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volsen
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volsen
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 Posted - 12/01/2016 : 03:30:43
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| I found that a lot of Hartmullers that came to America were from that area so this give me a place to start. Thank you everyone for all your help. I really appreciate it. I can't believe how far you got me back on the Olsen side. I never thought I would get that far. Thank you again. You all are amazing. |
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JaneC
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Posted - 12/01/2016 : 03:54:22
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Hi, yes Hartmuller (Hartmüller?) name seems to occur there, on the border of France and Germany. Genealogy in that area is a study unto itself...
The place name "Byron" occurs on page 3 in the death certificate for Frank Hartmiller; the informant is naming Frank's father's birth place.
Pierre Hartmiller age 9 on the ship manifest could be this Peter Hartmiller who died age 18 in May 1851. Age is a little off, but somehow passenger manifests so often seem a bit off in ages. This Peter is buried in the cemetery now owned by St Michael's Catholic Church in Independence, Ohio (where you seem to have found Mathias in 1859). Notes on the link below say a St Lawrence [Catholic?] church would have been the church at the time. Note says many or most people in the cemetery came from Ginting, Switzerland.
http://files.usgwarchives.net/oh/cuyahoga/cemetery/lawrenc.txt
Ginting is near Basel. Wikipedia says Basel has suburbs in both France and Germany.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basel
According to a discussion on this link, Peter Hartmiller was the first burial in St. Lawrence cemetery. The church building was erected later, in 1859. The Hartmiller family is apparently discussed in a local history, mentioned here:
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/KINZER/1999-01/0916426463
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volsen
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Posted - 12/01/2016 : 05:43:39
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Ya I agree. However, I think we are on the right track. I spoke to my aunt tonight and she said she thought my grandma said we had some french ancestry.
Did anyone notice if Johannes had any siblings? My aunt was curious about cousins Iver supposedly had living in North Dakota. I know Hans Karen's brother came to America but it didn't look like they settle in North Dakota. |
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eibache
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Posted - 12/01/2016 : 10:06:42
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Did anyone notice if Johannes had any siblings?
In the posting for Johannes birth and baptism it noticed that he was born "out of wedlock" (parents were not married).
In the birth record info is given that the parents intended to get married.
It was also said that this was the 2nd child born out of wedlock.
They were married Nov 7 1875 and the marriage record is #18.
Johannes father, widower Ole Andersen, Bukkebakke, was born in 1841 and his father was Anders Johansen.
Johannes mother, Karen Johannesdatter, was born in 1849 and her father was Johannes Johansen.
Search for any siblings require a bit of time.
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jkmarler
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Posted - 12/01/2016 : 10:52:30
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There is an Anna Hartmiller who died in Cleveland in 1894. Her age was 78 year cause of death reported as old age. She lived at 85 Carroll St. Her death was reported in the 26 Mar 1894 "Death List" of the Cleveland Leader, no actual date of death given..
Not sure if this link will work or not but this is to a Cleveland city directory in the late 1880s and there is a Joseph Hartmiller living at 85 Carroll St:
http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uiug.30112033564565;view=1up;seq=286
Also at genealogybank there are several announcements found in the Cleveland Leader starting in 1878 mentioning an impending end of the guardianship of minor children of Matthias Hartmiller. The first paper date is 29 Mar 1878. The list itself is dated 1 March 1878 and headlined "Office of the Probate Court of Cuyahoga County Ohio" This same list, including Matthias Hartmiller's minors, is also published again on 7 Mar 1883. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 12/01/2016 : 11:07:08
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Hartmiller Intended marriage and marriages early in Cuyahoga county
Theressa Hartmiller
Ohio, County Marriages, 1789-2013
intended marriage:
22 April 1871
Cuyahoga, Ohio, United States
spouse:Phillip Fetterman
Another version of Theressa's name Hartmidler:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X6FM-SXC
They had a volatile marriage and were divorced at last by 1897. They had seven children. Theresa was institutionalized in 1884 and in 1895 was declared sane.
They lived at 75 Carroll St from about 1872-1892.
Theressa's father is named George Hartmiller mother ____ Peters.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X88Q-HH2
George Hartmiller
Ohio, County Marriages, 1789-2013
intended marriage:
9 April 1855
Cuyahoga, Ohio, United States
spouse:
Christine Fetterman
George Hartmiller is in Cleveland from at least 1861 and works as a boilermaker. This database gives his birthplace as Koplance, Germany:
http://worldconnect.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=jackiam&id=I34615
His children continued to live in Cleveland. Louis got into some trouble in the 1890s. He was a mailman and didn't deliver 4 letters and was prosecuted in Federal court In 1879 there was a notice of closure of the estate governing the minor heirs of George Hartmiller.
Coplence is the French spelling of Coblenz, Germany:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koblenz
Elizabeth Hartmiller
Ohio, County Marriages, 1789-2013
intended marriage:
30 October 1851
Cuyahoga, Ohio, United States
spouse:Bennett Ahmon
Elizabeth's death in Lenawee county, Michigan. Her father identified as Andrew Hartmiller and mother as Mary. Perhaps Andrew was married twice?:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N3JT-NH7
Katie Hartmiller
Ohio, County Marriages, 1789-2013
marriage:8 October 1868
Cuyahoga, Ohio, United States
spouse:Albin Albrecht
Here they are in 1870 census. Katie's birthplace is Bavaria:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M6KG-MD3
Albin dies age 42 of consumption in 1885 lives at 165 Bridge
Catharine Hartmiller
Ohio, County Marriages, 1789-2013
marriage:24 October 1847
Cuyahoga, Ohio, United States
spouse:Philip Schmidt
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eibache
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Posted - 12/01/2016 : 11:24:52
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My aunt was curious about cousins Iver supposedly had living in North Dakota.
Iver Alfred Olsen was born Jan 3 1908, see #20.
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 12/01/2016 : 13:36:35
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Cleverly hidden in plain sight in 1850 in Independence, Cuyahoga county, Ohio: :
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MX3T-CHR
// From Anton's list
Andrew Hoffmiller M 67 Germany
Anna Hoffmiller F 54 Germany
Elisabeth Hoffmiller F 28 Germany // Elizabeth 21 1824
John Hoffmiller F 24 Germany // Johannes 19 1826
Mathew Hoffmiller M 21 Germany // Mathis 15 1830
Joseph Hoffmiller M 16 Germany //Joseph 11 1834
Peter Hoffmiller M 14 Germany //Pierre 9 1836
Catherine 17 1828 maybe the Catherine marrying Phillip Schmidt 1847
Suzanne 13 1832 whereabouts in 1850 not known likely Susan in 1860
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eibache
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Posted - 12/01/2016 : 15:30:10
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Johannes Olsen had a sister, Karoline, born Aug 10 1877, see #141.
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volsen
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Posted - 12/01/2016 : 16:25:35
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It is saying there is an error whem pulling up Iver's birth record is it coming up on your end.
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volsen
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Posted - 12/01/2016 : 16:31:51
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Thank you again for the new information.
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AntonH
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eibache
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Posted - 12/01/2016 : 20:06:01
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It is saying there is an error whem pulling up Iver's birth record is it coming up on your end.
It did not, don't know why, but now it is corrected.
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eibache
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Posted - 12/01/2016 : 20:20:58
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I did turn up two other children with the same named parents, however they were recorded in Ringsaker and based on the birth dates seem to be not very likely possibilites. Hiowever I will post them and let you decide.
If the parents of the two children are the same (most likely) we can conclude that they are not the children of Ole Andersen, born 1841 and Karen Johannesdatter, born 1849 (who were married in 1875) since the child born in 1873 is not recorded as an "uægte" child (born out of wedlock).
Also Ole Andersen father of the two children was born approx. 1850 and Karen Johannesdatter the mother was born approx. 1852.
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johannes olsen from norway, in Montana
