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Erik Carsten
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Posted - 28/09/2011 :  05:30:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Jackie...I think I might be speaking with the wrong decendants......
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jkmarler
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Posted - 28/09/2011 :  05:31:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi,

Then its possible there are 2 John Hagens chasing through the records.

In the 1900 Duluth John G. Hagen family the wife's/ mother's name is Annie not Ingeborg.

Jackie M.
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Erik Carsten
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Posted - 28/09/2011 :  05:33:00  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by jkmarler

Hi,

Then its possible there are 2 John Hagens chasing through the records.

In the 1900 Duluth John G. Hagen family the wife's/ mother's name is Annie not Ingeborg.

Jackie M.


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i have seen it as both and I believe Annie and Ingeborg are the same as her Norwegian name was in fact Ingeborganna.....
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jkmarler
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Posted - 28/09/2011 :  05:34:15  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Erik Carsten

Jackie...I think I might be speaking with the wrong decendants......



Okay, so who do you really want to find?

Jackie M.
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Erik Carsten
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Posted - 28/09/2011 :  05:46:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jkmarler

quote:
Originally posted by Erik Carsten

Jackie...I think I might be speaking with the wrong decendants......



Okay, so who do you really want to find?

Jackie M.


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this one:

Here is a John Hagen d. 1921 from the Minnesota Deaths and Burials database at www.familysearch.org:


Name: John G. Hagen
Gender: Male
Burial Date:
Burial Place:
Death Date: 21 Apr 1921
Death Place: Duluth, St. Louis, Minnesota
Age: 74
Birth Date: 1847
Birthplace:
Occupation:
Race:
Marital Status:
Spouse's Name:
Father's Name: Gunder Hagen
Father's Birthplace:
Mother's Name:
Mother's Birthplace:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: B02148-1
System Origin: Minnesota-EASy
Source Film Number: 2218068
Reference Number: 23955-367


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lyndal40
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Posted - 28/09/2011 :  06:10:57  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here is a good match for the group you found in the Emigranter over Kristiana. He is travelling with Gunder G age 26, Johanna age 22 and Gunder age 1. There are also four other Hagens listed above and below this group. Is this the group that ended up in Plummer and could they be connected with the Duluth John Hagen in some fashion.

Name: Julius Hagen
Gender: Male
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Date of Arrival: 28 Apr 1883
Vessel: Parisian
Search Ship Database: View the 'Parisian' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: Baltimore, Maryland and Halifax, Nova Scotia
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England

Edited by - lyndal40 on 28/09/2011 06:11:53
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Erik Carsten
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Posted - 28/09/2011 :  06:30:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
[quote]Originally posted by lyndal40

Here is a good match for the group you found in the Emigranter over Kristiana. He is travelling with Gunder G age 26, Johanna age 22 and Gunder age 1. There are also four other Hagens listed above and below this group. Is this the group that ended up in Plummer and could they be connected with the Duluth John Hagen in some fashion.

Name: Julius Hagen
Gender: Male
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Date of Arrival: 28 Apr 1883
Vessel: Parisian
Search Ship Database: View the 'Parisian' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: Baltimore, Maryland and Halifax, Nova Scotia
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England

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remember though that we find John G. Hagen and wife Ingeborg and children Emilie and twins Gilbert and Julius in Evansville, MN (Douglas County) in the 1880 US Census....
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jkmarler
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Posted - 28/09/2011 :  06:33:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi,

Here is the web address for searchable indexes to Duluth papers:

http://www.duluth.lib.mn.us/Databases/DNTIndex.html

Jackie M.
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jkmarler
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Posted - 28/09/2011 :  06:40:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi,

Here are the Hagen deaths from 1900-1924 for St. Louis County found in the database at usgenweb.com. My understanding is these are different records than the state certificates:

HAGEN ALBERT PASELINS 1/6/1911 5018 HIBBING
HAGEN ANNA JOHANA 5/31/1912 417
HAGEN ANNIE NA 12/28/1909 1041
HAGEN BABY NA 1/12/1916 6456 GILBERT
HAGEN BABY NA 5/24/1916 6463 GILBERT
HAGEN BERTHA NA 8/22/1924 770
HAGEN EDWARD NA 8/14/1913 543
HAGEN FEMALE NA 8/5/1909 5004 FALL LAKE
HAGEN FEMALE NA 10/31/1912 780
HAGEN FEMALE NA 8/12/1915 594
HAGEN FEMALE NA 6/1/1917 718
HAGEN FRANCES ISABELL 1/10/1919 43
HAGEN GEORGE NA 4/29/1908 4931
HAGEN HAROLD NA 11/10/1914 998
HAGEN JOHN G. 4/21/1921 367
HAGEN JOHN NA 10/28/1908 5001 MISABA MT
HAGEN JOHN NA 12/6/1913 5540 FAYAL
HAGEN JOHN NA 2/10/1914 141
HAGEN JOHN NA 10/1/1919 965
HAGEN LAR K.E. 5/16/1903 100
HAGEN LAURENCE R. 5/16/1903 396
HAGEN MALE NA 2/4/1907 3675
HAGEN MALE NA 8/19/1920 778
HAGEN MALE NA 7/27/1921 6794 PROCTOR
HAGEN MARDELL ELOIS 11/24/1923 1044
HAGEN MARTIN NA 11/3/1902 100
HAGEN MARTIN NA 11/3/1902 674
HAGEN MARTIN NA 7/18/1920 16457 EVELETH
HAGEN OLE CHRISTIAN 9/6/1924 815
HAGEN OLE NA 2/16/1913 136
HAGEN PETER NA 9/28/1900 100
HAGEN PETER NA 9/28/1900 656
HAGEN UNKNOWN NA 12/4/1916 1060


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jkmarler
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Posted - 28/09/2011 :  09:23:50  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi,

Of course, the John Hagen who came in 1883 can't be your guy since your guy's family was growing in Minnesota in the 1870s. But the John G. Hagen at Plummer is found in the headstone transcription index of Pennington county at www.pchs.org in the Emardville cemetery with the dates of b. 29 Sept 1854 d. 16 Feb 1949.

Your John's family in 1900 consisted of himself, his wife Annie b. Feb 1854, they have been married 28 years and she has had 8 children and 6 are living. The children in the household are:
Gilbert b. May 1877 Minnesota; Ida b. Jan 1884 Minnesota; Albert b. Feb 1887 Minnesota; Annie b. Jan 1890 Minnesota. John's occupation was listed as drayman. He came to US 1869 and is a Naturalized citizen.

At the Iron Range naturalization database there is only one entry for a John G. Hagen, this one:

JOHN G. HAGEN
Location: STLOUIS(DULUTH)
State: MINNESOTA
Reel #: 30
Vol #: 3
Code #: 72
Page #: 135
Source:

Jackie M.
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lyndal40
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Posted - 28/09/2011 :  18:05:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
remember though that we find John G. Hagen and wife Ingeborg and children Emilie and twins Gilbert and Julius in Evansville, MN (Douglas County) in the 1880 US Census....


One of the reasons I found the group arriving in 1883 interesting is the large number of Hagens living in Douglas County. For example the group bunched with this Gunder Hagen.

Name: Gunder Hagen
Census Date: 1 May 1885
County: Douglas
Locality: Evansville
Birth Location: Norway
Gender: Male
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825

There are six Hagens living togther including three Gunders one 60, one 35 and one 2. Could your John be a son of the older Gunder and brother to the middle Gunder and already out on his own.

Also the Middle Gunder and his wife and infant Gunder match well with group leaving Norway and arrriving in Canada that you posted above.
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jkmarler
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Posted - 28/09/2011 :  23:16:34  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi,

The Gunder Hagen b. 1825 ends up in the same cemetery as John G. Hagen, the Emardsville cemetery. They are from Elverum. Gunder is Gunder Gunderson on a husman on Hagaeiet (or similar) in 1865. There is a John b. about 1854 in that family and if I remember correctly a Martin and an Ole. There certainly could be two Johns in the family--nothing to stop that from happening!

Here is the elder Gunder from the Pennington County Historical Society page:

Hagen Gunder 8/28/1825 11/10/1894 Emardville

Here is the possible family in 1865, But if you search for Gunder Gunderson b. about 1825 there are 6 in Hedmark.

http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=30&filnamn=f60427&gardpostnr=196&personpostnr=1081&merk=1081#ovre

Jackie M.

Edited by - jkmarler on 28/09/2011 23:34:26
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lyndal40
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Posted - 29/09/2011 :  00:16:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here is a candidate from 1875 Minnesota Territorial and State Census. Has a wife named Belle? age 21 and daughter Amelia age 2 born in Minnesota.

Name: John Horgen
Census Date: 1 May 1875
County: Rice
Locality: Faribault
Birth Location: Norway
Gender: Male
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Race: White
Father's Birth Location: Norway
Mother's Birth Location: Norway

Edited by - lyndal40 on 29/09/2011 00:18:32
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jkmarler
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Posted - 29/09/2011 :  00:34:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi,

A possible. Ingeborg is a Norwegian name that often becomes Belle in America...

And here is another interesting connection, from the pre 1900 marriage index at St. Louis County page in www.usgenweb.com:

Book, page
G ,215 Hagen, Amelia Barncard, Stuart Z.
1893-02-18 Duluth
1893-02-20 Duluth

I assume the first date is of the license and the 2nd date is of the marriage.

Also there are 2 births in this Barncard family in the Birth index at www.mnhs.org:

Barncard, Stuart Clifton
Date of Birth: 10 Mar 1904
Mother Maiden Name: Hagen
certid# 1904-41076
County of Birth: St. Louis

Barncard, John Roger
Date of Birth: 14 Dec 1907
Mother Maiden Name: Hagen
certid# 1907-41370
County of Birth: St. Louis

And here is a family tree at www.rootsweb.com which has information on Amelia Hagen and her parents John and Anna:

http://worldconnect.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=rmcconnell1942&id=I263

The database has been fairly recently updated 2010 and mentions an interesting document of 5 pages of Emelia writing about her birth family, etc.



Jackie M.

Edited by - jkmarler on 29/09/2011 01:09:36
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jkmarler
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Posted - 29/09/2011 :  01:21:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi,

The sister Ida and her husband provided a home for John Hagen in the 1920 census. The name is rendered as Westerfield but it actually is Vesterfelt. Not all the children in the household are theirs together but Ira was apparently married first to a woman whose last name was Cole and she died. Ida is the 2nd wife.

Ida and Ira Vesterfelt each died in California and appear in the California Death Index online at www.rootsweb.com. Ida's dates are given as b. 20 Jan 1884 and d. 26 Mar 1959 in Alameda County.

In the 1920 Vesterfelt household is a Lester Wold b. about 1907. This is apparently Lester Gilbert Wold who was born in St. Louis County on 8 Aug 1905. In that index his mother's maiden name is given as "Hagen". Lester also dies in California in May 1956. He is perhaps a child of the sister Anna? Wrongo, he is the child of Ida from her marriage to John M. Wold who died before 23 Mar 1910.

Jackie M.


Edited by - jkmarler on 29/09/2011 01:34:16
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