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jungfigh
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Malta
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 Posted - 27/11/2013 : 06:36:37
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When I started to trace Cristian's details I thought it may be a hard task. It certainly has been. All contributors help has been invaluable.
My to do list/places to search, (with one exception, Southampton, which could be the lynch-pin) are just about exhausted. Any further ideas from you 'professionals' please..? |
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jungfigh
Senior member
Malta
326 Posts |
Posted - 27/11/2013 : 18:00:41
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Just received from G.R.O. Cristian is still being elusive..!
Dear Sir/Madam,
Thank you for your order as detailed below.
Death Certificate: CRISTIAN TOMPSON
We have been unable to process your application, please refer to the paragraph below.
A search has been made of our indexes but no trace has been found of an entry with the details you supplied. We only have registrations of events which occur on British Registered ships. We suggest you contact the following who may hold the records.
National Archives, telephone: 020 88 76 344
Web site: www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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jungfigh
Senior member
Malta
326 Posts |
Posted - 28/11/2013 : 06:28:29
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This earlier post certainly rebuts the reply sent to me by the G.R.O. I will telephone them to-day with this information:
Name;- Campanula.
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> First Registered at Ramsgate;- December 1919.
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> Formerly Registered at Lowestoft.
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> Gross tonnage;- 95 tons.
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> Nett tonnage;- 40 tons.
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> Length;- 86.2 feet.
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> Beam;- 18.6 feet.
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> Depth;- 9.1 feet.
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> Built;- Yarmouth 1913.
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> Construction;- Steel
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> Date lost;- 4th February,1920.
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> Owners;- Isle of Thanet Steam Trawling Co,Ltd.
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> Last known position;- 10 miles off the Galloper.
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> Date re last position;- 4th February,1920.
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> Crew List CAMPANULA.
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> Skipper;- George Kennard. Age 25yrs. Son of Mr.G. and Mrs A.Kennard of
> 4.Norman's Place,West Malling,Kent.
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> Mate;- Frederick Samuel Halsey. Age 29yrs.Son of Samuel Thomas and Lydia
> Halsey;husband of Agnes Alicia Elizabeth Halsey (nee MacDougal), of
> 8.Plains of
> Waterloo, Ramsgate, Kent.
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> First Engineer;- William John Owen. Age 43yrs. Son of William John and
> Mary Ann Owen; husband of Alice Edith Owen (nee Lawrence) of 61 Dane Road,
> Margate, Kent.
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> Second Engineer;- Christian Thompson. Age 37yrs. (born 1883). Husband of
> Maude Oliva Thompson (nee Fast) of 6 Florence Terrace, Cannonbury Road,
> Ramsgate, Kent. Born in Norway.
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> Third Hand;- John Saunders. Age 31yrs. Son of the late Mr and Mrs
> Saunders; husband of Ellen Rose Saunders (nee Hubbard) of 49 Finsbury
> Road, Ramsgate.
> Born;- Croydon, Surrey.
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> Deck Hand;- Alfred Roland Cook West. Age;- 28yrs. Son of Alfred and
> Harriet Amelia West of 3 Cottage Road, Ramsgate, Kent.
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> Deck Hand;- Robert Bailey Fast. Age;- 25yrs. Son of Mary Ann Fast of 3
> Dove Cottages, King Street, Ramsgate, Kent.
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> Deck Hand;- Edward John Miller. Age;- 31yrs. Son of the late Edward John
> and May Miller; husband of Sarah Lilian Miller (nee Boughton) of 13
> Hereson Road,
> Ramsgate, Kent (born Ramsgate).
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> Trimmer;- James Frederick Cox. Age;- 45yrs. Son of the late George Daniel
> and Sarah Cox; husband of Charlotte Louisa Cox (nee Bond), of 6 St.James
> Square,
> Ramsgate, Kent.
> Born;-St.Peter's,Kent.
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> Hope this helps with your research - if you have any further questions
> please do contact me.
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> Very best regards
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> Terry
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> Terry Wheeler
> The Ramsgate Historical Society
> https://www.facebook.com/RAMSGATE.HISTORICAL.SOCIETY |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 28/11/2013 : 14:38:45
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| Was Robert Bailey (on account of his mother's name Mary Ann Fast) a relative of yours? |
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David Yaw
Medium member
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Posted - 28/11/2013 : 18:59:00
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quote:
Originally posted by jungfigh
Just received from G.R.O. Cristian is still being elusive..!
Dear Sir/Madam,
Thank you for your order as detailed below.
Death Certificate: CRISTIAN TOMPSON
We have been unable to process your application, please refer to the paragraph below.
A search has been made of our indexes but no trace has been found of an entry with the details you supplied. We only have registrations of events which occur on British Registered ships. We suggest you contact the following who may hold the records.
National Archives, telephone: 020 88 76 344
Web site: www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Derek, just a thought on this. Having come across a couple of ship-board deaths in my own family history reasearch, it seems to me that in the "normal" course of a death taking place on board ship, the captain of the vessel would record the event, I guess added by a ship's medical officer on large vessels, and report it at the vessel's destination, with the remains of the deceased perhaps being buried at sea or ashore at the following port of call. I think it must be these returns that are collated in the GRO records.
In the case of Christian, I infer from your report of the accident to the Campanula that there were no survivors and with an explosion probably no bodies found after the vessel sank. If that were indeed the case, it seems likely Christian's widow and the families of the other casualties would have to obtain a death certificate through some formal process - maybe after some form of inquiry. Perhaps the GRO recording process is less efficient at picking up death certificates resulting from such a process. This is not an assertion - just a thought.
I'll be at the National Archives in Kew sometime next week, and if it would help you, I'd be happy to query this line with them on your behalf. |
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jungfigh
Senior member
Malta
326 Posts |
Posted - 28/11/2013 : 20:24:02
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quote:
Originally posted by David Yaw
quote:
Originally posted by jungfigh
Just received from G.R.O. Cristian is still being elusive..!
Dear Sir/Madam,
Thank you for your order as detailed below.
Death Certificate: CRISTIAN TOMPSON
We have been unable to process your application, please refer to the paragraph below.
A search has been made of our indexes but no trace has been found of an entry with the details you supplied. We only have registrations of events which occur on British Registered ships. We suggest you contact the following who may hold the records.
National Archives, telephone: 020 88 76 344
Web site: www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Derek, just a thought on this. Having come across a couple of ship-board deaths in my own family history reasearch, it seems to me that in the "normal" course of a death taking place on board ship, the captain of the vessel would record the event, I guess added by a ship's medical officer on large vessels, and report it at the vessel's destination, with the remains of the deceased perhaps being buried at sea or ashore at the following port of call. I think it must be these returns that are collated in the GRO records.
In the case of Christian, I infer from your report of the accident to the Campanula that there were no survivors and with an explosion probably no bodies found after the vessel sank. If that were indeed the case, it seems likely Christian's widow and the families of the other casualties would have to obtain a death certificate through some formal process - maybe after some form of inquiry. Perhaps the GRO recording process is less efficient at picking up death certificates resulting from such a process. This is not an assertion - just a thought.
I'll be at the National Archives in Kew sometime next week, and if it would help you, I'd be happy to query this line with them on your behalf.
Good evening David. Spot on. As the Captain went down with the ship no records. I have just spoken with G.R.O. who informed me of this. Obviously I wasn't aware.
It would be most kind of you to search at National Archives Kew when you visit. Thank-you. |
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jungfigh
Senior member
Malta
326 Posts |
Posted - 29/11/2013 : 11:15:41
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quote:
Originally posted by jungfigh
[quote]Originally posted by jungfigh
[quote]Originally posted by jkmarler
Was Robert Bailey (on account of his mother's name Mary Ann Fast) a relative of yours?
Correction to the earlier post:
Yes Jackie, he was Maud's Brother.
My great uncle..?
He was 7 years of age in the 1901 Census. UK.
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Edited by - jungfigh on 29/11/2013 11:20:28 |
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jungfigh
Senior member
Malta
326 Posts |
Posted - 02/12/2013 : 11:29:26
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Another disappointment:
I have received documentation from Southampton with regard their search for Cristian. A negative reply.
I will also take this opportunity to thank David Yaw for ALL the enquiries he has done for me in my quest. Far beyond a 'call of duty'. Thank-you sincerely David.
Where is the answer to the elusive Cristian Tompson..? |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7765 Posts |
Posted - 02/12/2013 : 19:01:11
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I've taken an opportunity to look at the 1971 Volda bygdebøker looking for more modern relatives of Kristian Elias Danielsen Strømme. The book only traces out one line (or I could only find one line to follow) among the children of Daniel Danielsen Strømme and Johanne Annaniasdotter. The son Alfred Strømme b. 13 Nov 1896 d. 12 Nov 1972 and he and his wife had 4 known children.
1. Jon b. 9 Dec 1921 d. 3 June 1996
2. Kari b. 5 Feb 1925 d. 9 Aug 2009 m. Ole Sperre
3. Dagny b 1927 m. Arild Eliasson Yksnøy
4. Alvhild Klara b. 1933 m. Einar Nilsen, Ulefoss
Unfortunately both the son Jon and daughter Kari have passed on but I haven't been able to find Dagny nor Alvhild Klara. If they are still living they would be very aged. Just to clarify their father would have been a brother to Kristian E.D. Strømme
The information about Kristian Elias Danielson Strømme re the move to US and the accidental (ved ulykke) in 1918 are in this edition of the book as well, but no particular source for those pieces are given in the book. |
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jungfigh
Senior member
Malta
326 Posts |
Posted - 02/12/2013 : 19:46:24
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| Thank-you so much Jackie. All detail (as well you know) helps. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7765 Posts |
Posted - 02/12/2013 : 20:39:05
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Derek, I just tried to send you an email through the norwayheritage system but it came back as undeliverable. You might want to check your email address in the system. The letter contained addresses and phone numbers of 4 people who are descendants of Sivert Elias Danielson Strømme who was the elder brother of Kristian Elias Danielson Strømme's father, Daniel Danielson Strømme.
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jungfigh
Senior member
Malta
326 Posts |
Posted - 02/12/2013 : 21:46:17
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Jackie.
Look at my Bio.
I couldn't change my e-address when I moved. The web-master has it in hand to fix. |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 02/12/2013 : 21:58:45
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I think Alvhild Klara Nilsen b. 1933 lives in Ulefoss, Telemark.
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Edited by - Kåarto on 02/12/2013 21:59:37 |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7765 Posts |
Posted - 03/12/2013 : 01:51:04
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| Yes, Kari is buried in a cemetery in Ålesund. I wonder if the other two names with Sperre last name in that zipcode in Ålesund are relatives to her? |
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