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volsen
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Posted - 13/10/2018 :  19:16:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by lyndal40

Here is a good candidate for the father of Karen and later husband of Kari Andersdttaer.

Johan Johansen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Johan Johansen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 2 nov 1821
Baptism Date: 2 des 1821 (2 Dec 1821)
Baptism Place: , Grue, Hedmark, Norway
Father: Johan Pedersen
Mother: Kari Johansdr
FHL Film Number: 124285

#124



Thanks that sounds promising.

However I am seeing any likely baptism records for

Johan Pedersen
Or
Kari Johansdr

Hoping if I can get far enough I can corroborate with DNA and hopefully then eventually figure out where Finnish DNA comes in. Appreciate all your help.

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AntonH
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Posted - 13/10/2018 :  22:50:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You have to look a little closer at the information already posted. Note the father in the original record for Johan Johansen born in 1821 posted above. His name is listed as Johan Pedersen Rotneberget. So look for a Johan in Grue with father Peder who is living on Rotneberget. Here is a record for a Johan born 1799 father Peder Olsen Rotneberget and mother Marie Pedersdatter

Link

Original record number 136

#136

Here is the family in the 1801 Census on Rotneberget including one year old Johan.

1801 Census

It is very likely that your Finnish connection comes though this family.

Here is a Geni.com Tree that traces the ancestry of Peder Olsen back to Steffen Persson Navilainen of Torsby, Värmland, Sverige.

Geni.com

I noticed that he is included in the Family Tree DNA "Det skogfinske DNA-prosjektet"

Link

Here is an article on the Finnskogen

Link

Edited by - AntonH on 14/10/2018 02:19:25
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AntonH
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Posted - 13/10/2018 :  23:16:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Looking for a Kari use the same approach. The farm name for Kari Johansdatter mother of Johan Johansen born in 1821 was Halvorkiernsberget. This was a little tricker since I did not find Kari directly on the Digitalarivet site but I did find children born to a Johan Johansen and Kari Danielsdatter Halvorkiernsberget. Using those parents I found this person on Ancestry.

Kari Johansen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Kari Johansen
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 19 sep 1802
Baptism Place: , Grue, Hedmark, Norway
Father: Johan Johansen
Mother: Kari Danielsdr
FHL Film Number: 124285

The original record is a little messy but look at number 95 in the Døbt column (the first column)

#95

This is likely the marriage record for the parents Johan Johansen and Kari Danielsdatter

Kari Danielsdr
in the Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926
Name: Kari Danielsdr
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 17 nov 1801
Marriage Place: , Grue, Hedmark, Norway
Spouse: Johan Johansen
FHL Film Number: 124285

Here is the transcribed marriage record from Digitalarkivet. Husband is widower Johan Johansen Halvorkiærnberget and his bride Kari Danielsdatter Løvhougen

Link

Original record is number 20 in the wedding column.

#20


Edited by - AntonH on 13/10/2018 23:51:39
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AntonH
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Posted - 14/10/2018 :  00:20:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This is likely the first marriage of Johan Johansen to a Valborg Erichsdatter.

Johan Johansen
in the Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926
Name: Johan Johansen
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 15 apr 1799
Marriage Place: , Grue, Hedmark, Norway
Spouse: Valborg Erichsdr
FHL Film Number: 124285

They probably had one child in 1800 named Kari

Link

But Valborg died in the same year

Link

A best guess for the location of Johan Johansen in the 1801, not a lot of widowers that fit the profile

Link

Edited by - AntonH on 14/10/2018 00:32:30
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volsen
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Posted - 14/10/2018 :  08:16:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by lyndal40

This is likely the first marriage of Johan Johansen to a Valborg Erichsdatter.

Johan Johansen
in the Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926
Name: Johan Johansen
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 15 apr 1799
Marriage Place: , Grue, Hedmark, Norway
Spouse: Valborg Erichsdr
FHL Film Number: 124285

They probably had one child in 1800 named Kari

Link

But Valborg died in the same year

Link

A best guess for the location of Johan Johansen in the 1801, not a lot of widowers that fit the profile

Link



I guess I don't have Kari Andersdatter 1821 figured out but hopefully I can figure it out. So grateful for your help.

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AntonH
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Posted - 14/10/2018 :  17:33:57  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Well Kari Andersdatter 1821 presents some problems. There are no baptisms for a Kari Andersdatter in 1819 to 1823 in Grue, Hedmark. that I could find. She seems to have carried the farm name of Løvhaugen or some slight variation of that name thought out. That includes the birth of two children and her marriage late in life. The only Anders of Løvhaugen is named Anders Olsen and he married a Maria Poulsdatter. They did have a child in 1820 but she is named Maria.

Based on the confirmation record below it would appear that Kari was not born in 1821 but earlier.. Here is a Kari born in 1817 that is likely the correct one.

Kari Andersen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Kari Andersen
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 1 nov 1817
Baptism Date: 1 nov 1817
Baptism Place: , Grue, Hedmark, Norway
Father: Anders Olsen
Mother: Maria Poulsdr
FHL Film Number: 124285

Edited by - AntonH on 14/10/2018 23:01:57
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AntonH
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Posted - 14/10/2018 :  17:44:17  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here is her confirmation record

She is listed as Kari Andersdatter age 16, farm Løvhaugen, parents Anders Olsen and Maria Poulsdatter Løvhaugen

See number 138 Confirmation Record

#138

The family in the 1801 Census

1801

Edited by - AntonH on 14/10/2018 23:08:54
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AntonH
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Posted - 14/10/2018 :  23:12:55  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Probably the marriage of Anders Olsen and Mari Poulsdatter

Anders Olsen
in the Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926
Name: Anders Olsen
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 6 des 1797 (6 Dec 1797)
Marriage Place: , Grue, Hedmark, Norway
Spouse: Marthe Povlsdr
FHL Film Number: 124285

See number 32 ? a little hard to read

Link

And some info on them from the MyHeritage website. The information would indicate that this is also a likely source of Finnish heritage in your husbands family.

Marie Olsen Løvhougen (born Poulsdatter), 1777 - 1870
Marie Olsen Løvhougen (born Poulsdatter) was born on month day 1777, at birth place, to Povel (Pål) Tomassen Räisäinen and Valborg Tomassen Räisäinen (born Pedersdatter Räisäinen).
Povel was born on June 22 1729, in Pakkola, Løvhaugen, Grue Finnskog, Hedmark, Norge.
Valborg was born in 1733, in Anttila, Løvhaugen, Grue, Hedmark, Norge.
Marie had 10 siblings: Anne Danielsen Räisäinen (born Pålsdatter Räisäinen), Peder Pålsen Räisäinen and 8 other siblings.
Marie married Anders Olsen Løvhougen.
Anders was born in 1769.
They had 9 children: Ole Andersen, Poul Andersen Løvhougen and 7 other children.
Marie passed away on month day 1870, at age 92 at death place.

An intersting discussion on this family, its name and its origin.

Link

And here is a Tree on Geni.com that should allow you to trace the family further back in time.

Geni.com

Edited by - AntonH on 15/10/2018 23:26:45
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volsen
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Posted - 17/10/2018 :  11:45:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by lyndal40

Probably the marriage of Anders Olsen and Mari Poulsdatter

Anders Olsen
in the Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926
Name: Anders Olsen
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 6 des 1797 (6 Dec 1797)
Marriage Place: , Grue, Hedmark, Norway
Spouse: Marthe Povlsdr
FHL Film Number: 124285

See number 32 ? a little hard to read

Link

And some info on them from the MyHeritage website. The information would indicate that this is also a likely source of Finnish heritage in your husbands family.

Marie Olsen Løvhougen (born Poulsdatter), 1777 - 1870
Marie Olsen Løvhougen (born Poulsdatter) was born on month day 1777, at birth place, to Povel (Pål) Tomassen Räisäinen and Valborg Tomassen Räisäinen (born Pedersdatter Räisäinen).
Povel was born on June 22 1729, in Pakkola, Løvhaugen, Grue Finnskog, Hedmark, Norge.
Valborg was born in 1733, in Anttila, Løvhaugen, Grue, Hedmark, Norge.
Marie had 10 siblings: Anne Danielsen Räisäinen (born Pålsdatter Räisäinen), Peder Pålsen Räisäinen and 8 other siblings.
Marie married Anders Olsen Løvhougen.
Anders was born in 1769.
They had 9 children: Ole Andersen, Poul Andersen Løvhougen and 7 other children.
Marie passed away on month day 1870, at age 92 at death place.

An intersting discussion on this family, its name and its origin.

Link

And here is a Tree on Geni.com that should allow you to trace the family further back in time.

Geni.com



Thank you so much I do see one line that leads to Finland. Perhaps others from Sweden originated in Sweden too. I appreciate all your help.

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AntonH
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Posted - 18/10/2018 :  02:50:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here are two of your family lines that trace back to Sweden and to Finland are likely part of the Finnish migration from Finland to Sweden to Grue, Norway.

Here is one line

Johan Johansen born in 1821

his father is Johan Pedersen Rotneberget born abt 1800

his father is Peder Olsen Navilainen born abt 1757

his father is Ole Pedersen Navilainen born abt 1728

his father is Per Steffensen Navilainen born abt 1701

his father is Steffen Persson navilainend born abt 1662 born in Sweden

And the other line is this one


Kari Andersdatter born in 1817

her mother is Maria Pålsdatter Räisäinen born abt 1777

her father is Povel or Pål Tomassen Räisäinen born abt 1729

his father is Tomas Pålsen Räisäinen born abt 1695

his father is Pål Matisen Räisäinen born abt 1670

his father is Matis Persen Räisäinen born abt 1641

his father is Per Larsson Räisänen born abt 1615 in Finland

Edited by - AntonH on 18/10/2018 02:51:53
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volsen
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Posted - 20/10/2018 :  22:16:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by lyndal40

Here are two of your family lines that trace back to Sweden and to Finland are likely part of the Finnish migration from Finland to Sweden to Grue, Norway.

Here is one line

Johan Johansen born in 1821

his father is Johan Pedersen Rotneberget born abt 1800

his father is Peder Olsen Navilainen born abt 1757

his father is Ole Pedersen Navilainen born abt 1728

his father is Per Steffensen Navilainen born abt 1701

his father is Steffen Persson navilainend born abt 1662 born in Sweden

And the other line is this one


Kari Andersdatter born in 1817

her mother is Maria Pålsdatter Räisäinen born abt 1777

her father is Povel or Pål Tomassen Räisäinen born abt 1729

his father is Tomas Pålsen Räisäinen born abt 1695

his father is Pål Matisen Räisäinen born abt 1670

his father is Matis Persen Räisäinen born abt 1641

his father is Per Larsson Räisänen born abt 1615 in Finland




The line you gave me last time seems to match through these people. Thank you again.

Johan Pedersen Rotneberget *

BIRTH 17 DEC 1799 • Hedmark, Norway

Ole Pedersen Navilainen *

BIRTH 1728

Ole Pedersen Navilainen *
1728–
BIRTH 1728

Ingrid Olsdatter Räisänen *

BIRTH 1705 • Räisälä, Lauvhaugen, Grue Finnskog, Hedmark, Norway
DEATH 15 JAN 1754 • Rotneberget, Grue Finnskog, Norway

Ole Tomassen *

BIRTH ABT 1667 • Pekkola, Grue Finnskog, Hedmark, Norway
DEATH 1725 • Pekkola, Grue Finnskog, Hedmark, Norway

Tomas Pedersen Lofhougen *

BIRTH 1630 • Grue, Norway
DEATH 1692 • Grue, Norway

Karen Olsdatter *

BIRTH 1610 • Orsa, Hälsingland östra, Gävleborg, Sweden
DEATH 1686 • Løvhaugen, Grue Finskog, Hedmark, Norwa

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volsen
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Posted - 20/10/2018 :  22:33:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I think I went astray with this line for :

Anders Johansen
1819–
BIRTH 7 AUG 1819 • Brandval, Hedmark, Norway

Name: Johan Hansen
Sex: Male
Wife: Lisbet Johansdr
Son: Anders Johansen
Other information in the record of Anders Johansen
from Norway Baptisms

Name: Anders Johansen
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 05 Sep 1819
Christening Place: , BRANDVOLD, HEDMARK, NORWAY
Father's Name: Johan Hansen
Mother's Name: Lisbet Johansdr

I have his parents marriage as

Johan Hansen
Norway Marriages, 1660-1926
Name: Johan Hansen
Spouse's Name: Lisbet Johansdr
Event Date: 16 Dec 1810
Event Place: , Grue, Hedmark, Norway

The closest I could find was

Johan Henrich Hansen
Norway Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Johan Henrich Hansen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 22 Apr 1791
Christening Date: 02 May 1791
Christening Place: FURNES,HEDMARK,NORWAY
Father's Name: Hans Evensen
Mother's Name: Mari Elingsdr

Lisbeth Johannesdatter
Norway Burials, 1666-1927
Name: Lisbeth Johannesdatter
Gender: Female
Event Date: 04 Feb 1838
Death Date: 23 Jan 1838
Death Place: Ringsaker, Hedmark, Norway
Age: 47
Birth Date: 1791

Closest I could find was

Hans Evensen
Norway Marriages, 1660-1926
Name: Hans Evensen
Spouse's Name: Mari Ellingsdatter
Event Date: 10 Jul 1787
Event Place: Østre Toten, Oppland, Norway

Hans Evensen
Norway Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Hans Evensen
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 26 Jan 1755
Christening Place: , NORD AURDAL, OPLAND, NORWAY
Father's Name: Even Hansen
Mother's Name: Joran Joensdr

Appreciate any help finding more logical options if anyone is able thanks again.


volsen

Edited by - volsen on 20/10/2018 22:34:33
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Posted - 20/10/2018 :  22:58:15  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Johan Hansen
Norway Marriages, 1660-1926
Name: Johan Hansen
Spouse's Name: Lisbet Johansdr
Event Date: 16 Dec 1810
Event Place: , Grue, Hedmark, Norway


Well the parish book for Grue at 1810 is a real mess but someone already transcribed that time frame. So here is the transcribed version of the marriage. That gives the farm names attached to both the bride and groom which may help track down the right people.

Link

Original Record

#56

Using the farm name of Fenmoen or Femone does not get a farm in 1801 Census but does get a Tree with a Johan Hansen born 1771 with father Hans Mattisen and first wife Mari Johansdatter Kirnu.

Tree

Here is Johan in the 1801 Census, It seems to be some error here, I think that Hans and Mari are the parents of all the children.

1801

A census from NHDC

1801

Edited by - AntonH on 21/10/2018 02:56:03
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volsen
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Posted - 20/10/2018 :  23:12:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by lyndal40

quote:
Johan Hansen
Norway Marriages, 1660-1926
Name: Johan Hansen
Spouse's Name: Lisbet Johansdr
Event Date: 16 Dec 1810
Event Place: , Grue, Hedmark, Norway


Well the parish book for Grue at 1810 is a real mess but someone already transcribed that time frame. So here is the transcribed version of the marriage. That gives the farm names attached to both the bride and groom which may help pier down the right people.

Link





Wouldn't both of those farms be in Brandval?

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AntonH
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Posted - 20/10/2018 :  23:59:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Probably but not findable under that spelling in 1801 Census.

Olaf Rygh has this in Brandval

76,5. Fæmoen. Udt. fé`mó:'n.


This search is getting a little tricky now but we shall see where it goes.

Here is the Ancestry.com baptism record for the Johan Hansen born in 1771 to Hans Mattisen.

Johan Hansen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Johan Hansen
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 27 jan 1771
Baptism Place: Brandvold,Hedmark,Norway
Father: Hans Mathisen
Mother: Mari Johansdr
FHL Film Number: 124284

Geni.com

This would seem to be the marriage record for this couple, note the farm name of Fæmoen but they were married in Vinger not Grue. Now I know that Fæmoen is listed in Brandval not Vinger in the Rygh book but the bride is likely from Vinger thus married in Vinger.

Hans Mathiæsen Fæmoen
in the Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926
Name: Hans Mathiæsen Fæmoen
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Marriage Date: 1 jul 1770
Marriage Place: Vinger, Hedmark, Norway
Spouse: Maren Johansdaatter
FHL Film Number: 124480
Reference ID: b 3 p 126

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Edited by - AntonH on 21/10/2018 02:39:16
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