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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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 Posted - 16/01/2016 : 17:00:56
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These are probably the children of Augustus and Catherine Hartmiller. There are seven of them. Here is the first.
Name: Josephus Hartmueller
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 12 Jul 1822
Baptism Date: 13 Jul 1822
Baptism Place: Katholisch,Dirmstein,Pfalz,Bavaria
Father: Augustini Hartmueller
Mother: Catharinae Nuffer
FHL Film Number: 367559
Bernhardus b April 20 1824
Anna Maria b April 12, 1826
Petrus b Sep 28, 1828, Probaby the Peter found in both Ohio an Michigan.
Caharina b Aug 12, 1830
Elenora b Dec 12, 1834
Margaretha b Jun 12, 1837
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 16/01/2016 : 17:05:06
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This is likely that Petrus even tho the birth year is off by one. There are several Famly Trees on Ancestry.com for the family of Augustus but none of them tie this family with the other Hartmueller family.
Peter Hartmiller
in the Michigan, Death Records, 1867-1950
Name: Peter Hartmiller
Age: 76
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: Sep, 1829
Death Date: 6 Aug 1905
Death Place: Adrian, Lenawee, Michigan, USA
File Number: 607
Father: August Hartmiller
Mother: Catherine Rose
He was married in Ohio
Peter Hartmueller
in the Cuyahoga County, Ohio, Marriage Records and Indexes, 1810-1973
Name: Peter Hartmueller
Marriage Date: 21 Feb 1854
Form Type: Marriage
Gender: Male
Spouse: Margaret Mayer
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volsen
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Posted - 16/01/2016 : 22:02:36
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| Ya I hadn't really looked into the siblings it is actually another family member who made the connection. I'll have to take a closer look at that thank you. |
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volsen
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Posted - 16/01/2016 : 23:39:51
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| I am trying to look back but not sure. Did someone happen to find the spouses of Anders Johansen and Johannes Johansen? |
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volsen
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Posted - 16/01/2016 : 23:44:49
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Originally posted by eibache
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Did anyone notice if Johannes had any siblings?
In the posting for Johannes birth and baptism it noticed that he was born "out of wedlock" (parents were not married).
In the birth record info is given that the parents intended to get married.
It was also said that this was the 2nd child born out of wedlock.
They were married Nov 7 1875 and the marriage record is #18.
Johannes father, widower Ole Andersen, Bukkebakke, was born in 1841 and his father was Anders Johansen.
Johannes mother, Karen Johannesdatter, was born in 1849 and her father was Johannes Johansen.
Search for any siblings require a bit of time.
I am refering to this Anders Johansen and Johannes Johansen |
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AntonH
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 17/01/2016 : 02:29:43
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This Karen Johannesdatter was born in 1849 but baptisim in 1850. She was born out of wedlock, Father Johannes Johannsen and mother Kari Andersdatter.
Karen Johansen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Karen Johansen
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 12 nov 1849
Baptism Date: 10 mar 1850
Baptism Place: , Grue, Hedmark, Norway
Father: Johan Johansen
Mother: Kari Andersdr
FHL Film Number: 307241
See also number 61
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8877&idx_id=8877&uid=ny&idx_side=-47 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 17/01/2016 : 02:38:31
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It would appear that this same couple had a second child, also out of wedlock. So perhaps they never did marry.
Johannes Johansen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Johannes Johansen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 5 mai 1855 (5 May 1855)
Baptism Date: 19 aug 1855
Baptism Place: , Grue, Hedmark, Norway
Father: Johan Johansen
Mother: Kari Andersdr
FHL Film Number: 307241
See also number 235
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8877&idx_id=8877&uid=ny&idx_side=-131 |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 17/01/2016 : 02:54:25
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Ole Andersen in 1865 census:
1865 in Brandvold
Residence: Bukkebakken
Anders Johansen 44
Maren Olsdatter 50
Ole Andersen 25
Maren Andersdatter 13
Anne Andersdatter 11
+ one servant
All family members listed as born in Brandvold
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01038040005220
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volsen
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Posted - 17/01/2016 : 23:21:02
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| Ya I agree There are a few discrepencies between the Matthaeus Hartmueller family in Bavaria and the Mathias Hartmuller family that I have the passenger list for. However, I think you are right, maybe Barbara and Gulhelmus must have passed away and the small errors in the 2 birthdates are probably clerical errors. The rest of the dates and names match perfectly. I guess with this kinda thing you never know for 100 percent sure. |
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volsen
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volsen
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Posted - 24/01/2016 : 00:30:20
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Also jkmarler
I wanted to let you know you were on the right track regarding an area that the area they was french and german territority at different times. I came across this information about the area the Hartmillers were from.
Dirmstein, Pfalz
Dirmstein was first mentioned in the Weissenburg Codex as Dirame Stein in the eighth century. Later about 1110 the name can be found as Diremestein in an official Wormser document. The first church in Dirmstein was the St. Peter's Church built by a cloister in Worms in 1142. Dirmstein continued to grow over the years until 1689 when it was besieged and burned to the ground on the 7th through 9th of December by the French during the War of Succession. Reconstruction began in 1691 when Konrad Sauer began building his new house on the 23rd of April. By December, Dirmstein had thirteen new homes. In 1705, along with becoming the property of the bishopry of Worms, Dirmstein became the residence of the bishop. It wasn't until 1792 that Dirmstein declared itself free. France annexed this area in 1797 and Dirmstein became part of the French Department Mont Tonérne. French rule only lasted until 1816, when the Pfalz became part of Bavaria (Bayern). Finally in 1945, with the establishment of the Republik of Germany, Dirmstein became part of Rheinland-Pfalz. Today Dirmstein has approximately 3000 inhabitants and is known for it's vineyards. |
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Edited by - volsen on 24/01/2016 01:30:42 |
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jkmarler
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 24/01/2016 : 03:00:26
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The person in the tree you found "Bernt Olaus /Bredesen Rustad/" does not match well with the Bernt Rostad whose birth place who are seeking. The birth years match but the birth dates do not. The Bernt Olaus/Bredesen Rustad was born 4 Jan 1881 and your Bernt RostadRustad was born 14 Nov 1881.
Here is a birth date for your Bernt Rostad/Rustad from WWI Draf Registration, other records match this date.
Bernt Rostad
in the U.S., World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
Name: Bernt Rostad
County: Fergus
State: Montana
Birth Date: 14 Nov 1881
Race: White
There is a Bernt Bredesen of Rustad farm in the 1910 Norwegian Census born Jan 4, 1881, who may be the same person as the one found by you in a Family Tree but may not the same person you are seeking.
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/nn-no/ft/person/pf01036405000013 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 24/01/2016 : 03:22:50
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An obituary on Bernt Rostad was published in the Billings (Montana) Gazette on 12 Jan 1970 in which is birthplace is listed as Leksvik, Norway and his parents as Mr & Mrs Andrian Rostadsand.
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johannes olsen from norway, in Montana
