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AntonH
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Jedi92851
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 Posted - 08/01/2010 : 00:46:47
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Jedi92851
Junior member
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Posted - 08/01/2010 : 00:49:52
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Originally posted by lyndal40
Thanks, using the J helped. Here he is, unfortunately his place of birth is not given.
Name: Hartvik John Hanson
County: Marshall
State: Minnesota
Birth Date: 26 Jun 1881
Race: White
FHL Roll Number: 1675518
Great job! I couldn't find it. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 08/01/2010 : 01:42:31
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Here is the birth record for Margrethe. She was born July 7, 1868. So unless you have an incorrect birth date for your Maggie this is probably not the right person
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AntonH
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Jedi92851
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Posted - 08/01/2010 : 02:12:33
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That will be a great help!!
I just found where Edwards mother, Henrike Hansdatter b, 06 Jun 1828 or 1829 came over several years before him 1881. She was widowed and had 9 children, five alive in 1900. It looks like her husband, Hans Larson b 27 Aug 1824 may have died in Norway. I think many from that family settled in the same area here in Minnesota. That might be why Edward came after first his wife may have died. I did find things I wasn't even looking for. LOL |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 08/01/2010 : 08:05:15
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Sorry, but we can exlude Margrete Olsdatter born on Skaanland in Steigen 1868.
She married Peder Simon Willumsen Lillesæter (Peder Jacobsen Lillesæter in the 1900 census) July 1892.
Lund means a small collection of trees surrounded by fields or pasture land used in several contexts such as Birch grove, Pine grove, Oak grove etc.
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 08/01/2010 : 18:31:56
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Hi,
Maggie is also a diminuitive of Magdelena. Here is a Magdalene living in Saltdalen (also born there) in 1875:
4 Magdalene Olsdatter k d ug 1868 Saltdalen b
and another born in Hol which I think may be the Hol in the Lofoten:
7 Magdalene Olsdatter k d 1869 Hols Sogn, Lød. b
Might be worth a look in the parish registers.
Here is the 2nd Magdalene's baptism. Birthdate is given as 12 June 1868:
Source information: Nordland county, Hol in Lødingen, Parish register (official) nr. 865A01 (1864-1884), Birth and baptism records 1868, page 23, #21.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=10015&idx_id=10015&uid=ny&idx_side=-27
Permanent imagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070214700414.jpg
Sorry the 2nd Magdalene also unlikely. Googled and found Dragland family assoc. webpage and her information is here:
179 Magdalena Olivia Petrike Olsdatter b: Jun 12 1868 at Dragland. Worked as a maid. m: Peter Andreas Berg Eidissen
179.1 Kaspara Nikoline Eidissen b: May 8 1891 m: Waldemar Olav Waldemarsen b: May 9 1880 [See: DFA 173.1]
179.2 Regine Regine Fredrikke Eidissen b: Oct 3 1895
The first Magdalene's baptism in Saltdal birthdate of Oct also makes her less likely:
Source information: Nordland county, Saltdal, Parish register copy nr. 847C06 (1854-1870), Birth and baptism records 1868, page 66 #50.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=16625&idx_id=16625&uid=ny&idx_side=-67
Permanent imagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20071029630425.jpg
Hilsen,
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 08/01/2010 : 19:16:05
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Saltdal is south from Lofoten.
Magdalene Johanne Olsdatter you found in Saltdal Jackie was born Oct. 3. 1868 on Dragseid.
Her father called himslef Olin Olsen, Olin is a mixture of his former name Ole Lind (Ole Olsen Lind)
There were 60 persons with last name Lund living in Nordland County in 1865.
Lofoten is the northern district in Nordland County
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Edited by - Kåarto on 08/01/2010 19:26:03 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 08/01/2010 : 19:46:52
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Hi,
Thanks for great map showing Lofoten. Of the familysearch parishes connected with Lofoten, these are the ones left needing looking: Borge, Buksnaes, Gimsoy, Hol (I only looked beginning in 1869 and back until I found the June Magdalene in 1868), Svolvaer, Valberg. You have looked at Vaagen, Vest Vagoy, Flakstad, Moskenes, Vaeroy, Rost.
I looked for Magdalenes since Maggie is how she was recorded in the Trondheim migrants and her marriage record in US and it is equally used short form of Magdalene and Margaret in US.
Having looked at those on Lund farms in Nordland in 1865, it might be useful to also add Brønoy and Alstahaug too (even though they are not part of Lofoten) since there are Ole heads of growing families in each of those places on Lund farms.
Hilsen,
Jackie M. |
Edited by - jkmarler on 08/01/2010 20:14:33 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 12/01/2010 : 05:08:36
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Hi,
Here is a short list of Margrethe born 1867-1868 in the following parishes in Lofoten:
Borge : Johanne Margrete b. 14 Nov 1867
Buksnaes: Dorothea Margrethe b. 9 Aug 1867
Buksnaes: Amalie Margrethe b. 14 May 1867
Buksnaes: Lovise Margrethe b. 10 Oct 1867
Buksnaes: Amalie Van_____ Margrethe b. 2 Jan 1868
Gimsoy in Vaagen: None
Hol in Lødingen: Gregine (?) Magrete b. 16 Mar 1867
Hol in Lødingen: Anna Margrethe b. 2 June 1867
Hol in Lødingen: Hansine Margrete b. 29 Aug 1867
Hol in Lødingen: Margrethe Sofie b. 16 Sept 1867
Lødingen in Lødingen: Ellen Margrete b. 31 July 1867
Tysfjord in Lødingen: Bergrethe Margrethe b. 19 Jan 1867
Valberg in Borge: None
None of these have the exact birthdate of Maggie Hanson in the US.
Searching the 1875 census at the digitalarkivet for people whose birthplaces begin with lo and whose first name contains ma found a total of 10 all but one of these were born more than 5 years out from 1867 that is 1862 and earlier. Only one was even close to the birthyear a girl named Nikoline Magrete Andreasdatter. The census says she was born in Vaagen Lofoten but her baptism was not recorded there, although her birthplace is mentioned as Vaagen in the baptismal record, but in Steigen, with her birthdate given as 25 July 1865, birthplace as Primas (?) in Vaagen and parents were unmarried man Andreas Blom Olsen and unmarried woman named Jensine Olsdatter born it looks like Orknaes in Laskestad. Laskestad is the place where this Nikoline is living in 1875 with her mother, stepfather and her grandparents.
Also I checked for an obit for Margrethe Hanson in the Grand Forks Herald and found none.
Hilsen,
Jackie M. |
Edited by - jkmarler on 13/01/2010 19:51:47 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 17/01/2010 : 20:08:52
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Hi,
Since the obvious, appropriate and straight forward candidates for Margrethe have thinned out, here is a bit more about the unlikely Nikoline Margrete Andreasdatter:
Source information: Nordland county, Steigen, Parish register (official) nr. 855A09 (1864-1874), Birth and baptism records 1865, page 21.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=2620&idx_id=2620&uid=ny&idx_side=-21
Permanent imagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20050421010301.jpg
Her baptism / birth is number 57 on the page. Having studied the farm names closer the father's residence seems more like Orsnes than the Primas, I interpreted before. Deciding that sent me back to the 1865 transcription of Vaagen and here is what I found:
There is an Andreas Olsen employed on ørsnes listed in the 1865 census transcription. He was born approximately 1841 in Steigen, is single.
Then in the 1875 census there is an Andreas Ols b. about 1838 in Steigen a husmand on Lund. Perhaps he is the same as the Andreas on ørnes? Here is his family:
Circuit no. Circuit Residence no. Residence Farm no.
462 7 Steigen 68 Lund 216a1
Pers.no. Household Given name Last name Sex Family pos. Marital status Occupation Year of birth Birth place Resid. status Cattle Sheep Potatoes
2887 1 1 Andreas Olsen m hf g Husmd med Jord og Fisker 1838 Stegens S. og Pgld. b 1 6 2
2888 2 Ragnild Andersdatter k Hans Kone g 1845 Jordanger Sogn Hafslo Pgld. i Sogn b
2889 3 Oluf Andreasen m Son Forsorges af Fadern 1868 Stegens S. og Pgld. b
2890 4 Martin Andreasen m Son Forsorges af Fadern 1871 Stegens S. og Pgld. b
2891 5 Leonard Andreasen m Son Forsorges af Fadern 1874 Stegens S. og Pgld.
Nikoline is not a perfect candidate. Her birth year, birth month do not match the US records. Her given name is not Margrete but Nikoline, only her middle name is Margrete. Her father's name is not Ole although her father's patronymic name is Olsen, and her morfar is Ole Abrahamsen. She was born in the Lofoten islands however and raised elsewhere, even if it's just across the water. A further connection to Trondein (Trondenes or Trondhjem) would have to be found.
If the Andreas outlined above is the same man as her father there is a small, tenuous avenue to the use of the Lund name. (Their birthyears differ in the census transcriptions) I haven't found Nikoline in any records after 1875, neither she, nor her mother, stepfather, her grandparents were on Laskestad in the 1900 census.
Jackie M. |
Edited by - jkmarler on 17/01/2010 20:11:41 |
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Jedi92851
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Posted - 18/01/2010 : 16:54:25
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Thank you Jackie for all your time and hard work. The information you have found is all very good but it doesn't quite fit well enough to make me comfortable enough to use it but I certainly will keep it in mind. I do think she could have very likely been born to unwed parents and that could be the reason there has been no information about family or siblings. I wish I had more information to give you. You know that name Nikoline just rung a bell. Her first born and a daughter has that middle name. Hmmmm!
The more I look at this...the better it looks. |
Edited by - Jedi92851 on 18/01/2010 17:18:05 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 18/01/2010 : 18:05:48
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Hi Jedi,
Nikoline Margrete's grandmother, mormor is named Nikoline so very likely the source for that name.
Yes, the possible connection is a stretch and you should continue to seek someone who might be a better match to the data you have in US.
Good Luck to you!
Jackie M. |
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Jedi92851
Junior member
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Posted - 18/01/2010 : 18:26:27
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| This is the first place I have ever seen the name Nikoline. It may be common in Norway but I have followed many generations in my tree and have seen the way they keep using certain names in families and also how they use their middle names rather than first names. I also have seen where the wrong dates of births have been recorded. My first grandfathers birth date was 2 years off in most records I found. Even my own mother didn't know her real first name until just before she died. I will keep an open mind but this really does look good. I need to follow up on this. Thank you so much. |
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