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jungfigh
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Malta
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 Posted - 25/04/2014 : 20:03:13
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A message received from cousin Frank this day to Finn and me.
Hi guys,
Kits ordered #61514;.
Finn,
Your kit will come to me. I’ll send it to you as soon as I get it, so that will probably take a week, 10 days or so I guess before it reaches you.
Fingers crossed (I’m doing a lot of that in this process)!
Cheers,
Frank
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 28/04/2014 : 15:23:49
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The seamen's rolls for both Kristian and Annanias arrived this morning. Annanias went twice from Bergen to England and Kristian went once from Aalesund to Scotland and the second voyage was from "B. Island" (Iceland?) to something I couldn't read. Last date on Kristian was 1 Jan 1904 although the voyages were 1900 and 1901.
Interestingly the Trondheim archives had the rolls from Volda... |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 28/04/2014 : 16:27:58
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Nice!
For the record; Cristian Tompson married Maud Olivia A Fast in Thanet District in the third quarter of 1903.
The Trondheim archives are in charge of files from Møre & Romsdal, Sør-Trøndelag, Nord-Trøndelag and Nordland counties.
"B. Island" could possibly be Bjørnøya ("Bear island") in the Barents sea, between Svalbard and the main land (Finnmark).
Or it could be Bouvetøya (Bouvet Island) in the southern Atlantic, halfway between south Africa and Antarctica. |
Edited by - jwiborg on 28/04/2014 16:31:56 |
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jungfigh
Senior member
Malta
326 Posts |
Posted - 30/04/2014 : 10:49:31
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Thank-you Jackie for obtaining the rolls. Like you I find it extremely difficult to decipher (even using my NSY Murder Squad issue magnifying glass)..!
Thank-you Jan Peter for your interpretations as shewn. Well thought out.
Maud and Christian (as spelt on their marriage certificate) were wed on July 19th, 1903, in Christchurch, Ramsgate, the cert. still shews Kristian as a fisherman aged 20 years. His father shewn as Donald Tompson, a carpenter.
Recap: I have a military historian investigating a Donald Tompson born Scotland 1849, shewn in the 1871 UK Census as a Private, Marine Royal, based in The Marine Barracks, Deal, Kent. (about 10 miles or so from Ramsgate)
A gut feeling leads me to believe this man could be Kristian's father. (He would have been 54 at the time of the wedding and about 34 years when Kristian was born). I still await the historian's report.
What with cousin Frank advancing with the DNA side with Finn, and me with a couple of extra queries I have thought up we may, soon, have a definitive result for the enigmatic Kristian..! |
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jungfigh
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Malta
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Posted - 09/05/2014 : 10:48:45
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A brief sitrep:
Frank has sent Finn his DNA kit. Hopefully within a month or so we should have a result...fingers crossed..! |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 09/05/2014 : 16:18:37
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Exciting! 
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jungfigh
Senior member
Malta
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Posted - 10/05/2014 : 07:32:11
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Originally posted by jwiborg
Exciting!
Certainly is Jan Peter. |
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jungfigh
Senior member
Malta
326 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2014 : 08:42:57
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I am intrigued with DianeRicky's thread on her Grandfather: Waldener G. Thompson and Lyndal40's response below.
Is Thompson or Thomson a common(ish) Norwegian name..?
Posted - 08/05/2014 : 16:25:55 Show Profile Email Poster Reply with Quote
Here is the 1900 US Census referred to by Hopkins.
1900 United States Federal Census
Name: Waldener G Thompson
[Waldemar N Thompson]
Age: 27
Birth Date: Oct 1872
Birthplace: Minnesota
Home in 1900: Newburg, Fillmore, Minnesota
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Anna Thompson
Marriage Year: 1900
Years Married: 0
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Occupation:
Household Members:
Name Age
Waldener G Thompson 27
Anna Thompson 28
Here is a birth record for a Walber Thompson, same county as the census record. However the record lists the person as female.
Minnesota, Births and Christenings Index, 1840-1980
Name: Walber Thompson
Birth Date: 7 Oct 1872
Birth Place: Newberg, Fillmore, Minnesota
Gender: Female
Race: White
Father's Name: Andrew Thompson
Father's Birth Place: Norway
Mother's name: Walber
Mother's Birth Place: Norway
FHL Film Number: 1316799 |
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jwiborg
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Posted - 11/05/2014 : 11:21:14
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Thompson or Thomson is definitely not a Norwegian name.
It is an anglicized version of one of the following Norwegian names. I assume all of these names could in some settings become Thompson in America.
Tostensen
Torstensen
Tollefsen
Thorvaldsen
Torgersen
Tønnessen
Thorsen
Tobiassen
Theodorsen
Thoresen
Thomassen
"Thompson" means "son of Thomp" and "Thomp" has never been a name in Norway.
This weekend, I was looking for a Thomas Thompson in Minnesota myself, and it turned out his name in Norway was Thorsten Paulsen.
He had taken the lastname of Thompson from his father, which had been anglicized from Thorstensen. |
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jungfigh
Senior member
Malta
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Posted - 11/05/2014 : 11:47:41
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Thank-you Jan Peter;
So I presume the names you gave were Anglcised after emigration either to America or Britain...is that correct..? |
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jwiborg
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Posted - 11/05/2014 : 13:09:01
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Originally posted by jungfigh
Thank-you Jan Peter;
So I presume the names you gave were Anglcised after emigration either to America or Britain...is that correct..?
Yes.
I don't say that all of these names were changed to Thompson, there were no guiding rules to follow...
Typically; Thomassen would easily become Thompson. Others were changed simply due to it was hard to pronounce ... Like Tostensen/Torstensen. |
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JaneC
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jungfigh
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Posted - 12/05/2014 : 09:42:44
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Thank-you Jan Peter...Thank-you Jane: A very interesting link.
Pardon my naivety: Why do so many Scandinavians Anglicise their names when emigrating, to wherever...Is it a legal requirement or a personal choice..? |
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jwiborg
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Posted - 12/05/2014 : 13:00:12
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Originally posted by jungfigh
Thank-you Jan Peter...Thank-you Jane: A very interesting link.
Pardon my naivety: Why do so many Scandinavians Anglicise their names when emigrating, to wherever...Is it a legal requirement or a personal choice..?
Good question. And to follow up... why are people named William called Bill? Why is Richard called Dick? Why was Robert called Bob? And why is James referred to as Jim? 
Lets say your name was Lauritz Thorbjoernsen. Your fellow americans; including your teacher, your next door neighbour, your doctor, your native english wife, they would all have problems pronouncing your name.
You didn't change it the day you arrived in America, but maybe people started by calling you Louis? A name much easier to pronouce for an American, and maybe even easier to remember...? Others who were named Thorbjoern maybe was called Thomas or Tom.
And the census-taker; when they came to the houses to write down who lived there, I guess they didn't care to ask how Thorbjørn or Lauritz spelled his name, they wrote it down how they think it sounded... The name change was a process that took years, maybe decades. You might even see that the name is spelled in a Norwegian way in the US-1880 census in Norwegian archives, compared to an American spelling at Familysearch or Ancestry.
So it could happen that Lauritz was still called by that name by his children and wife, allthough the census spelled his name as Louis.
Still confused? |
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JaneC
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Posted - 12/05/2014 : 14:17:01
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Also think - it[s not only a process in which Scandinavian immigrants Anglicized their names. Immigrants in general adapted their names in order to assimilate to their new milieu, whether or not the antecedents of their adopted country were English. For example, in Canada Paul probably remained Paul - but in Brazil, Paul became Pablo. People varied and the situations in which they found themselves varied.
When in Rome, do as the Romans do.
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