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karenanderson
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 Posted - 17/10/2010 : 01:55:11
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| thanks for the information, wasn't sure. |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 17/10/2010 : 02:21:59
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The brothers emigrating in 1895:
Anthon Martinius, born 18-Dec-1880, chr 01-Jan-1881, Fjære, Aust-Agder
Parents: Sailor Isak Aanonsen b.1851 & Marie Salvesdtr b.1858, Bie
Søren Robert, born 27-Oct-1882, chr 05-Nov-1882, Fjære, Aust-Agder
Parents: Sailor Isak Aanonsen b.1851 & Marie Salvesdtr b.1858, Gjømle
Census-1900 for New York City, Richmond, New York:
Hans Olsen, head, b. Aug 1857 in Norway, married 1893, imm 1890 ship carpenter
Mary Olsen, wife b. Apr 1858 in Norway, mother of 6 children, 5 living, imm 1889 (??)
Anton Olsen, son, b. Dec 1880 in Norway, imm 1895, deck-hand
Robert Olsen, son, b. Nov 1882 in Norway, imm 1895, deck-hand
Mathez Olsen, son, b. Mar 1888 in Norway, imm 1893, at school = Issac M Anderson ??
Olaf Olsen, son, b. Oct 1893 in New York, at school
Hilda Olsen, daughter, b. Aug 1897 in New York
Could Mary Olsen be Marie Salvesdtr?
The 1875-census list Marie Salvesdatter as born in Iveland, Evje parish, Aust-Agder. This looks like her christening record:
Mari Salvesdatter
Born: 06 Apr 1858
Christening: 09 May 1858, Iveland in Evje, Aust-Agder,
Parents: Salve Olsen & Ragnhild Salvesdatter, Svengestøl
She is born in April 1858 which fits with the Mary Olsen in Richmond, 1900.
I think we soon have enough evidence to say that your Issac M Anderson is the son of Isak Mathias Aanonsen and Marie Salvesdatter.
But where does Issac's last name Anderson come from? Did his mother marry again for a 3rd time, with an Anderson?
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Edited by - jwiborg on 17/10/2010 03:10:41 |
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Lislcat
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Posted - 17/10/2010 : 03:35:01
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I agree with what was said before, that Aanonsen, sounds like Anderson, which was a name that was already known in the U.S. Unless, we can find that she had remarried, I would think that the family changed it. My family did something similar.
The Evje area is very beautiful! I have cousins that live in that area. I think Jan Peter could also tell you more about it.  |
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karenanderson
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Posted - 17/10/2010 : 04:57:20
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quote:
Originally posted by jwiborg
The brothers emigrating in 1895:
Anthon Martinius, born 18-Dec-1880, chr 01-Jan-1881, Fjære, Aust-Agder
Parents: Sailor Isak Aanonsen b.1851 & Marie Salvesdtr b.1858, Bie
Søren Robert, born 27-Oct-1882, chr 05-Nov-1882, Fjære, Aust-Agder
Parents: Sailor Isak Aanonsen b.1851 & Marie Salvesdtr b.1858, Gjømle
Census-1900 for New York City, Richmond, New York:
Hans Olsen, head, b. Aug 1857 in Norway, married 1893, imm 1890 ship carpenter
Mary Olsen, wife b. Apr 1858 in Norway, mother of 6 children, 5 living, imm 1889 (??)
Anton Olsen, son, b. Dec 1880 in Norway, imm 1895, deck-hand
Robert Olsen, son, b. Nov 1882 in Norway, imm 1895, deck-hand
Mathez Olsen, son, b. Mar 1888 in Norway, imm 1893, at school = Issac M Anderson ??
Olaf Olsen, son, b. Oct 1893 in New York, at school
Hilda Olsen, daughter, b. Aug 1897 in New York
Could Mary Olsen be Marie Salvesdtr?
The 1875-census list Marie Salvesdatter as born in Iveland, Evje parish, Aust-Agder. This looks like her christening record:
Mari Salvesdatter
Born: 06 Apr 1858
Christening: 09 May 1858, Iveland in Evje, Aust-Agder,
Parents: Salve Olsen & Ragnhild Salvesdatter, Svengestøl
She is born in April 1858 which fits with the Mary Olsen in Richmond, 1900.
I think we soon have enough evidence to say that your Issac M Anderson is the son of Isak Mathias Aanonsen and Marie Salvesdatter.
But where does Issac's last name Anderson come from? Did his mother marry again for a 3rd time, with an Anderson?
Jan Peter
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karenanderson
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Posted - 17/10/2010 : 05:10:44
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quote:
Originally posted by jwiborg
The brothers emigrating in 1895:
Anthon Martinius, born 18-Dec-1880, chr 01-Jan-1881, Fjære, Aust-Agder
Parents: Sailor Isak Aanonsen b.1851 & Marie Salvesdtr b.1858, Bie
Søren Robert, born 27-Oct-1882, chr 05-Nov-1882, Fjære, Aust-Agder
Parents: Sailor Isak Aanonsen b.1851 & Marie Salvesdtr b.1858, Gjømle
Census-1900 for New York City, Richmond, New York:
Hans Olsen, head, b. Aug 1857 in Norway, married 1893, imm 1890 ship carpenter
Mary Olsen, wife b. Apr 1858 in Norway, mother of 6 children, 5 living, imm 1889 (??)
Anton Olsen, son, b. Dec 1880 in Norway, imm 1895, deck-hand
Robert Olsen, son, b. Nov 1882 in Norway, imm 1895, deck-hand
Mathez Olsen, son, b. Mar 1888 in Norway, imm 1893, at school = Issac M Anderson ??
Olaf Olsen, son, b. Oct 1893 in New York, at school
Hilda Olsen, daughter, b. Aug 1897 in New York
Could Mary Olsen be Marie Salvesdtr?
The 1875-census list Marie Salvesdatter as born in Iveland, Evje parish, Aust-Agder. This looks like her christening record:
Mari Salvesdatter
Born: 06 Apr 1858
Christening: 09 May 1858, Iveland in Evje, Aust-Agder,
Parents: Salve Olsen & Ragnhild Salvesdatter, Svengestøl
She is born in April 1858 which fits with the Mary Olsen in Richmond, 1900.
I think we soon have enough evidence to say that your Issac M Anderson is the son of Isak Mathias Aanonsen and Marie Salvesdatter.
But where does Issac's last name Anderson come from? Did his mother marry again for a 3rd time, with an Anderson?
Jan Peter
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karenanderson
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Posted - 17/10/2010 : 06:01:23
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This is more confusing each minute not sure where the name Anderson Aanonsen comes from. Not understanding why Issac would be born in 1887 sent to the United States, and the other children remained in Norway both being older than Isaac, could he had been born out of wedlock and sent to United States? My cousin told me today that she thought that Isaac and his wife Kathern were both orphans and that's how they meet in a orphanage home. Why is his father listed with same name? Let me search a little more on ancestry, maybe there is a marriage certificate that may have more information, I do appreciate everyone's help, I do know more in the last 24 hours than I knew..  |
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karenanderson
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Posted - 17/10/2010 : 06:47:44
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| I found where my great great grandparents names were listed as Maren Cathrine Isaacksdr and Asnon Salvesen could this explain the M and also the Anderson from Norway Shows they were married April 23, 1832 Askay Hordaland Norway |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 17/10/2010 : 07:44:37
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The marriage record for your gg-grandparents is #6.
Aanon Salvesen was 27 1/2 years old. He was born in Loddefjord and his father was Salve Aanonsen.
Maren Cathrine Isaksdatter was 26 years old. She was also born in Loddefjord and her father was Isak Knudsen.
Their son, your great grandfather Isaak Mathias Aanonsen was born Oct 1 1851, see #27.
The family in 1865.
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jwiborg
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Posted - 17/10/2010 : 14:09:46
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Her is a plausible scenario:
Marie Salvesdatter became a widow shortly after the birth of her son Isak Mathias on March 20, 1887.
I have not found any burial of her husband Isak Mathias Aanonsen in that period, but he was a sailor, and could have perished at sea.
Being a sailor, he could also had "run away" from the family, and settled in a new country, but that is not so likely...
Anyway, as a widowed mother of 3 young boys, she would not have enough funds to support her kids, so she would need to seek help from the neighborhood, most likely her parents.
Her parents Salve Olsen & Ragnhild Salvesdr had relocated from Evje to Fjære around 1860, so they were living nearby.
Salve Olsen, born 1829, Ragnild Salvesdatter, born 1833
It looks like Marie's mother Ragnild Salvesdatter must have died between 1866-1885, because I've found these chr record and burials of infant boys:
Søren Robert Salvesen 07-Jan-1885 - 25-Feb-1885
Edvard Kristian Salvesen 21-Jan-1886 - 05-May-1886
Parents are listed as Salve Olsen & Karen Tonette Eriksdatter
It looks like this is the correct Salve Olsen, because the farmname is Sævelid, and the age is about right. This Salve Olsen died 27-Aug-1892.
Thus; his new wife Karen Tonette Eriksdatter became a widow in 1892, and then she would have difficulties supporting the kids, and she had to send them back to their mother, who had started a new life in America with her new husband Hans Olsen.
She started to send away the youngest (Isak Mathias), who had not started school yet, and two years later, the brothers Anton and Søren left.
Issac M Anderson history:
1887: Born as Isak Mathias Isaksen on March 20th. Parents: Isak Mathias Aanonsen and Marie Salvesdatter, Fjære, Aust Agder
1888: His father Isak Mathias Aanonsen dies in Kristansand on March 13. C.o.d.: "insania"
1889: His mother emigrates to America. Isak Mathias is brought up by grandfather Salve Olsen & his new wife Karen Tonette Eriksdatter
1892: Isak Isaksen (5) is sent to his mother in America on March 10th.
1892: Grandfather Salve Olsen dies on August 27th.
1900: Listed as Mathez Olsen in the US-census, together with siblings, mother and her new husband Hans Olsen.
1910: Listed as Isac M Anderson in the US-census, married to Katherine.
1918/1919. Dies
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Edited by - jwiborg on 17/10/2010 18:01:14 |
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karenanderson
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Posted - 17/10/2010 : 14:37:55
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I am showing burial place Kristiansand, Vest-Agder, Norway and his death March 13, 1888 Burial March 17, 1888...I did try to google Kristiansand cementaries with no success. I guess that would be fine if he was buried at sea, it would be nice to see a plot with his name. I guess knowing all of this is good enough, I can't believe how much I am learning. Our ancestors had it hard.  |
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jwiborg
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Posted - 17/10/2010 : 15:23:27
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Here is his burial record: link.
Seems like you know more about this family than what you have initially revealed...
Cause of death reads "Insania", e.g. he was mentally sick. Residence looks like Skippergade 46, which I believe is close to Eg Asylum in Kristiansand.
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Edited by - jwiborg on 17/10/2010 15:44:55 |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 17/10/2010 : 15:29:29
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Married seaman Isak Aanonsen, died March 13, burried March 17 1888, that's right, see #27.
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karenanderson
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Posted - 17/10/2010 : 16:30:37
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| In response to Eibache I love to research, and have been researching for a few months, as far as my family in Norway, I could not figure anything out. This last 48 hours I have learned so much. what concerns me is my great grandfather being listed mentally sick in 1888. I wonder if this is what we consider today as Alzheimers or Dementia....Just a thought. I would have never been able to get any of this information on my own. A whole new world has opened up. Thank you for your help. |
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jwiborg
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Posted - 17/10/2010 : 17:35:00
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Eg Asylum was opened in 1881, and was purely an Asylum for the mentally ill people the region, and not including dementia-patients I would guess.
The original name in 1881 was "Eg Sindssyge og aandsvageasyl"; in English: "Eg insane and retarded asylum".
I don't understand the address from his death record though..., if it is Skippergaten 46, it is actually some hundred yards away from the Eg Asylum, so he might not have been a patient there after all. Records from the Asylum might exist, and could verify that.
Census-1900 shows one "Ole Tønnesen" living at that Skippergaten 46. His occupation is actually nurse at a private institution!
Here is one "Mikal Amundsen" who has the same residence address at time of death. His cause of death reads "insanity", so this address must have been some institution for mentally ill people.
Anyway; Isak Aanonsen was only 36 years old when he died. A bit too early for Alzheimers. And his residence at the time of death was Kristiansand, which was some 70 km's (45 miles) away from his family in Fjære. Not a distance you would travel daily in those days.
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Edited by - jwiborg on 17/10/2010 17:59:35 |
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jwiborg
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Posted - 17/10/2010 : 20:10:38
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Census-1920 for Hudson, New Jersey shows one Mary Olsen, b. 1857, imm. 1889.
I don't have access to the details, but I'm wondering if these children lives in the same household?
Robbert Anderson, born 1912
Edward Anderson , born 1914
Catherine Anderson , born 1916
Emma Anderson, born 1919
Jan Peter |
Edited by - jwiborg on 17/10/2010 21:27:05 |
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Help me find my Great Grandfather Issac M Anderson
