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Erik Carsten
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Posted - 04/01/2011 :  19:28:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
[thank you Jan Peter
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Kċarto
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Posted - 04/01/2011 :  19:53:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Erik,
probably A. Pomerantz I mentioned Dec. 31. in Oslo in 1900 was either Chiel´s brother or a close relative since both were born in Kolbysov "Ĝsterige" Austria, borders in Europe have changed a lot since 1900, see #175017

Kċre

Edited by - Kċarto on 04/01/2011 20:36:35
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Erik Carsten
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Posted - 04/01/2011 :  20:20:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Kare, yes that would make sense. Thank you for your help. It looks like the children, however were brought up in the Lutheran faith.

Thank you.
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Kċarto
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Posted - 04/01/2011 :  22:58:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The civil marraige 1883, 1. column right page, tells that Chiel Pomeranz father was Markus Pomeranz (borgerlig stilling ikke opgived) civil staus not stated.

Kċre
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Erik Carsten
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Posted - 05/01/2011 :  21:55:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It is my belief that Chiel Pomeranz b. 1862 changed his name to Charles Mortenson once he immigrated to America. If they are in fact the same person, he would have immigrated in 1887, one year prior to his wife and 3 children who immigrated in 1888 and their immigration records can be found in the digitalarkivet as Pommerantsen.

U.S. Census information has used variations of spelling for Mortenson, including Mortensen, Martinson, and Martensen.....and for reasons unknown claimed that both he and his parents were born in Norway. I have found all the census records that I need but do not see his immigration record in 1887.

If they are the same persons, then we know that he was born in
Kolbuszowa, Austria and most likely that's where his parents were born as well.

I have looked but have not seen any immigration records in 1887 for Pomeranz (Pomerantz, Pommerantsen Pommeranz.....etc that would seem to work, nor Mortenson and the various spellings. He would have been immigrating to New York.

Can you see anything on your end?

As always, your help is most appreciated.
Erik.

Edited by - Erik Carsten on 05/01/2011 21:57:23
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Kċarto
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Posted - 05/01/2011 :  23:40:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hit a (hopefully temporary) brick wall.
I´ve searched for Pomeranz and Charles/Carl/Karl Mortenson in varoius spellings as emigrant, immigrant, passenger, genealogy, familytrees etc. without any luck.

Kċre
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Erik Carsten
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Posted - 05/01/2011 :  23:44:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
yes, I have as well. It is telling, however, that his wife and children came over to the United States as Pommerentsen (pomeranz)......you would think he would have used that name as well...

the loss of the U.S. 1890 census continues to make things more difficult......
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Kċarto
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Posted - 06/01/2011 :  00:29:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I would think he would have emigrated as Chiel Pomeranz.

To emigrate Chiel had to apply for excemption from military if he was not already exempt, he was 25 and Norway gradually upgraded the army due to an unwanted union with Sweden (ended 1905), and get permits and govermental passport.

Kċre

Edited by - Kċarto on 06/01/2011 00:31:04
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Erik Carsten
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Posted - 06/01/2011 :  03:55:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have found the marriage record for the couple that is one of the main subjects of this thread, Louise and August Dahl. If you remember Louise had married and she had two boys by this marriage. In a very short time she lost both of her boys to menengits and her husband died of cancer.

She remarried and this is the record of her marriage. Her husband, August Dahl, was from Minnesota but I have learned recently that he went to Canada to raise enough money to go to Norway to see the crowning of King Haakon.

I don't know if the marriage to Louise Reese was by design or by chance, but I was wondering if you could make out August's occupation?

Also, what is the significance of the date August 1, 1906? in the column reserved for date of confirmation?

What is written to the far right column with a date of August 2, 1906?

Thank you,Marriage Record #150 (August Gerhardt Dahl and Louise Reese)

Edited by - Erik Carsten on 06/01/2011 16:16:20
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Kċarto
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Posted - 06/01/2011 :  17:14:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Certificate from the probate register.

One of them had been married before.

Kċre
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Erik Carsten
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Posted - 06/01/2011 :  17:27:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Kċre

Can you make out what August states is his occupation?

thank you?
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Kċarto
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Posted - 06/01/2011 :  18:09:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Erik,
August 2. is the date of the probate, 5 days before they married.

The marriage record don´t tell which of them who had been married.

Kċre
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Erik Carsten
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Posted - 06/01/2011 :  18:31:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
[Kċre

If you look to the columns on the left you will see the numbers 1 and 2. I presume the 2 indicates second marriage, and this number is referenced for Louise. This was, in fact, her second marriage so that makes sense.

Thank you.
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Kċarto
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Posted - 06/01/2011 :  18:43:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Of course, you have a sharp eye, Louise Reese had been married before.

One day all probate register ´s will be online.

Kċre
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jwiborg
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Posted - 06/01/2011 :  19:04:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Btw; Louise was a godparent at Fredrik Pomeranz' christening. I guess you know that.

Jan Peter
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