members of both of these families.
I have most of the information on Bottolf Bottolfsen, his marriage and children and their immigration to the USA. But I know nothing of Bottolf Bottolfsen's parents or his step siblings.
I would appreciate anything I could get on any of the people shown in this message.
It is a tangled web as you can see.
Please contact me at
connierl@pionet.net
thank you
Connie Bottolfsen Loftus



Connie R. Loftus

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Reply author: connierl
Replied on: 10/02/2014 17:42:11
Message:

the email address for Connie Bottolfsen Loftus
connierl@longlines.com

the address connierl@pionet,net

may or may not work
thank you


Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 10/02/2014 18:10:55
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by connierl

Hello
does anyone connect to these two families?
The Botolf Rasmussen in the census first below was the father of my Grgr grandfather
Bottolf Bottolfsen.
Botolf Rasmussen and Margit Nilsdatter were the unmarried parents of Bottolf Bottolfsen who was raised with his mother, and stepfather and step siblings. (see second census info)

Census 1801: Ve (Wee) farm in Flaa:
149 Buskerud Næs Flaae Annex Wee
Botolf Rasmussen, farmer 46 yrs, his 2nd marriage
Ragna Knudsdatter, his wife, 28 yrs, her 1st marriage
Barbroe Botolfsdatter, their daughter 7 yrs.
Knud Botolfsen their son 5 yrs.
Gunil Botolfsdatter, their daughter 3 yrs.
Knud Embretsen servant/labour 20 yrs, not married
Tor Tollefsen servant/laborur 19 yrs, not married
(children listed above are step siblings of Bottolf)




Gunhild Bottolfsdatter Haugen appears in Sigmund Sevre's list Emigranter fra Nes og Flå. Bapt 17 June 1798, d. 5 Jan 1862 left for America in 1846 as a widow of Tollef Tollefson Gulsvigeie bapt 27 Dec 1792 m. 8 Jan 1826 d. 28 May 1843 along with 3 of her children, Tollef Tollefson Haugen, Bottolf Tollefson Haugen and Gunhild Tollefsdatter Haugen. Gunhild Bottolfsdatter came to Jordan, Green County, Wisconsin and later to Orfordville, Rock county, Wisconsin.

There is more data on the children if you are interested. She appears in Naeseth's Norwegian Immigrants to the United States, a Biographical Directory 1825-1850, Volume 2, pg 370 arriving on the Elizabeth Bruce which landed in New York on 12 Aug 1846.

Apparently there will be "dueling" experts on this family as Naeseth has 4 children on the Elizabeth Bruce and has identified a different birthdate for Gunhild's husband.

Gunhild's memorial at findagrave:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSfn=gunhild&GSiman=1&GScid=2135381&GRid=77098718&


Reply author: lyndal40
Replied on: 10/02/2014 23:14:34
Message:

quote:
Apparently there will be "dueling" experts on this family as Naeseth has 4 children on the Elizabeth Bruce and has identified a different birthdate for Gunhild's husband.


Maybe picked up a child on the way. The emmigration record shws only three children. See number 96.

http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=1110&idx_id=1110&uid=ny&idx_side=-614


Reply author: lyndal40
Replied on: 10/02/2014 23:36:26
Message:

There are about ten Family Trees on Ancestry.com for Botolf Rasmusen, half with Margit Nilsdatter and the other half with Ragne Knutsdatter as spouse. Many photos and stories with the Trees.

There are about 15 or more Family Trees on Ancestry.com for Gunhild Cornelia Botolfsdatter Haugen, again a lot of photos, stories and sources for this person and other members of the family.

If you have a subscription to Ancestry there is a wealth of information avaliable.


Reply author: lyndal40
Replied on: 10/02/2014 23:51:42
Message:

The Elizabeth Bruce is listed on Ancestry.com as arriving on Aug 11, 1846 with 193 passengers. Looking over the passenger list I can not see any passengers that fit the group of Gunhild and her three children?


Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 11/02/2014 00:41:35
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by lyndal40

The Elizabeth Bruce is listed on Ancestry.com as arriving on Aug 11, 1846 with 193 passengers. Looking over the passenger list I can not see any passengers that fit the group of Gunhild and her three children?



In Naeseth's Gunhild is transcribed on the list as "Runel Bridrater, 50 m". Her son Tollef is transcribed as "C Bridrater, 21 f", son Bottolf as "Brittloz Bridrater, 18 m", the missing child Ole as "Ole Bridrater, 15, m" and the daughter Gunhild as "Kusol Bridrater, 13 m". All of which adds up to a very strange mish-mash of facts, names and sexes. The sources listed for this family in Naeseth's are the parish records of Nes, Buskerud; the Luther Valley Lutheran Church records of Rock county, Wisconsin; 1860 & 1880 census of Wisconsin; Jordan Lutheran cemetery; Mrs. John A. Peterson and Mrs. L.A. Berg.

Passenger lists are often difficult to read and interpret, it seems.

The Elizabeth Bruce passenger list is also on norwayheritage. Gunhild Bottolfsdatter as Risnel Bridrater is #90:
http://www.norwayheritage.com/p_list.asp?jo=2220


Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 11/02/2014 16:08:47
Message:

Gunild Bottolfsdatter also has a brother named Rasmus Bottolfson who came to America and is also on Sigmund Sevre's list.

Rasmus was baptized 5 Sept 1802 while the family was on Kolsrudeie.
He married 9 Jan 1831 to Christi Olsdatter. They left in 1861 from Ovestrud (Åvestrud) and settled near Belgrade, Minnesota and were members of Big Grove Lutheran Church near there.


Reply author: lyndal40
Replied on: 11/02/2014 17:42:12
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quote:
In Naeseth's Gunhild is transcribed on the list as "Runel Bridrater, 50 m


Here is how Ancestry.com indexes the five people you referrede to above.

Russel Bridrater
11 Aug 1846 abt 1796 Le Havre, France Elizabeth Bruce
View Record
C Bridrater
11 Aug 1846 abt 1825 Le Havre, France Elizabeth Bruce
View Record
Dittloz Bridrater
11 Aug 1846 abt 1828 Le Havre, France Elizabeth Bruce
View Record
Ole Bridrater
11 Aug 1846 abt 1831 Le Havre, France Elizabeth Bruce
View Record
Kusel Bridrater
11 Aug 1846 abt 1833 Le Havre, France Elizabeth Bruce

Here is one full record from the list

New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Russel Bridrater
Arrival Date: 11 Aug 1846
Birth Date: abt 1796
Age: 50
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Le Havre, France
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Elizabeth Bruce


Reply author: lyndal40
Replied on: 12/02/2014 04:57:32
Message:

Baptism record for Tollef, Nov 15, 1926. See Number 11.

http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=3053&idx_id=3053&uid=ny&idx_side=-52

Baptism record for Botolf. See number 157, Aug 5, 1828.

http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=3053&idx_id=3053&uid=ny&idx_side=-117

Baptism record for Ole See number 72. Jan 6, 1831.

http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=3053&idx_id=3053&uid=ny&idx_side=-187

Baptism record for Gunhild See number 38, born Dec 20, 1833. This is different than the emmigration record and in all of the Family Tree dates online whcih give the year as 1832.

http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=3053&idx_id=3053&uid=ny&idx_side=-258


Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 12/02/2014 22:20:03
Message:

The compilation of multiple pastoral records, a sexton's record book, the 60th anniversary history of Big Grove Lutheran church by Henry A. Baalson, cemetery superintendent, has this information about Rasmus Bottolfson:

"Died Jan 7, 1873, age 65 years; Burial rites June 3, 1873; Born 1805. Died in the great blizzard of 1873."

Age varies but reasonably certain this is your Rasmus.

There are several pages which contain details of "The Great Blizzard of 1873."
It is reported in several newspapers as occurring 4 -7 Jan 1873 with about 70 deaths in Minnesota.


Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 14/02/2014 03:00:54
Message:

Gunhild's son, Botolf's, findagrave memorial:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSfn=botolf&GSiman=1&GScid=2135381&GRid=77152945&


Reply author: JaneC
Replied on: 14/02/2014 21:13:51
Message:

She's probably just looking for distant cousins who might have done research and posting her email for their benefit. Otherwise, I think she'd be more specific about the research goal, and she would have updated her 11-year-old query. Work you're doing will benefit somebody out there sometime. Just saying the OP might not return.


Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 14/02/2014 21:21:28
Message:

Perhaps you are correct that the poster only wants to entertain her immediate kith & kin to respond and that is certainly her prerogative. My prerogative is that the poster "er Halling" and so I have put up a bit of information and links to assist a possibly unknown cousin of mine. Hallingdal is very small area and virtually everyone there is a cousin of one degree or another the farther back in time you go....


Reply author: JaneC
Replied on: 14/02/2014 21:28:42
Message:

Wonderful. The OP is a contributor here:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gsr&GSmid=18979274&


Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 14/02/2014 23:22:01
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by JaneC

Wonderful. The OP is a contributor here:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gsr&GSmid=18979274&




Obviously poster is seasoned researcher and probably doesn't need any help....


Reply author: connierl
Replied on: 16/02/2014 04:54:19
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by jkmarler

quote:
Originally posted by JaneC

Wonderful. The OP is a contributor here:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gsr&GSmid=18979274&




Obviously poster is seasoned researcher and probably doesn't need any help....



Thank you to all those who have posted information here, so much new good information. and YES I need all the help I can get. I have posted a lot on Find A Grave for both Bottolfsen and Bottolfson, some families use both spellings in the same document, but all are related. My grandfather Magnus Bottolfsen always said he knew he had cousins in Minn and Wisc, but could not remember their names and now we are beginning to find out about them. I am wondering if Rasmus Bottolfsen married and had children.
will start a search for him. I do not subscribe to Ancestry at this point and I have decided that when I do, I will have to have the time to use my subscription time fully and not be distracted by other demands in my life.

I am so grateful to all of you for any info you have posted and you can feel free to email me directly.
connierl@longlines.com

thank you again


Reply author: connierl
Replied on: 16/02/2014 05:15:44
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by jkmarler

quote:
Originally posted by connierl

Hello
does anyone connect to these two families?
The Botolf Rasmussen in the census first below was the father of my Grgr grandfather
Bottolf Bottolfsen.
Botolf Rasmussen and Margit Nilsdatter were the unmarried parents of Bottolf Bottolfsen who was raised with his mother, and stepfather and step siblings. (see second census info)

Census 1801: Ve (Wee) farm in Flaa:
149 Buskerud Næs Flaae Annex Wee
Botolf Rasmussen, farmer 46 yrs, his 2nd marriage
Ragna Knudsdatter, his wife, 28 yrs, her 1st marriage
Barbroe Botolfsdatter, their daughter 7 yrs.
Knud Botolfsen their son 5 yrs.
Gunil Botolfsdatter, their daughter 3 yrs.
Knud Embretsen servant/labour 20 yrs, not married
Tor Tollefsen servant/laborur 19 yrs, not married
(children listed above are step siblings of Bottolf)




Gunhild Bottolfsdatter Haugen appears in Sigmund Sevre's list Emigranter fra Nes og Flå. Bapt 17 June 1798, d. 5 Jan 1862 left for America in 1846 as a widow of Tollef Tollefson Gulsvigeie bapt 27 Dec 1792 m. 8 Jan 1826 d. 28 May 1843 along with 3 of her children, Tollef Tollefson Haugen, Bottolf Tollefson Haugen and Gunhild Tollefsdatter Haugen. Gunhild Bottolfsdatter came to Jordan, Green County, Wisconsin and later to Orfordville, Rock county, Wisconsin.

There is more data on the children if you are interested. She appears in Naeseth's Norwegian Immigrants to the United States, a Biographical Directory 1825-1850, Volume 2, pg 370 arriving on the Elizabeth Bruce which landed in New York on 12 Aug 1846.

Apparently there will be "dueling" experts on this family as Naeseth has 4 children on the Elizabeth Bruce and has identified a different birthdate for Gunhild's husband.

Gunhild's memorial at findagrave:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSfn=gunhild&GSiman=1&GScid=2135381&GRid=77098718&


Reply author: connierl
Replied on: 16/02/2014 05:20:06
Message:

Gunhild has 2 memorials at FAG
the one titled Gunhild Bottolfs is the same person as the one I posted at:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSsr=321&GScid=2135381&GRid=68934050&
I am wondering why the tombstone reads the way it does. when she was a Tollefson.
any way I will contact the poster of the memorial and see what we can come up with.
thanks again


Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 16/02/2014 05:41:04
Message:

I guess it's unwise to put words into someone else's mouth, sorry about that.

Here is Rasmus' marriage to Christi Olsdtr, #6:
Source information: Buskerud county, Nes, Parish register (official) nr. 8 (1824-1834), Marriage records 1831, page 776-777.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=3053&idx_id=3053&uid=ny&idx_side=-366

In Norway Gunhild would always be her father's child so she is a Bottolfsdatter. But in America things were done differently so women gave up their names & change to their husband's name. It's good that its on her stone to help us out.

Rasmus and Christi had at least one child a daughter Ragna:
Ragne #73
Source information: Buskerud county, Nes, Parish register (official) nr. 8 (1824-1834), Birth and baptism records 1831, page 362-363.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=3053&idx_id=3053&uid=ny&idx_side=-187

Ragne comes to US with her husband Narve Erikson Bottolvhus and 5 children in 1866 on Askur #29-35:

http://www.norwayheritage.com/p_list.asp?jo=157

The family’s entry in Sigmund Sevre, Emigranter fra Nes og Flå,pg 47, 1866:

Narve Eriksen Bottolfshus, 33 years (s Aurdal); father Erik Knudsen Prestbakken, s Aurdal; born 18 Feb 1825; came to Flå, taking over Grøslandsøen; came on Askur, from Drammen to Quebec to his father-in-law; first in Monroe Wisconsin in 1867 and together with in-laws went more west, homesteading at St. Cloud, Minn.about 1869; 13 children, 6 born in US; married 26 Mar 1853:

Wife: Ragne Rasmusd Grøslandeie (2 birthdates given: 25 Jan 1831 & 25 Feb 1831) d. 26 July 1904; mentioned in Hallingen 35, June 1921 pg 978

Daughter Thora Narvesd Bottolfshus b. 7 Dec 1854 married Ole Halgrimsen Tromalseie (on list 10-70)

Daughter Barbro Narvesd Bottolfshus. b.19 Dec 1857 [no further info]

Daughter Rønnaug Narvesd Bottolfshus b. 14 Dec 1860 [no further info]

Son Erik Narvesen Bottolfshus b. 13 Mar 1863 may have gone by Erickson in US; married Ingeborg Trostheim, (who may be on the list as 18-83 but she is not found at that number?); mentioned in Hallingen September 1980 pg 5

Son Rasmus Narvesen Bottolfshus Erickson b. 25 Feb 1865, member of Big Grove Lutheran Church of Belgrade, Minn.; not named in Hallingen June 1921-978 but is mentioned Hallingen March 1989, pg 30

Pg 65
10-70 Ole Halgrimsen Tromalseie used Halgrimson in US; born 22 July 1852; parents Halgrim Olsen Solumeie (14-76 on list) & Ingeborg Olsd; came on Scotia; married Thora Narvesd Bottolfshus; member of Big Grove Lutheran by 1867? Year not certain; siblings who also came 16-76, 17-76, 18-76, 18a-76



Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 16/02/2014 16:33:37
Message:

Rasmus Bottolfsen who married Christi Olsdatter was the 3rd Rasmus of Bottolf Rasmussen and Ragne Knudsdatter, Kolsrud, #93.
BTW their daughter Ragne is #75.


Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 16/02/2014 17:34:46
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by eibache

Rasmus Bottolfsen who married Christi Olsdatter was the 3rd Rasmus of Bottolf Rasmussen and Ragne Knudsdatter, Kolsrud, #93.
BTW their daughter Ragne is #75.




Which may explain why there appears to be a variety of birthdates reported for him in other records, 1805, etc.

In the case of Ragna Rasmusdtr above with her 2 birthdates, 25 Feb is reported on the baptism and 25 Jan is reported on her confirmation.


Reply author: connierl
Replied on: 16/02/2014 18:15:17
Message:

This book has been quoted for quite a lot of this info:
"Sigmund Sevre's list Emigranter fra Nes "
how does a person obtain this book, is it possibly digitized on the internet?
Once again, thank you to all for the wealth of information.


Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 16/02/2014 18:51:42
Message:

The original book is mostly in Norwegian. It is in WorldCat:

http://www.worldcat.org/title/emigranter-fra-nes-og-fla-i-hallingdal/oclc/48715916

The Hallinglag of America has a copy in their collection. If you want copies ewrite me via norwayheritage system and we can make arrangements.


Reply author: connierl
Replied on: 17/02/2014 04:03:31
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by jkmarler

[quote]Originally posted by eibache

Rasmus Bottolfsen who married Christi Olsdatter was the 3rd Rasmus of Bottolf Rasmussen and Ragne Knudsdatter, Kolsrud, #93.
BTW their daughter Ragne is #75.




Which may explain why there appears to be a variety of birthdates reported for him in other records, 1805, etc.

Connie's reply to previous:
I have now found all 3 Rasmus Bottolfsen's Bapt records on Family Search
#1 Rasmus Bottolfsen Bapt 17 May 1801
#2 Rasmus Bottolfsen Bapt 5 Sept 1802
#3 Rasmus Bottolfsen (the one who survived) Bapt 10 May 1807
Number three then will be the one who immigrated.
all three have the correct parents.
now will look for death records for #1 and #2





Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 17/02/2014 18:09:12
Message:

Rasmus Bottolfsen, Kolsrud Ejet was burried Dec19 1802, #8.

The 2nd Rasmus was a twin (sister Elie) #92.


Reply author: connierl
Replied on: 17/02/2014 18:25:26
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by eibache

Rasmus Bottolfsen, Kolsrud Ejet was burried Dec19 1802, #8.

The 2nd Rasmus was a twin (sister Elie) #92.





Thank you for the death and burial info for Rasmus, I had noticed that he was probably a twin to Elie and that she had probably died too as there was a second Ellie. born 8 Sept 1813.
thanks again


Reply author: connierl
Replied on: 22/02/2014 04:00:00
Message:

Wife of Bottolf Bottolfsen
I have been trying for many years to find info for Marthe Marie Andersdatter Heieren.

This is what I know:
Marriage
records: Oppland County, Haug annex to Norderhov
(Norderhoug) Parish. 31 March 1823:
Batchelor Bottolf Bottolfsen (Bottolfsson) Heieren,
age 32
and spinster Marthe Mari Andersdatter Heieren, age
24.
Witnesses: Even Hansen(Hansson) Heieren and Mads
Jensen
(Jensson) Sandsetrud
No parents listed on Marriage
It has been said that Marthe was from Hole.
and birth date April 7, 1796 from date on marriage record birth would be cira 1799.
spelling of Marthe differs from place to place.
wanting to find her parents and siblings.


Reply author: connierl
Replied on: 22/02/2014 04:53:52
Message:

I was under the impression that it was Buskerud County.
I believe Opland County is incorrect.
Bottolf Bottolfsen and Marthe Marie Andersdatter's first son Anders was born before they married. Anders born Nov 11, 1822 he was bapt April 1, 1823. sponsors were Even Hansen Berget, Hans Hansen Berget and Marthe Berget, and Kari Andersdatter Hurum, ( I believe Kari is Marthe's sister)
Son Anders died as an infant.

another clue may be the sponsors for bapt of Second son, Niels Bottolfsen born June 22, 1826 and bapt July 30 1826. sponsors Gullich Helgesen, Anders Christophersen Wee, Ingeborg Wexal, Olea and Berthe Sørum.

Third son Martin Bottolfsen born Aug 1830 and bapt Dec 26, 1830, sponsors were Ingeborg Wexal, Anne Simonsdatter Wee, Marthe Henrichsdatter Sørum, Iver Wexal, and Anders Helgerud-Eijet.

there are so many names and except for Kari Andersdatter Hurum, I can't relate any to Marthe Andersdatter.


Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 22/02/2014 05:05:00
Message:

Well, I checked Heieren in the Ringerikske Slekter III and there was an Anders Kristiansen who was the son of the owner Kristian Syversen b. 1792 in Modum d. in Norderhov in 1850 who married Kirsti Andersdatter Heieren in 1814 (she was the younger sister of the deceased brother's owner's wife Eli Andersdatter Drolshammer). The 2 sons mentioned are Syver Kristiansen who eventually got Heieren and Anders Kristiansen who got Tronrud. Not much on Anders' family but Syver's is carried out in the text, but don't know if your Marthe figures in in some way or not with Eli Andersdatter or Anders Kristiansen.

But Hole is a very good place to be from these days as the new Hole bygdebøker are online and searchable, so you can search for her in it. Big, big file, be patient.

http://www.hole.no/bygdebok/Hole_bygdebok_Bind_1_til_5.pdf

And a number of baptisms from Hole are indexed in the Norway Baptisms at familysearch.org

Hurum is farm in Hole, Sørum is farm in Hole, Wexel in Norderhov


Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 22/02/2014 06:59:28
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by connierl

Anders born Nov 11, 1822 he was bapt April 1, 1823. sponsors were Even Hansen Berget, Hans Hansen Berget and Marthe Berget, and Kari Andersdatter Hurum, ( I believe Kari is Marthe's sister)
Son Anders died as an infant.



Ringerikske Slekter III, pg 188-189 Heieren (my translation & paraphrase)

Even Hansen Berget & Hans Hansen Berget are the sons of Hans Evensen Heieren (who was working lope 192 called Berget). Hans Evensen (in 1804) and his full brother Anders Evensen (in 1796) each got part of the farm (Lille Heieren) from their father Even Olsen. Anders Evensen worked his part for about 5 years. Anders was on Festningen under Hole gaard in Modum and he died there in February 1801. His estate was filed or settled on 14 July 1802. He was survived by widow Kari Henriksdatter and in 1807 she sells her son Ole Andersen Festningen, his father's part of Lillie Heieren. No other children are mentioned but it's at least possible there could be a Marte in this family. It might be worthwhile to look for the family in Modum in the 1801 census and in the estate settlement record.

In Anders Evensen's household in 1801 in Modum there is a Marthe age 4 & a Kari age 2:
http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=79&filnamn=f1801&gardpostnr=16403&personpostnr=269196&merk=269196#ovre

269195 * Anders Evensen Huusfader 47 Gift 1 gl. Huusmandsplads M
269196 Kari Henricsdtr Hustrue 40 Gift 1 gl. K
269197 Ole Andersen Søn 18 Ugift M
269198 Henrich Andersen Søn 12 Ugift M
269199 Mari Andersdtr Datter 14 Ugift K
269200 Johanne Andersdtr Datter 7 Ugift K
269201 Marthe Andersdtr Datter 4 Ugift K
269202 Kari Andersdtr Datter 2 Ugift

So if your Marte is this Marthe then Even Hansen and Hans Hansen are first cousins to her and Kari Andersdatter Hurum is likely the sister as you surmised.


Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 22/02/2014 14:20:32
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by connierl


Anders born Nov 11, 1822 he was bapt April 1, 1823. sponsors were Even Hansen Berget, Hans Hansen Berget and Marthe Berget, and Kari Andersdatter Hurum, ( I believe Kari is Marthe's sister)
Son Anders died as an infant.

another clue may be the sponsors for bapt of Second son, Niels Bottolfsen born June 22, 1826 and bapt July 30 1826. sponsors Gullich Helgesen, Anders Christophersen Wee, Ingeborg Wexal, Olea and Berthe Sørum.

Third son Martin Bottolfsen born Aug 1830 and bapt Dec 26, 1830, sponsors were Ingeborg Wexal, Anne Simonsdatter Wee, Marthe Henrichsdatter Sørum, Iver Wexal, and Anders Helgerud-Eijet.

there are so many names and except for Kari Andersdatter Hurum, I can't relate any to Marthe Andersdatter.



Ringerikske Slekter III, pg 477-482 Wexhal:
Wexhal has had many different spellings. Veshall, Vegsal, Vexal etc.

pg 478
Christofer Olsen Wexhal was born 1746 and was married to Kari born on Lerberg and died in the fall of 1791. Christofer and Kari had 4 known children 2 boys, 2 girls. in 1805 the eldest daughter Anne Marie Wexhal got half of Wexhal and the other half in 1813.went to Kari's son Ole Christofersen Wexhal. Anne Marie was born in 1780 and married 1803 Elling Eriksen Bergsund, no children; next Anne Marie married Iver Gulbrandsen Lunder and they had 3 children Ingeborg, Christofer & Iver who all married and lived on Wexhal Anne Marie m 3rd to Anders Ellingson Røsby and had no children with him.

pg 480
Ingeborg Iversdatter d. 1878 married Ole Hansen (it doesn't give him a farm of origin) d. in 1875. They had 3 children one of whom was named Iver Olson Wexhal. Iver Olsen d. 1896 aged abt 60 years (so he can't be your Iver Wexhal)


Reply author: connierl
Replied on: 22/02/2014 17:33:22
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My goodness you are good with the Norway records, that is my downfall, I have trouble navigating and finging the correct records. Will get better as I surf around more.,
thank you for all the good info, I have my work cut out for me now.


Reply author: connierl
Replied on: 23/02/2014 00:35:31
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I think I may have found Marthe Andersdatter, if these are her parents, the mother Karen makes sense because Bottolf and Marthe Andersdatter Bottolfsen had a daughter Karen born Jan 11, 1833
I have never found the birth or bapt records.
here is what was on Family Search, among thousands of others:
father: Anders Evensen
mother: Karen Henricsdr
Name-Marthe Maria Andersdatter
Gender-Female
Event Date-12 Mar 1797
Event Place-MODUM, BUSKERUD, NORWAY
Birth Date-07 Mar 1797
Father's Name-Anders Evensen
Mother's Name-Karen Henricsdr
Indexing Project (Batch) Number-C42854-3
System Origin-Norway-VR
GS Film number-124044
Reference ID-2:1L07TGF
Now to prove this is my Marthe!!!!


Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 23/02/2014 01:04:36
Message:

Having looked at a fair number of parish registers I can tell you having two names Marthe and Marie will cut down the number of other possibles. It's unusual to have more than one first name in these areas in in Buskerud.

Here is her baptismal, right hand page, 6th in the order about the middle of the page:
Source information: Buskerud county, Modum, Parish register (official) nr. 3 (1783-1819), Birth and baptism records 1797, page 188-189.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8496&idx_id=8496&uid=ny&idx_side=-98

Keep doing as you have done, picking up all the faddernes. Interesting her father is listed as Anders Evensen Hole. So she may or may not have come from or lived in Hole the parish but was from Hole the farm in Modum.


Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 23/02/2014 01:24:12
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Here is Anders Evensen Hole's death, left hand page about 2/3 the way down from the the top:
Source information: Buskerud county, Modum, Parish register (official) nr. 3 (1783-1819), Death and burial records 1801, page 1070-1071.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8496&idx_id=8496&uid=ny&idx_side=-519


Reply author: connierl
Replied on: 07/06/2014 16:27:49
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http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01058270001544

020 05 Even Olsen 73 Mand Enkemand 2den gang Selvejer, huusmand

does this tell me that he is a widower for the 2nd time and is living in his own cottage and is self sufficient??
I have a Norwegian/English dictionary, but it does not clearly tell me the definitions of these words.

thank you


Reply author: Hopkins
Replied on: 08/06/2014 02:08:30
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http://home.online.no/~otjoerge/files/word.htm


Reply author: connierl
Replied on: 08/06/2014 02:27:52
Message:

Thank you, just what I needed!!!!


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