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carl johnson
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 Posted - 23/02/2013 : 23:41:48
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thank you for the links you added.
I read them and can see the tension that could be carried even to
a new land like America.
Thanks again-
Carl
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Originally posted by Kåarto
No as well as in the Voss area as in the rest of of Norway there was turmoil.
A summary of the history from ca 1397-1905.
After a 400 years union with Denmark called the "400 years dark night" with so many wars against Sweden that ended 1814 where Norway was forced into a union with Sweden because of the Napoleon wars in Europe link
This unwanted union ended 1905 link
A summary of the main reason;
The main reason for the great em. to north America where ca 50 % of the population em. was hunger and powerty.
In the 1790s the authorites started a vaccination program against small pox, a blessing for the parents.
In two generations the population doubled.
It was crowded, people starved, so when the name America was heard in the 1830s it was the beginning of the em. to North America.
The first em. from my area was in 1837, 3 young men; neighbors warned them and said "you can be sold as slaves, If I were you I would rather hang myself in the next tree instead of ending up as slaves"
They could not believe that the land was free.
Kåre
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Kåarto
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Posted - 24/02/2013 : 00:02:08
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Originally posted by carl johnson
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You mentioned 3 boys from your region of Norway. Is your region
near Voss?
No, they were from Eastern Norway, from a valley called Numedal, two farmer sons, Nattestad brothers, and 22 years old Halsten Halvorsen, son of a cottager.
The journey started April 12. and after some trouble they arrived New York on June 6. 1837.
It went well with all three in the US.
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carl johnson
Junior member
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Posted - 24/02/2013 : 00:21:08
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You might live in an area near where my Swedish Grandparents came from. Both were born on farms near Kil, Varmland. That part of Sweden is much closer to Oslo, Norway than any major town in Sweden.
I have been able to trace my Swedish side back to a Nils Jonsson
born 10/24/1730 died 12/27/1792.
You have now made my Norwegian lineage more in-depth than
the Swedish side.
Thanks again so much for all your hard work!
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Hopkins
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Posted - 24/02/2013 : 02:19:02
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One of the major differences in tracking your Norwegian ancestry from that in Sweden, Denmark or Germany is that the Norwegians have published 'bygdebøker',
http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/bygdebok.html
The Voss area of Hordaland in the LDS Family History Library catalog is listed with a number of books related to history and genealogy of the area.
'Vossaboki' by Lars Kindem is available on 2 LDS microfilms.
"Vossaætter" by Lars Kindem might be available by Inter-Library Loan.
"Historie om udvandringen fra Voss og Vossingerne i Amerika : med beskrivelse og historie af Voss, karter og billeder" by K. A. Rene might also be available by Inter-Library Loan.
There could be other books such as the one for Evanger that a friend of mine named Hjornevik used to have.
You could also look for volunteers who have those books and might be willing to look up limited things up for you.
There is also an American club of persons with family history from the Voss area. They have a website and may be able to give you advice on how to learn more.
http://www.vosselag.org/
Just played around on their website and found this very very interesting table of Voss area farms.
http://www.vosselag.org/farmsalpha.html
You've probably already started to use the Voss area church records on the Digitalarkivet website. it is nice that they go back as early as 1709. Of course the handwriting that early can be brutal!
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carl johnson
Junior member
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Posted - 24/02/2013 : 04:04:42
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Thank you for this help-
I have been focused on the Larson side for a few days so this info
will help. I will see what new things I can glean.
You are correct about the sources that I found,
but these new sources will be valuable.
I would not have been successful with the Norway side without Kåre's knowledge of how to weave through so much stuff.
thank you hopkins for your help-
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Kåarto
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Posted - 24/02/2013 : 12:04:54
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Perhaps you can find something of interest here.
It contains a wealth of information of emigrants from Voss , maybe your family is mentioned, link
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Kåarto
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Posted - 24/02/2013 : 17:57:59
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Originally posted by Kåarto
Lars Johnsen also owned three parts of land by the shores (at lake Vossavatnet?) and a farm called Olavsholmen.
Lars Johnsen was called "Store Bjørke" Large Bjørke and was one of the richets farmers on Voss.
His parents; John Larsen 1732-1795 and Sigvor Ivarsdatter from Nesheim in Granvin. She died 1813. In 1773 she recieved deed (propertey) from her brother Pål Nesheim on Bjørku for 650 Daler and 1/3 in the saw milL and "Stampe"
John and Sigvor left a hand drawn bible with descripitions/drawings of them and their children.
The bible is kept on Bjørku farm nr 2 (This farm)
John had a disagreement with sheriff Gusskalk Ringheim, he accused the sheriff for illegal "Sportelering" and the case ended in court.
Even most of the witnesses supported John was the sheriff aquitted.
Sportulering or Sportler; Charges that was a part of the sheriff`s salary.
The probate after John from 1795 shows a property appraisal on 800 Daler and a total value on 1272 Daler.
Children;
- Your Lars 1766
- Thorbjørg 1760 married 1782 Lars Sveinson from Øver (Upper) Lid
- Ivar 1775 married 1802 Martha Josefsdatter from Nedre (Lower) Lid
- Lisbeth 1772 married 1794 Johannes Nilson Jørdre.
The probate registers in Norway will be online in the "nearby" future, many are already.
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carl johnson
Junior member
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Posted - 24/02/2013 : 23:02:46
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This is like a treasure hunt that you are leading me on!
Now we are back in a time where America was just beginning
as a Nation, and you have shown my ancestry from a time and
place were culture was 1000 years old.
Is it even possible to see further into the past?
I am in awe how you have been able to open up my past to me!
Thank you also for the previous posts. They also were great.
Thank you so much!
Carl
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Kåarto
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Posted - 24/02/2013 : 23:56:44
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Hi.
You are welcome.
This familyline goes further back and this is getting more and intersting, espesially Martha Larsdatter Spildo mentioned below.
I`ll try to take it step by step.
John Larsen 1732-95.
his parents;
Lars Johnsen b. on Vestrheim 1699 (son of John Olavsen Vestrheim b. 1661 and Martha Larsdatter b. 1661 on Spildo) and Torbjørg Ivarsdatter Bjørke/Bjørku b. 1706.
Lars and Thorbjørg married 1726, and Lars recieved as a gift, a letter from his father, a part in Bjørku. Lars died 1744 and Torbjørg married again 1745 to Thorstein Olavson Tverbverg.
Probate register after Lars shows that the farm was assessed to 135 Daler and net. fortune valued to 517 Daler which was devided among his three children and the widow.
Thorbjørg died 1750. Children with Lars;
-your John
- Niels 1735
- Lars 1742. Torbjørg had a son Lars 1746 with Thorstein.
A Daler was actually a Speciedaler used in Norway from 1560-1875, worth ca 4 Kroner in 1875.
The origin of the US Dollar and the Norwegian Daler is the German Joaquim Daler. A Norwegian 1628 Speciedaler
The reason Torbjørgs son with Thorstein Tverberg was named Lars was to honor her late husband Lars Johnson.
Continued tomorrow.
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carl johnson
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Posted - 25/02/2013 : 01:46:58
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Wow!
I will need until tomorrow just to process all this!
Like most Norwegians, I do not get very excited about many
things, but this is exciting!
And I did not even know I was part Norwegian until about 4 or 5
weeks ago!
Thank you Kåre
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Kåarto
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Norway
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Posted - 25/02/2013 : 09:30:38
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Really, not until 4 - 5 weeks ago, wow.
Norwegians are known as a bit hesitant until you get to know them.
Lots of funny Ole, Svend and Lena jokes espesially in Minnesota 
Tell you more about Martha Larsdatter from Spildo i Granvin later today
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Kåarto
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Posted - 25/02/2013 : 13:09:37
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Originally posted by Kåarto
John Larsen 1732-95, parents;
Lars Johnsen b. on Vestrheim 1699 and Torbjørg Ivarsdatter Bjørke/Bjørku b. 1706
Continue with Thorbjørg Ivarsdatter, her parents;
Ivar Johannesen Nesheim, Voss, born 1670 and Arngunna Nielsdatter, she married Ivar as a widow after 1704. Arngunna died 1722 and Ivar married Brita Sjursdatter from Nedre (Lower) Skutle.
Thorbjørn and Arngunna had 4 children;
- Nils 1694
- Olav/Ole 1697
- Thorbjørg 1704 (probably died young)
- Your Torbjørg 1706 who married Lars Johnsen Bjørke
Iver Johannesen Nesheim and Bjørke was "Lagrettemann" Local judge in the 1723 "Matrikkulering" A register of all properties so the authorities (the king) could calculate taxes.
Arngunnas parents;
Nils Torgeirson, mentioned as leaseholder on Bjørke 1668, he died before 1691 and Thorbjørg, mentioned as leasholder on Bjørke 1691 and -95, she was a widow when she married Nils Torgeirson.
Nils Torgeirson was local judge several times between 1656-68.
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carl johnson
Junior member
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Posted - 25/02/2013 : 16:27:53
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I am in suspense about Martha Larsdatter from Spildo-
I looked on google earth in street view from across a beautiful lake
towards the little lake town Nesheim. edit or salt water?
Is Bjorke or Bjorku near Nesheim or is it closer to Graue?
Google maps is touchy on proper spelling and sometimes has multiple choices on searches.
Thank you so much for all this research you are doing for me!
I am so looking forward for what you have next!
Carl
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Originally posted by Kåarto
Really, not until 4 - 5 weeks ago, wow.
Norwegians are known as a bit hesitant until you get to know them.
Lots of funny Ole, Svend and Lena jokes espesially in Minnesota
Tell you more about Martha Larsdatter from Spildo i Granvin later today
Kåre
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eibache
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Posted - 25/02/2013 : 18:30:55
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Click on the marker to see the name of the farms, map.
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Kåarto
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Posted - 25/02/2013 : 18:40:17
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These farms are located to a valley, Raumdalen, a 25 Miles long valley east of Voss. Ca 300 persons lives here today.
A brief glimpse of the valley, link
Enter Vossaboki and volume 3. Under contents and bilete: click on "Kartskiss over gardane Dukestad til Urland........." and see where the farms are placed in the valley, god luck.
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Lars Larsen Ingeborg Larsdatter pre 1865 census
