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jkmarler
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Erik Carsten
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Erik Carsten
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 Posted - 28/01/2016 : 04:00:50
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it would appear then these people are in fact the same....here they are in 1880 census under the name of 'Nelson"....see Anna would correspond to 'Anne" in the immigrations records you referenced, as year of birth would be 1863....and her older sister Ingeborg, born around 1858....I wonder what became of her? Do you see a death record for her prior to 1880? or perhaps she has married by then and can be found under a different family name.
http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1880usfedcen&indiv=try&h=23965855 |
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JaneC
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Posted - 28/01/2016 : 04:03:04
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This one is for the shoebox - might be parents of Niels Nielsen Folkedal, given that his first born daughter and son are Brita and Niels
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/bosted_land/bf01038234005129
A naming pattern we seem to see is for a Norwegian immigrant to use patronymic name in early US records and switch to farm name in later records.
Brita born 1859 corresponds to "Ingeborg" age 7 traveling in 1865 with Niels, Ingeborg, and little Anne. Possibly a careless mistake makes Brita into "Ingeborg" (mistaken repeat of the woman's name). Brita might then be Bertha in the 1880 you posted.
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Erik Carsten
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Posted - 28/01/2016 : 04:08:55
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| Jane, I am going off line for a couple of hours but I want you to know that the children in the immigration records are NOT part of the 'Nelson" family of 1880. To make matter more complicated there are Bjorgo people involved and I have confirmed that the Anna age 2 is the daughter of Knut and Bryteva Bjorgo. Anne was born 3-31-1862 also in Hordaland...other children by this marriage were Haldor, 12-28-1860 and Rannveig, 8-5-1866. |
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JaneC
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Posted - 28/01/2016 : 04:10:47
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Nothing is confirmed without sources!!!!! There is no such confirmation in this thread. The 1880 census is not confirmed here as being any body - it is a good candidate to be the Niels Nielsen Folkedahl family. The Big Canoe Church is the family's church in the USA, and the records for it are,available through Ancestry.com. More of the story can be pulled from there, by anyone who has access (many of us do not).
The 1900 census for Nels Folkedahl (posted by Jackie) has him born March 1834, which corresponds to the gravestone for Niels Nielsen Folkedahl (photo posted on Iowa Genweb website). The 1900 census has Niels married to "Britava," which could easily be the wife Bertha in the 1880 - and it could be the same person you mention as "Bryteva Bjorgo."
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M9L1-TMS
Obviously the candidate 1880 census has a Ronnaug or Ronveig or similar who is likely not a birth child of the Niels we've been looking at. And Niels must be found to remarry after Ingeborg death, to a Bertha (or Norwegian equivalent). The blended family may be a blend with the family you propose (the mother's name is right) but that needs to be demonstrated.
There is no such thing as you or I confirming a genealogy fact - not unless we were there and took notes. Appropriate evidence alone can tell the tale.
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jkmarler
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jkmarler
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Posted - 28/01/2016 : 05:14:45
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Erik's post this page"........and her older sister Ingeborg, born around 1858....I wonder what became of her? Do you see a death record for her prior to 1880? or perhaps she has married by then and can be found under a different family name."
Here is a record concerning the child of a woman whose maiden name is Ingeborg Folkendal. Perhaps she is Nils' missing daughter.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XVCR-8Q6
There is an Ingeborg Johannesdatter Folkedal born in 1858 who was confirmed in Big Canoe in 1873. Her parents are identified as Johannes Arentson and Margrete Folkedal. |
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JaneC
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Posted - 28/01/2016 : 05:29:27
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| I think Erik is talking about Knut Haldorsen Bjørge from Voss - not sure |
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JaneC
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Posted - 28/01/2016 : 05:43:11
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Yes, here is Knud Haldorsen Bjørgo departing Voss, Hordaland, in April 1871 (with wife Barbraa Simonsdatter) long after Niels Nielsen Folkendahl set sail - and Knut has his own children in tow. Good heavens, I should hope so. The children Haldor (b 28 Dec 1860), Anne (b 31 Mar 1862), and Rannveig (b 05 Aug 1866) have the exact birth dates that Erik stated. A fourth child, Lars, is listed with birth date 02 June 1870 (see Lars memorial below).
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070104620499.jpg
If Knut married Brytteva (Larsdatter?), it must have been before or after this current wife.
So much for confirmation of the story that Niels was accompanied by Knut's daughter Anne, rather than his own daughter Anne, noted as age 2 in the 1865 emigration.
Lars Bjorgo memorial on Find a Grave at Big Canoe cemetery in Winneshiek county, Iowa,
says he was born 02 June 1870
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=96463745
Knut Haldorsson Bjorgo died 1875 according to Find a Grave and is buried at Big Canoe.
1865 census in Voss, Hordaland for Knut Haldorsen and wife Barbraa Simonsdatter and children:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01038235010328
This family researcher says that after Nils Nilsen Folkedahl's wife Synneva died, Nils married Synneva's sister Ingeborg. More research needed to know whether they really are sisters.
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wgnorway/par-e-f.htm
Gravestone in Big Canoe Cemetery in Winneshiek county, Iowa, is shared by Nils and Brytteva:
Brytteva Folkedahl
http://iowagravestones.org/gs_view.php?id=444871
Nils N Folkedahl
http://iowagravestones.org/gs_view.php?id=444869
Click on "post it note" to see a message from a descendant. He writes that Brytteva was born 11 Nov 1839 in Voss, parents Lars Larsen Bjørgo and Inger Sjursdatter.
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jkmarler
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Posted - 28/01/2016 : 15:36:11
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There is a death for Ingeborg Fredriksdatter in Big Canoe registers
pg 152 #1 wife Ingeborg Fredriksdatter aged 26, died 22 Nov 1857 buried 3 May 1858 and the #2 is a child Anne Nielsdatter aged 5 1/2 died 5 Dec1857 also buried 3 May 1858
Here is Ingeborg Fredriksdatter's confirmation #21 father is Fredrik Erikson:
Kildeinformasjon: Hordaland fylke, Ulvik, Ministerialbok nr. A 13 (1853-1863), Konfirmerte 1859, side 113.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8315&idx_id=8315&uid=ny&idx_side=-114
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Erik Carsten
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Posted - 28/01/2016 : 15:51:23
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| Jackie...nicely done. this is coming together nicely. |
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JaneC
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Posted - 28/01/2016 : 16:09:27
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Jackie cites a death of an Ingeborg Fredriksdatter recorded in the Big Canoe church book, page 152.
The death is #1 on the page.
This Ingeborg Fredriksdatter was age 26.
The year is 1857.
Erik, you cited a death of an Ingeborg (Fredriksdatter?).
The death was #1 on the -?- page in the Big Canoe register.
That Ingeborg was age 26.
The year was 1867.
This begs the question - are there two women who died?
Or are you both referring to the same record, and the year "1867" is a typo?
If there is only one death that you both mention and the year 1857 applies, this cannot be the Ingeborg Fredriksdatter Folkedahl who emigrated in 1865.
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Erik Carsten
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