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volsen
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 Posted - 10/01/2016 : 22:56:25
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Thank You! That is so awesome!
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volsen
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Posted - 10/01/2016 : 23:00:11
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| Thank you! That is so Awesome! |
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AntonH
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Posted - 10/01/2016 : 23:04:05
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Probably some other children of Andreas Olsen and Anne Arnesdatter. However note the correction provided by Einar, that according to Norwegian naming practices the children should carry the fathers first name as their last name, which Ole sorta of does but not the correct one and that Berthe does not. Ancestry.com has a bad habit of giving the child the last name of the father contrary to Norwegian naming practices.
Here are Einars comments.
"They are children of Andreas Olsen and Anne Arnesdatter, but I think some corrections are needed.
Ole Andersen should be Ole Andreasen and Berthe Marie Olsen should be Berthe Marie Andreasdatte"
Name: Ole Andersen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 1 okt 1873 (1 Oct 1873)
Baptism Date: 9 nov 1873
Baptism Place: , Vinger, Hedmark, Norway
Father: Andreas Olsen
Mother: Anne Arnesdr
FHL Film Number: 1282607
See also number 205
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=6033&idx_id=6033&uid=ny&idx_side=-57
Name: Berthe Marie Olsen
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 24 jul 1880
Baptism Date: 22 aug 1880
Baptism Place: Vinger, Hedmark, Norway
Father: Andreas Olsen
Mother: Anne Arnesdr
FHL Film Number: 1282607
See also number 157
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=6033&idx_id=6033&uid=ny&idx_side=-179
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volsen
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Posted - 10/01/2016 : 23:17:08
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| I found Gjermshusberget listed on a site with a bunch of farms. Is it a farm or a city? Does anyone know? |
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volsen
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Posted - 10/01/2016 : 23:23:13
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| Thank you. You guys are fast! |
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AntonH
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 11/01/2016 : 00:18:23
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Here is a likely marriage record for Andreas Olsen and Anne Arnesdatter. In this record based on Norwegian naming practices she should have been named Anne Arnesdatter. This gives you an idea for the names of the parents of Adreas and Anne. Note also the place names after Andreas are a good fit. They both are from farms in Eidskog, which was split off from Vinger at some point in time. Farms are probably Braaten and Malmer.
Name: Anne Olsdr
[Anne Olsen]
Gender: Female
Age: 26
Birth Date: 1846
Marriage Date: 7 jul 1872
Marriage Place: Vinger,Hedmark,Norway
Father: Arne Olsen
Spouse: Andreas Olsen
FHL Film Number: 1282608
See also the record in Digitalarkivet for number 16
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=6033&idx_id=6033&uid=ny&idx_side=-313
Here is the same record from Ancestry.com showing the data from the grooms side. Gives a good reading of the grooms father and it matches the Digitalarkivet record.
Name: Andreas Olsen
Gender: Male
Age: 28
Birth Date: 1844
Marriage Date: 7 jul 1872
Marriage Place: Vinger,Hedmark,Norway
Father: Ole Haakensen
Spouse: Anne Olsdr
FHL Film Number: 1282608 |
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volsen
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Posted - 11/01/2016 : 01:31:56
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| Thank you for all the information. You have been so helpful. |
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AntonH
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Posted - 11/01/2016 : 01:42:05
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Here is a possible for the baptism record for Anne Arnesdatter,
Name: Anne Arnesdatter
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 31 aug 1845
Baptism Date: 26 okt 1845 (26 Oct 1845)
Baptism Place: Vinger, Hedmark, Norway
Father: Arne Olsen
Mother: Berte Eriksdr
FHL Film Number: 124483
See also 241, there is the Malmer farm found in the witness list.
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9135&idx_id=9135&uid=ny&idx_side=-171 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 11/01/2016 : 02:18:42
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You had an additinal question about Andre and Anne Marie Hartmiller. Since neither of these two appear to be Norwegian it might be a stretch for us to find anything to contribute,but I did run their names on Ancestry.com. It appears that Andre and Anne Marei and seven children arrived in 1845. Unfortunatley the place of birth is not noted on the manifest for any of this family.
Name: Anne Marie Hartmiller
Arrival Date: 1 Aug 1845
Birth Date: abt 1794
Age: 51
Gender: Female
Port of Departure: Le Havre, France
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Alabama |
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volsen
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Posted - 11/01/2016 : 06:23:32
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| I appreciate that. I did find that information. I was just trying to figure out if Anne Marie was German or French. Hartmuller has to be a German surname. I am confused because the children were born in France according to the passenger list. Anne Marie could be a German or French first name. I think anyway. I thought it would be a stretch that anyone would be able to help me but was hoping someone might know of a site like this for Germany and France. I appreciate you trying though. This side of my family has been incredibly hard to research. |
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jkmarler
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 11/01/2016 : 10:00:20
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I also don't know if this relates to your family or not but maybe because of the name and the proximity of Cleveland Ohio:
From the Daily Telegram, Adrian Michigan Friday 4 Oct 1901:
"Jacob Hartmiller
A telegram was received here Thursday afternoon announcing the death of Jacob Hartmiller, Lebanon, Mo. who had been suffering for some time from a complication of diseases. Jacob Hartmiller was born in Dermstein, Province of Rhenish, Bavaria, Germany. With his parents he came to this country in 1851 and after a short time in Cleveland he moved to this city...."
The survivors named included 3 married sisters in Adrian: Mrs. Matthias Steinmetz, Mrs. August Deible, Mrs Peter Mettling and a brother in Adrian, Peter Hartmiller, and a brother Jno in Cleveland.
Marriage in Cuyahoga of Eleonore Hartmiller and Peter Mettling:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XDK6-C54
Death record of a child of Margaret Hartmiller and Augustus Deibele:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KFQH-XLL
Marriage of Catherine Hartmiller and Matthias Steinmetz:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FCT7-TYL
Rhenish is part of the German Palatinate:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palatinate_(region)
1860 census in Adrian, Lenawee county Michigan, parents & some children:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MW6M-52S
Augustus Hatstmiller M 63 Germany
Catharine Hatstmiller F 63 Germany
Margaret Hatstmiller F 23 Germany
Jacob Hatstmiller M 20 Germany
Possibly Augustus as August Hartmeler in 1870:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6WQS-5PR?mode=g&i=45&wc=922S-PTT%3A518655401%2C519477301%2C519480001%3Fcc%3D1438024&cc=1438024
In 1880:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MWSG-3G5
This is the death certificate of Mary Hartmiller the widow of the Jacob Hartmiller mentioned earlier. Interestingly, she was born in Alsace Lorraine:
http://www.sos.mo.gov/images/archives/deathcerts/1927/1927_00025727.PDF
D.C. of a son of the couple Frank J Hartmiller, father's birthplace given as Byron / Byrow Germany and mother Alsace Lorraine:
http://www.sos.mo.gov/images/archives/deathcerts/1936/1936_00043489.PDF
This son's d.c. says he was born in Adrian Michigan and that each parent was born in Michigan:
http://www.sos.mo.gov/images/archives/deathcerts/1938/1938_00012110.PDF
This daughter Teresa d.c. no birthplace for parents recorded:
http://www.sos.mo.gov/images/archives/deathcerts/1953/1953_00039554.PDF
Peter Hartmiller, brother of Jacob above, also reported as born in Byron:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NQNQ-SYJ
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jkmarler
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AntonH
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Posted - 11/01/2016 : 17:01:30
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The passenger list does have a column for "COUNTRY TO WHICH THEY BELONG". And for Andre and Anne Marie and all of the children, does state France. So one could construe that most if not all of them were born in France. But as Jackie points out at that time some of the borders were different then they are today. Example being Lorraine, part of which was annexed by the German Empire in 1871 to form Alsace-Lorraine. The childrens names are either neutral or mostly French. That is.
Elizabeth, Johannes ,Catherine, Mathias, Suzanne, Joseph, and Pierre.
What name did they use in America. I tried to find the family in the 1850 Census but could not find them. |
Edited by - AntonH on 11/01/2016 21:59:13 |
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johannes olsen from norway, in Montana
