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AntonH
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USA
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Posted - 13/01/2016 :  01:57:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Karen had a brother Hans who emmigrated to American before them


You mentioned this brother Hans. However I was not able to find a son of Andreas Olsen and Anne Arnesdatter named Hans. I can find

Andrea born Feb 25, 1872
Ole born Oct 1, 1873
Berthe Marie born July 24, 1880
amd of course Karen born Oct 8, 1875

but no Hans, do you have any further information on Hans.

Edited by - AntonH on 13/01/2016 01:59:57
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volsen
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Posted - 13/01/2016 :  02:09:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You know maybe that is a mistake on my part. I saw post on this website saying that they were searching for him. It was the same person who initiated this one and it said he was Karen (Carrie)'s brother.

volsen

Edited by - volsen on 13/01/2016 02:31:44
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AntonH
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USA
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Posted - 13/01/2016 :  02:48:17  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
No I think you have it right. You pointed me in the right direction. The Forum Post you referred to is this one.

http://www.norwayheritage.com/snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5319

And this is the Hans Olsen born in 1878.. Parents are Andreas Olsen and Anne Arnesdatter. See number 93. Farm is Gjermshusberge. Looks like I missed this one.

http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=6033&idx_id=6033&uid=ny&idx_side=-144

Edited by - AntonH on 13/01/2016 02:49:44
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volsen
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Posted - 13/01/2016 :  03:13:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Cool thanks. You never know they tended to a lot of similiar names back then.

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volsen
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Posted - 13/01/2016 :  16:27:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks, everyone for all your help. I never thought I would get this far back. You all are amazing!!!

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eibache
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Norway
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Posted - 14/01/2016 :  13:19:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Arne Olsen, Malmer was born June 20 1818, see 10th record on right page.
His parents were Ole Andersen and Berthe Arnesdatter.

Ole Andersen and Berthe Arnesdatter were married June 28 1817, see #27.
Ole Andersen, Malmer was 27 years old (born approx 1790).
Berthe Arnesdatter, Grasmoe was 23 years old (born approx 1794)

Einar
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eibache
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Norway
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Posted - 14/01/2016 :  13:45:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Ole Andersen, Malmer was 27 years old (born approx 1790).
Berthe Arnesdatter, Grasmoe was 23 years old (born approx 1794)

Ole Andersen, Malmer was 12 years old in 1801, link.
His parents were Anders Olsen (37) and Rangdi Gulbrandsdatter (39).
Berthe Arnesdatter was 7 years old in 1801, link.
Her parents were Arne Arnesen (37) and Anne Maria Amundsdatter (42).

Einar
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jkmarler
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Posted - 14/01/2016 :  17:54:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Bas-Rhin archives are online as of 2010:
http://french-genealogy.typepad.com/genealogie/2010/07/alsacelorraine-genealogy-basics.html

My high school French is not too good, rechercher is search I think.
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volsen
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Posted - 15/01/2016 :  05:53:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Cool site I'll have to check it out. It looks like Margaret who was married to Matthew Hartmiller married a man named Frank Rothermel. Matthew must have passed away. There is tax record that if for Mathias Hartmiller which makes me think this is Matthew is Mathias Hartmuller and this is an indication that he was slowly changing his name. However, on the 1880 census for the Rothermel family says John Hartmiller's father is from Bavaria. I know I should just assume Matthew is from Bavaria but I can't help but think Mathias and Matthew are the same person.

volsen

Edited by - volsen on 15/01/2016 05:54:56
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jkmarler
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Posted - 15/01/2016 :  06:51:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Well, you don't know for sure until you know.

People can be known by all sorts of names in their lifetimes in different venues. That is seen often among the Norwegians in the queries at this site.

Re: the 1850 census, there is a "dirty little secret." Actually this is true of the 1850, 1860 and 1870 censuses as well. It has to do with how the censuses were taken. The original census schedules were to be maintained at the county courthouse. From there a handwritten copy was made and sent to the state offices. At the state offices another copy was made for the Federal government and sent to Washington. The copy that was microfilmed was the copy of copy of copy in Washington, which process had produced multiplied errors. But very few of the original schedules, which might be the version with fewest number of errors,have been kept.
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volsen
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Posted - 15/01/2016 :  16:21:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Oh it looks like he did come from Bavaria he just traveled through France.

volsen

Edited by - volsen on 15/01/2016 16:32:10
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volsen
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Posted - 15/01/2016 :  20:21:43  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thought I'd share the information with you and maybe it will help some other poor soul searching for this Family.

Mathaeus Hartmueller

Baptism Place Katholisch, Dirmstein, Pfalz, Bavaria

Date May 10, 1828

Father Andreae Hartmueller

Mother Annae Mariae Peter

Thank all so much again. You have all been amazing.

Film number 367559

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jkmarler
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Posted - 15/01/2016 :  22:01:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by volsen

Thought I'd share the information with you and maybe it will help some other poor soul searching for this Family.

Mathaeus Hartmueller

Baptism Place Katholisch, Dirmstein, Pfalz, Bavaria

Date May 10, 1828

Father Andreae Hartmueller

Mother Annae Mariae Peter

Thank all so much again. You have all been amazing.

Film number 367559




This place sounds exactly like "Dermstein, Province of Rhenish, Bavaria, Germany." Has all the family data for siblings and parents and cousins been harvested off the 367559 film?

Far from having disappeared once they arrived, Matthias' family seems to followed other relatives or acquaintances, married, and in general carried on life as we all do.
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AntonH
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Posted - 16/01/2016 :  02:25:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
In the Ancestry.com data base "Germany, Select Deaths and Burials, 1582-1958
Deutschland, Tote und Beerdigungen 1582-1958" there are 9 children born to Andreae Hartmueller and Annae Mariae Peter and one child born to Andreae Hartmueller and Barbarae Mariae Peter. It is possible that the Bararae Mariae is a transcription error. The children were born between 1819 and 1839 in the same place. Here is the first child.

Name: Elisabetha Hartmueller
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 14 Okt 1819 (14 Oct 1819)
Baptism Date: 15 Okt 1819 (15 Oct 1819)
Baptism Place: Katholisch,Dirmstein,Pfalz,Bavaria
Father: Andreae Hartmueller
Mother: Mariae Annae Peter
FHL Film Number: 367559

Other children are

Joannes Hartmueller b Sept 3, 1821 , mother is listed as Barbarae Annae
Catharina Hartmueller Feb 22, 1823
Joannes Hartmueller Nov 25, 1825
Matthaeus Hartmueller May 10, 1828 baptism date
Barbara Hartmueller March 18, 1830
Susanna Hartmueller Feb 26, 1832
Josephus Hieronimus Hartmueller Sep 9, 1834
Petrus Hartmueller Feb 11, 1836
Guilhelmus Hartmueller, Aug 12, 1839

Last child born

Name: Guilhelmus Hartmueller
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 12 Aug 1839
Baptism Date: 12 Aug 1839
Baptism Place: Katholisch,Dirmstein,Pfalz,Bavaria
Father: Andreae Hartmueller
Mother: Annae Mariae Peter
FHL Film Number: 367559

Edited by - AntonH on 16/01/2016 02:27:31
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jkmarler
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Posted - 16/01/2016 :  07:22:34  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hmmm. Lots of births / baptisms in a record set called " Tote/ Deaths." The son Guilhermus (Guillaume in French=William in English) and one of the Johannes' and Barbara are likely to have died, since it appears that they didn't go to US with the family in 1845.

I wonder if the children of Augustus and Catherine Hartmiller are in the base as well. Or if Augustus and Andreas are brothers?

Edited by - jkmarler on 16/01/2016 07:26:10
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