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Erik Carsten
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 Posted - 14/02/2009 : 02:23:05
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Originally posted by eibache
Anders mother Gunnild Sivertsdatter Berdahl was bapt Nov 21 1802, see 23 S.e.T. on right hand page here
Gunnild Sivertsdatters parents Sivert Berntsen, Bordal and Ingeborg Andersdatter Bræk was engaged 2nd day of X-mas 1792 and married April 8 1793, see right hand page here
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Eibache, I have drawn out a family tree and it just hit me. I think that Sivert Berntsen and Ingeborg Andersdatter are the same grandparents on the maternal side...both for Anders and Ingeborg....so they are second cousins?
No wonder this family is so confusing, there are so many Anders and Siverts and Andersens and Siverstsens etc.
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eibache
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Posted - 14/02/2009 : 09:05:25
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Horrig, Horig and HORG - same places
Cause of deaths:
Sivert - (tæring) tuberculosis
Rasmus - (ansigtskræft) cancer in the face
Halvor - (lungetuberkulose) tuberculosis |
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Edited by - eibache on 14/02/2009 09:10:14 |
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Erik Carsten
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Posted - 15/02/2009 : 02:03:23
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thank you.
Can you see any information about Olaf Halversen Dahl, b. 1878 immigrating to America in 1900. He is listed on the Sør Varanger uttflytte #1 in the year 1900#1 Olaf Halversen Dahl |
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eibache
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Posted - 15/02/2009 : 19:23:00
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Bachelor and farmers son Oluf Halvorsen Dahl Jakobselv born 1878 moved out August 1900. He got migration attestations containing birth and confirmation date and his parents name and profession dated August 2.
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Erik Carsten
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Posted - 16/02/2009 : 22:02:45
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and here is his brother, Ellev's confirmation record, also in Vardø!
1853 #2 (Ellev's Confiramtion record)
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I've really tried hard to find Ellev Andersen. I know he was confirmed in 1853 here in Vardo, but I could NOT find him in the 1865 or 1875 Census information. I have looked at death records and migration records, unless I've missed it......could somebody please double check the Finnmark records between 1853 and 1865?
Ellev Andersen born 2-4-1838, parents Anders Rasmussen Nordtomme and Gunnild Siversdatter Confirmed in VARDO in 1853....see above record.
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Erik Carsten
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Posted - 16/02/2009 : 23:38:41
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Berit 3-10-1841
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Berit did not make the journey to Finnmark. I am trying to find out what happened to her as well. Do you think this record could show her passing in 1845?
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eibache
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Posted - 17/02/2009 : 08:54:33
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Berit did not make the journey to Finnmark. I am trying to find out what happened to her as well. Do you think this record could show her passing in 1845?
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Erik Carsten
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Posted - 18/02/2009 : 20:53:12
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Thank you for your confirmation.
Now, for Ellev Andersen. I have looked and looked and I found this birth record for Carl Edvard born July 22, 1866. His parents look to be Nordmand Ellef Andersen Dahl and Gurine Marcelie Charlote Mikkelsdatter?
I tried to find these people on the 1865 and 1875 census but no luck......what do you think? What does Nordmand represent. Is this his name? Or where he comes from? Why can't I find them in the census information?
NO # for birth of Carl Edvard (in between #36 and #37 |
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eibache
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Posted - 18/02/2009 : 22:37:00
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Interesting find, I think "Nordmand" simply means Norwegian, I assume he and his wife (who could very well have been Finnish) were not living in Norway. Jakobselv is the border with Russia and maybe they were living on the "wrong" side of the river, but still baptized cildren in the Norwegian church. Ellevs brother Sivert was living at one of the Jakobselv farms and can be found in the 1865 census.
Ellef Andersen Dahl, 23 1/4 years old married Marcelie Charlotte Michaelsen 16 1/2 years old on June 23 1861, see #3
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Erik Carsten
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Posted - 18/02/2009 : 23:01:35
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yes, this might be Anders and Sivert Dahl's brother. I did a google on Dahl and Grense Jakobselv and I came across a very interesting website that dealt with Titantic survivors. Apparently there was a Karl Edward Dahl b. 1866 who was on the Titanic and there are websites that research the people who were on board.
That is how I found his birth record and I posted it for you to see.
The write-up on Karl Dahl states his father was Nordmand Ellef Andersen Dahl who was born in 1838, just like the Ellev Dahl we researched earlier. The write-up states that he moved to Grense Jakobselv to help build King Oscar II chapel........
The article further claims that Ellef and his wife Marcelie had 10 children......as we cannot find them on any census record in 1865 or 1875 your theory makes the most sense.......
Apparently, most of this family ended up in in Fingal, North Dakota. I will attempt to contact the local historical society there to confirm if these people are indeed relatives.
edited to show the town in North Dakota as FINGAL.
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Erik Carsten
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Posted - 18/02/2009 : 23:37:41
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| Eibache...very interesting! Marcelie Charlotte?.......French?....... |
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Erik Carsten
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Posted - 19/02/2009 : 00:05:18
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#65 Vilhemine Dahl b. 12-4-1862
Here is a child born to Ellef and Marcelie, although in this record she is listed as Marselia..... |
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Erik Carsten
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Posted - 19/02/2009 : 01:54:33
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Eibache. Yes, I think you must be right. Look at baptism records for children of Ellef Andersen and his brother Halvor Andersen. They were baptized the same day in 1869 in Sør Varanger.
#34 and #35
Note they list both families are from Jakobselv (Rusland). I presume they mean in Russian Territory? That would explain why they were not found in any census.
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Erik Carsten
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Posted - 19/02/2009 : 02:01:15
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Eibache,
here is another child born to Ellev Andersen Dahl named Nikolai Ragnvald, born June 26, 1871
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eibache
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Posted - 19/02/2009 : 07:56:09
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Eibache...very interesting! Marcelie Charlotte?.......French?.......
- in the marriage record you find that Marcelie was born in Tromsøe and that her father was a shoemaker.
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Look at baptism records for children of Ellef Andersen and his brother Halvor Andersen. They were baptized the same day in 1869 in Sør Varanger.
Sivert Dahls son Bernhard (#33) was bapt on the same day as well!
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Edited by - eibache on 19/02/2009 08:13:27 |
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