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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
 Posted - 03/01/2014 : 15:38:33
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Originally posted by jungfigh
I found this to-day http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=pubmembertrees&rank=1&new=1&so=3&MSAV=1&msT=1&gss=ms_db&gsfn=Cristian&gsln=Tompson&uidh=ey3 Christian and Maud are mentioned here also others of whom I do not know .
Derek, did you ever get a chance to contact the people who created those trees on Ancestry.com? David commented that the trees lack the two youngest sons (one of whom was Frank's dad). One wonders whether any of the trees were created by a descendant of Cristian.
Here is a person who placed a family tree on Geni that includes Daniel Danielsen Strømme. (This too was posted earlier) She appears to be a descendant of Daniel's daughter Dina and her husband Peder Anderssen Orvik from Bolsøy:
http://www.geni.com/people/Janita-Kristin-Orvik/6000000007502835580
Would you be comfortable writing to these people? Both websites have a "send message" option.
Searched again for the following in UK and USA:
Ananias Johannes, b. 13 Feb 1880
Kristian Elias, b. 02 Nov 1882 |
Edited by - JaneC on 03/01/2014 17:43:15 |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 03/01/2014 : 18:30:58
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Originally posted by jkmarler
I've taken an opportunity to look at the 1971 Volda bygdebøker looking for more modern relatives of Kristian Elias Danielsen Strømme. The book only traces out one line (or I could only find one line to follow) among the children of Daniel Danielsen Strømme and Johanne Annaniasdotter. The son Alfred Strømme b. 13 Nov 1896 d. 12 Nov 1972 and he and his wife had 4 known children.
1. Jon b. 9 Dec 1921 d. 3 June 1996
2. Kari b. 5 Feb 1925 d. 9 Aug 2009 m. Ole Sperre
3. Dagny b 1927 m. Arild Eliasson Yksnøy
4. Alvhild Klara b. 1933 m. Einar Nilsen, Ulefoss
Here's a male-line descendant of the family in Norway, as mentioned in the Volda book:
Daniel Danielsen Strømme father of
Alfred Danielsen Strømme father of
Jon Strømme or Straume b. 9 Dec 1921 d. 3 June 1996
from Ancestry.com, Norway Burial Index, DIS-Norge, 1700-2010:
Name: Jon Strømme
Death Date: 3 Jun 1996
Burial Date: 10 Jun 1996
Burial Place: Volda, "Møre og Romsdal", Norway
Age: 74
Birth Date: 9 Dec 1921 |
Edited by - JaneC on 03/01/2014 19:42:18 |
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jungfigh
Senior member
Malta
326 Posts |
Posted - 03/01/2014 : 18:33:27
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Good evening Jane,
Our Son. Darren is in Norway at present. He is attempting to establish further Inquiries. |
DL. ;o) Malta. G.C. |
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jungfigh
Senior member
Malta
326 Posts |
Posted - 03/01/2014 : 18:36:43
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Originally posted by JaneC
quote:
Originally posted by jungfigh
I found this to-day http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=pubmembertrees&rank=1&new=1&so=3&MSAV=1&msT=1&gss=ms_db&gsfn=Cristian&gsln=Tompson&uidh=ey3 Christian and Maud are mentioned here also others of whom I do not know .
Derek, did you ever get a chance to contact the people who created those trees on Ancestry.com? David commented that the trees lack the two youngest sons (one of whom was Frank's dad). One wonders whether any of the trees were created by a descendant of Cristian.
Here is a person who placed a family tree on Geni that includes Daniel Danielsen Strømme. (This too was posted earlier) She appears to be a descendant of Daniel's daughter Dina and her husband Peder Anderssen Orvik from Bolsøy:
http://www.geni.com/people/Janita-Kristin-Orvik/6000000007502835580
Would you be comfortable writing to these people? Both websites have a "send message" option.
Searched again for the following in UK and USA:
Ananias Johannes, b. 13 Feb 1880
Kristian Elias, b. 02 Nov 1882
Yes Jane. I would/will. |
DL. ;o) Malta. G.C. |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 03/01/2014 : 19:47:08
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The source of the Volda book information about this family seems to have been Daniel's son Alfred's daugher Kari who married Ole Sperre. Kari was born 1925; Cristian died 1920. The family story is that her uncle had gone to England and died on a fishing boat "when she was a little girl." I hate to mention this - - but I have noticed and wondered what others think about it. I think it can be explained in several ways. As one example (not the only possible explanation), she didn't remember the day her family heard this news but rather remembered them talking about it at some later time. She asked, "When did this happen?" And the answer came as a rough approximation without stopping to really carefully recall, "A long time ago, you were too little to remember."
Uggh so many discrepancies, no matter the path. There are always discrepancies in a family history hunt, and the most credible possibilities are those where discrepancies can be explained (rather than wait for a story with no discrepancies, because that ain't happening). That said, Cristian seems to have more than his fair share.
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jungfigh
Senior member
Malta
326 Posts |
Posted - 03/01/2014 : 20:34:28
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Yes Jane...As said, Cristian is an enigma.
When I was in the Met-Pol. working various 'squads', the mantra was 'The truth is there. You've to find it'...Usually we did..!
But Cristian..? |
DL. ;o) Malta. G.C. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7765 Posts |
Posted - 03/01/2014 : 20:53:28
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Yes, we don't know what's in a person's reality. I have had an experience with that. When my mother & I started off on family history research regards the Norwegian side of the family we began with the facts my grandmother, mother's mother, gave us. We knew her dad came from a place called Ringerike, he came to America with his brother Olaus and that this brother Olaus lived in Minneapolis and that Grandma remembered quite distinctly, that her father took off on the train to go to Minneapolis to take care of Olaus' estate when Olaus died. That her dad had no other relatives in America. This was Grandma's reality but it really hasn't been born out by the facts in the case and now nearly 35 years later I've jettisoned some of Grandma's info and found one man who appears to be the right person. His name was Ole Pederson and died in Minneapolis in 1903. He was a halfbrother. There is also a halfbrother named Olaus who stayed in Norway who actually did die in 1910. I can only account for Grandma's memory in this way. The brothers situations must have been something the family talked about and that Grandma's childhood mind forged the 2 half brother's (neither of whom she had ever met having been born in US in 1906) stories together. Her reality, she believed it, and so it remains.
But it doesn't have to be my reality.... |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 03/01/2014 : 22:40:22
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| Good story. Thanks. That's exactly like the possible scenario for Kari - that a person can "remember" something that happened before she was born, because of having heard about it growing up. If Kari remembered the story, perhaps others of her siblings or first cousins remembered it too (though Jan Peter did write "only Kari remembered..." I understood that to mean she was the only one of her siblings to remember). |
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jungfigh
Senior member
Malta
326 Posts |
Posted - 04/01/2014 : 06:09:24
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My nose is well and truly to the grindstone now.
New Year...New vigour..! |
DL. ;o) Malta. G.C. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7765 Posts |
Posted - 05/01/2014 : 05:47:18
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Ledger for Cristian Tompson
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Given name: Cristian
Middle name: No known
Surname : Tompson
Name change: family tradition
change of surname from
Tromm / Thromme to Tompson
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Age / birthdate: no exact birthdate
on record in England thus far;
Age 20 on 19 July 1903
Age 28 in April 1911
Age 37 in Jan 1920
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Birthplace: in 1911 census Norway
in marriage record: Norway
family tradition: Lauden Vordner
family tradition: Volden Laudnor
sailor death record: Walden
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father's name: Donald Tompson
mother's name: no known record
father's occupation: carpenter
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Cristian's occupations:
19 July 1903: fisherman
April 1911: lumber sales or sawyer?
1914-1918: artilleryman
Jan 1920: engineer on fishing boat
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first fully documented date in England:
marriage record 19 July 1903
practical date at least by Jan-Feb 1903
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civil status:
1911 foreign resident
1920 British citizen
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education:
at least well enough to sign own name
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deathdate is estimated
at January 24 1920
cause of death: accidental detonation of
war laid mine at sea while fishing
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Residence:
1903 Ramsgate, Isle of Thanet, shire Kent, England
1911 Ramsgate, Kent, England
1914-1918 presumed France or European mainland
1920 Ramsgate, Kent, England
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Other information:
first daughter's name:
Rose Malinda Joanna
first son's name:
Thomas Alfred Daniel
Is there anything else to add or correct? |
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jungfigh
Senior member
Malta
326 Posts |
Posted - 05/01/2014 : 10:41:55
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Well 'ledgered' Jackie:
I've gone over cousin Frank's Family tree again:
http://www.franktompson.talktalk.net/TOMPSON-MATSON FAMILY TREE.doc
Interesting to note Cristian is shewn to have a 'middle name' Willam.
Shewn as Christain Willam Thromme |
DL. ;o) Malta. G.C. |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 05/01/2014 : 15:32:07
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Originally posted by JaneC
Cristian's name is here given as Christain Thromme Tomsen.
http://view.officeapps.live.com/op/view.aspx?src=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.franktompson.talktalk.net%2FTOMPSON-MATSON%2520FAMILY%2520TREE.doc
The name on this family tree, posted on page 28 of this thread, is "Christain Thromme Tomsen (7)." Footnote (7) says "Name still uncertain." I believe this is Frank's tree? I see no "Christain William" and the search tool does not find one.
The link you posted just now does not work for me Derek, so I am sorry to say I can't check it. What gives? Do you have a later, more recent version of the same tree? Or ....?
I did paste the following into Google Search...
http://www.franktompson.talktalk.net/TOMPSON-MATSON FAMILY TREE.doc
...which replicates the url you've given, and it takes me to the version of the tree I posted, with no "Christain William."
If the name "William" appears on the family tree you have posted, what is the source of the name "William"? In the extensive documents and discussion posted in this thread, I can't find that the name "William" has ever before appeared.
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7765 Posts |
Posted - 05/01/2014 : 17:21:42
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Ledger for Kristian Elias Danielsen Strømme
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Given Name: Kristian
Middle name: Elias
Surname: Danielsen or Strømme or Straume or Kile
*31 Mar 1901: Kristian Strommen
Name change: In Norway you are always your father’s child,
Farm names such as Strømme function as an address and so change
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Age /birthdate:
At baptism 2 Nov. 1882
At Confirmation 2 Nov 1882
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Birthplace
Strømme, Volden parish, Møre og Romsdal fylke, Norway
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Father’s name:
Daniel Johannes Danielson Strømme / Straume
Father’s occupation: 1900 carpenter and stone work,
Ca 1885- ca1895 Harbor work
1877 husmand
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Kristian’s Occupations:
To be determined
*31 Mar 1901: ablebodied seaman
Family tradition: fishing
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Last documented date in Norway
9 Oct 1898 confirmation record in Volda
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civil status: Norwegian national
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education: to be determined
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Death date: To be determined
1900 Counted among the living, minor aged children of Johanne Annaniasdatter Strømme
Family tradition: died during childhood of niece Kari Strømme b.1925 so 1925-1938
Or 1918 per (somewhat compromised) published Volda history
Cause of death: Family tradition: accident while fishing
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Residence
1882-1884: Strømme, Volda, Møre og Romsdal, Norway
1884-1894 Kabelvaag (or Vågan)parish, Nordland fylke, Norway
1894-1898 Anongennes or Kvangarnes?, Volda, Møre og Romsdal, Norway
no dates: United States per Volda history
*31 Mar 1901 onboard ship Rapide at Shoreham, England
no dates family tradition: on Shetland or Orkney islands in Great Britain
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Other information:
Mother’s name: Johanne Gurine Annaniasdatter Åmelfodtsæter
Grandmother’s name: Kristiane Sjursdatter Strømme
*thought to be Kristian but record limitations means certainty not possible
Please review for additions and corrections. |
Edited by - jkmarler on 06/01/2014 16:25:00 |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 05/01/2014 : 18:56:52
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The recaps are helpful. Thanks Jackie.
A digression - and mostly just for fun - here's a post from 2009 found on an internet genealogy chat site:
"Ye menshined ROSCO. am thinkin aboot the guy that hung aboot the coarner croon st n caley rd, if its the same wan heres a wee story fer ye, rosco wis up oan the roof ah the auld bru,n croon st, lookin fer sumthin (if ye no wit a mean) anywie the polis wer also up oan the roof (jist passin by) n they gave chase rosco legged it he jumped fae the bru roof tae the next wan onto the auld hooses, the polis tried the same jump n never made it, the polisman wis hingin oan tae the gutter, shoutin fer help, yer man rosco went bak n gave him a haun oanty the roof, the polisman thanked him fer cumin bak n rescuin him, then polisman cuffed him n jaelt him!!! (fae FLECKY aka james fletcher aka jim the jannie) hope all is well with the famly."
Place names as rendered by the same writer: "I dunno who yer writin tae, but me myself frae the Gorbals... still live in Glesga up at Shawlands."
Shawlands is a district of Glasgow, Scotland... I think "Glesga" = Glasgow.
If there's any relevance, it's as an example of the extent to which our ethnicity can and does affect how we speak, write, and remember. I can understand the above perfectly, but that might not be true of someone speaking English as a second language. I can imagine a language barrier to some extent in Cristian's home (not for him and for family - rather, for those trying to understand many years later) which as we've already said certainly could affect the way information from him got recorded.
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Edited by - JaneC on 05/01/2014 22:09:56 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7765 Posts |
Posted - 05/01/2014 : 19:44:21
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 amusing story about how dialects can affect understanding. It's the basic kernel of truth in every tale. When I look at the 2 recaps, the basic kernel of truth is that the 2 tales are very similar. The one sure thing is Volden, and his first name is Kristian /Cristian; age is approximately correct, tale of his demise is very similar and in a general sense the record in Norway vanishes about the same time the record in England begins. |
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