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kithielynn
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 Posted - 30/09/2012 : 14:41:30
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| Hi, could you help me find more about Johan O Holthe Birth Oct 1847 in Norway and he married Serina born 1848 in Norway. I don't know his parents or Serina's last name. I think they came to the United States in 1873.Thanks |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 30/09/2012 : 15:22:33
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Here he is in the 1900 census in South Dakota:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MMRX-K46
One other thing which might be of interest is that the eldest two kids in the family were born in Michigan.
Here is son Odin's birth record, #456:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11600-81973-45?cc=1459684&wc=10520033
Here is a transcription of John Olsen Holte's and Serine A Koisath's marriage in 1873 also in Michigan, you may also click on the view image to look at the original handwritten record:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NQWC-ZNB
John Olsen Holte's occupation was mining when he first arrived in Michigan. Here is some background on mining of iron ore in Ishpeming Michigan:
http://www.miningartifacts.org/Michigan-Iron-Mines.html
Recapping:
John Olsen Holthe / Holte/ Holt b.abt Oct 1847 in Norway came to US 1872-1873. Married in Ishpeming, Marquette county, Michigan on 23 Aug 1873 to Serine A Koisath / Kaiseth/Karseth +other spellings. Serine was born Nov 1848 may have come 1872-1873. It's possible that the middle initial A in her name stands for her father's name (rather than just a middle name.) Other possibilities are, if John and Serine each came in 1873 or 1872, that they may have known each other in Norway. John's occupation in Michigan was miner. Iron ore mining in Ishpeming was big, so it's possible that John was a miner in Norway as well. John and Serine were married by a minister whose name looks like Roarsnæs / Rosnæse or the like. It's possible that he was a Norwegian, possibly Lutheran as well. It's possible that their marriage is recorded in a church register as well. Sometimes in the Norwegian Lutheran church parish registers in America more information is contained on the origins of the parties from Norway--such as their fathers' names, parish or origin. The witnesses to their marriage were Ole Bye and Ole Sarson / Larson. John was employed at New England or New Engine Mine. |
Edited by - jkmarler on 30/09/2012 16:57:41 |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 30/09/2012 : 17:31:20
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Em. 1872 from Orkdal (Ørkedalen), dest Marquet link
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Edited by - Kåarto on 30/09/2012 17:33:28 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 30/09/2012 : 19:11:56
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Here is a possible for Serina baptized #6:
Source information: Sør-Trøndelag county, Byneset, Parish register (official) nr. 612A08 (1846-1859), Birth and baptism records 1849, page 16.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=2363&idx_id=2363&uid=ny&idx_side=-19
Here is a confirmation for Serine Pedersdatter #38 then living a a farm called Koisetplads Kvisetplads per Jan:
Source information: Sør-Trøndelag county, Byneset, Parish register (official) nr. 612A09 (1859-1877), Confirmation records 1865, page 201.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=2364&idx_id=2364&uid=ny&idx_side=-171
Here is Serine Pedersdtr in the 1865 census transcription:
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=2&filnamn=f61655&gardpostnr=105&personpostnr=589&merk=589#ovre
Here is a Serine Pedersdtr leaving for Marquette in 1872:
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=15&filnamn=EMITROND&gardpostnr=11100&merk=11100#ovre
There are farms named Karsæth, Karsæthholten, & Karsæthsholten in Stadsbyden in Sør Trondelag.
Here is the 1915 South Dakota state census in which Serina is assigned a last name of Anderson:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MMHX-RMC
This is still only a "possible" Serina.... |
Edited by - jkmarler on 01/10/2012 09:08:30 |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 30/09/2012 : 19:55:13
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Originally posted by jkmarler
Here is a confirmation for Serine Pedersdatter #38 then living a a farm called Koisetplads:
I think it is Kvisetplads
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 30/09/2012 : 19:56:35
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Kåarto
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Posted - 30/09/2012 : 20:03:13
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Originally posted by Kåarto
Em. 1872 from Orkdal (Ørkedalen), dest Marquet link
Kåre
A interesting candidate, Johan Cornelius Olsen born Oct. 20. 1847 on Ørland.
Parents; Ole Olsen Terning and Johanna Olsdatter, see #47
Johan Olsen Holthe em. 1872 from Orkdal.
Both parents were from Orkdal, he from Meaas and she from Zvaale married Mai 23. 1831 in Orkdal.
There were Holthe farms in Orkdal 1865.
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jwiborg
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Posted - 30/09/2012 : 20:16:31
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I think the Serine you link to above is the correct one, born 18 Nov 1848.
Serine was an illegitimate child, born to bachelor Peder Olsen and married woman Guri Sivertsdr.
Guri Sivertsdatter Langørgen (1816-1890) was married to Anders Andersen Esp (1806-1852), who died on Kvisetplass, Byneset, Sør-Trøndelag.
http://www.larsensplass.com/slekt/getperson.php?personID=I13282&tree=1001
Jan Peter
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 01/10/2012 : 02:18:01
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Probably the arrival of Serine into the United States. Hard to imagine with a name like Petersdatter that she is English. Also the passenger below her is Karen Ingbrights.
New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Sermi Pedersdatter
Arrival Date: 20 Aug 1872
Birth Year: abt 1849
Age: 23
Gender: Female
Ethnicity/Race/Nationality: English
Place of Origin: England
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England and Queenstown, Ireland
Destination: United States of America
Port of Arrival: New York
Port Arrival State: New York
Port Arrival Country: United States
Ship Name: Manhattan
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 01/10/2012 : 20:12:52
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Originally posted by Kåarto
[quote][Johan Olsen Holthe em. 1872 from Orkdal.
Both parents were from Orkdal, he from Meaas and she from Zvaale married Mai 23. 1831 in Orkdal.
There were Holthe farms in Orkdal 1865.
The name Holthe comes from Fagerholthe in Orkdal where the parents settled down after they married.
Johan Olsen 1847 had 5 sibling born in Orkdal.
The parents Ole Olsen Fagerholthe and Johanna Olsdatter left Orkdal with 5 children, Siri, Ole, Anders, Gjertrud and Ole 1843, dest Ørlandet 1845 where Johan was born 1847, right page #19-25
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Kåarto
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Posted - 01/10/2012 : 20:42:08
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Ole Olsen Holthe (Johan Holthes brother) born on Fagerholthe July 2. 1843 #87
He married Nicoline (Lina) Severine Øen from Trondheim.
They settled down in Rindal, Ole Olsen Holthe as "Handelsmand" Merchant.
3 children; Odin Ragnval 1868 #60, Ragna 1875 and Julie 1877.
They em. from Rindalen (Rindal) to USA.
Ole Holthe, Merchant, 1880, dest. Ishpeming, Mich. and Lina (Nicoline) Holthe, her mother widow Randi Øen and the children, dest Sioux City, Iowa in 1881, link.
Fagerholthe on Orkdal is mentioned in 1624 as Fagerholt.
Fager means fine and Holt/Holthe means Grove (small forest)
Have you heard of this family?
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Edited by - Kåarto on 02/10/2012 09:24:25 |
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kithielynn
Junior member
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Posted - 02/10/2012 : 04:25:25
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In the cemetery where Johan and Serine Holthe are buried I have found four stones with the names>
Nicoline Serine Holthe
Birth: Jan. 15, 1836
Death: Dec. 19, 1899
Do you think this is Ole Holthe's wife? And Ole Holthe would be Johan's brother?
Annie Holthe
Birth: Sep. 1, 1868
Death: Jun. 9, 1935
Odin O. Holthe
Birth: 1873
Death: 1920
Odin O. Holthe ------------------This is Johan and Serine's son
Birth: Jul. 10, 1877
Death: Sep. 5, 1968
These are Johan and Serine's children buried in Roseni Cemetery in South Dakota
Children:
Odin O. Holthe (1877 - 1968)*
Gurina Holthe Vik Ness (1878 - 1961)*
John J. Holthe (1883 - 1936)*
Anna Holthe Ellingsen (1883 - 1959)*
Olina H. Holthe Solberg (1888 - 1977)*
I always wanted to know who the other Odin Holthe was and who is connected to who.
In Brule Creek Cemetery I found
Andrew Holthe
Birth: Jan., 1848, Norway
Death: Jun. 29, 1921
Notes are:Andrew O. Holthe was born in January 1848 at Norway. He married Emelia Franson, daughter of Johan Franson and Ellen (?), circa 1893. Andrew O. Holthe died on 29 June 1921 at age 73.
Andrew O. Holthe immigrated in 1867.
I don't know who Andrew is. I am so confused on who these other Holthe's are and if they are related.
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eibache
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Posted - 02/10/2012 : 08:15:17
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Do you think this is Ole Holthe's wife?
- yes, see baptismal record #55 and marriage record #4.
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 02/10/2012 : 09:47:49
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Ole Olsen Holthe b. 1843 on Fagerholthe in Orkdal and Johan (Cornelius) Olsen Holte born on Terning in Ørlandet 1847 are brothers.
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jkmarler
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Kåarto
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Posted - 02/10/2012 : 14:38:55
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Andrew was probably Anders/Andreas in Norway.
Anders/Andreas O (Olsen?) Holthe b. Jan. 1848.
Perhaps he did not use Holthe as lastname i Norway but came from a farm containing Holthe.
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