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carl johnson
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 Posted - 06/03/2013 : 00:05:41
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I was wondering if there was a source link for the emigration of all but two children. I am now trying to fill in the time between when they all left for New York, and when they all got to Bellingham (about 10 years) I have not found them arriving here in America, but if there is a departure manifest it might help.
My direct ancestor is Brynjulv-
thank you( if you have time)
Carl
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Originally posted by Kåarto
Lars Larsen Bjørke was married 2 times, his first wife Siselja b. 1819 married 1842.
Children; Ingebjørg, Brita, Ragnhild, Anders, Anna and Lars.
In his 2. marriage in 1856 with Ingebjørg Larsdatter they had following children; Siselja, Nils, Johannes, Brynjulv and Ingebjørg.
All of lars children (9) em. to N. America exept Anders and Nils. Anders takes over Graue and married Martha from Nedre (Lower) Graue 1875, both died on Graue 1908.
Lars recieved deed on the farm 1895 for 3200 Kroner (ca 800 Daler)
His son Lars b. 1878 maried Anna Oddsdatter Tøn in 1908 and recieved deed on the farm 1933 for 10.00 Kroner.
- Nils Larsen b. 1860 on Graue married Tina Nilsdatter, see farm nr 4 under Eggjareid.
Kåre
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Edited by - carl johnson on 06/03/2013 00:11:37 |
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 06/03/2013 : 01:51:36
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In the previous 6 pages of this inquiry thread has it been determined WHERE they were from in Norway? Knowing that it can be guessed which of the many Norwegian ports was closest and therefore most likely to have been the port of departure. (The Digitalarkivet website has databases of emigrant registers for most all of those ports.)
Can you summarize with years of birth and names (full names) the persons you know emigrated and that you hope to find?
Were any of them found in censuses AFTER emigration that listed years they arrived in new country? For example, the US 1900, 1910 or 1920 asked for that information.
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/DigitalArchives.html
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carl johnson
Junior member
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Posted - 06/03/2013 : 02:58:49
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The best info I found on this continent is this about Johannes Larsson who became John J Larson in America-- edit
HISTORY OF THE PUGET SOUND COUNTRY.
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¬JOHN J. LARSON
¬ John J. Larson, a prominent and successful business citizen of What-
com, owning and operating the finest livery line in this city, was born in
Voss, Norway, January 27, 1864. He is the son of Lars and Ingeborg (Ma-
¬ringa) Larson, the former of whom was born in 1817 and is a resident of
Graue, Norway, where he was engaged in farming and logging. The mother
¬is also a native and resident of Norway. Our subject has three brothers and
two half-brothers, two half-sisters and two sisters: Anders, aged fifty-four
years; Lars, aged fifty-two years; Neils, aged forty-three years; William B.,
of Whatcom; Mrs. Anna Helgeson, of Britt, Iowa; Bertha, of Wisconsin;
¬Mrs. Sarah Larkin, of Chicago; and Mrs. Belle Olson, of Seattle.
John J. Larson attended school in his native country until the age of six- teen years and then worked on a farm for two years. He then took advantage of an opportunity to come to the United States, and landed in the city of New York, October lO, 1881. As he was a farmer by occupation, he started for the farm lands of the west, reaching Woodstock, Illinois, and in that locality he remained for five years. He then went to Minneapolis and worked there for three years in a mill, and it was in 1888 that he came to Whatcom.
Looking about for a suitable place for permanent settlement. He was soon
¬employed by the Bellingham Bay Railroad Company, and continued with that
company for eight years in the capacity of coachman and stableman, thus
gaining a practical knowledge of a business in which he has been very successful. Mr. Larson took care of his money and later invested it in a small livery business at 1375 Elk street, and continued at that location until he moved into stables which he had erected on the corner of Elk and Magnolia streets. The building is a convenient and commodious one, a three-story brick structure, with the first floor taken up with offices, harness room, rigs; the second floor with stabling, with a capacity of eighty-six head of horses.
The raze of this modern and well appointed building is fifty-five by one hundred and twenty- five feet, and cost Mr. Larson eighteen thousand dollars. He has now a fine encampment, including sixty-six head of stock, and all kinds of carriages and hacks, and he also conducts a general transfer and hauling business. This he has acquired since August, 1896, when he owned but two head of horses and two single buggies. On October 1, 1892, Mr. Larson married Sophie Peterson, who was born in Sweden. And two children have been born to them : Ruth, aged seven years, and Elvin, aged three years.
Mr.and Mrs. Larson belong to the Lutheran Church. In politics he is a Republican. He is an active member of these secret organizations: the Odd Fellows, the Maccabees, the Woodmen of Amerma, the Eagles, the Elks, Rebekah lodge of the order of Odd Fellows and Knights of Pythias.
Mr.Larson is one of the city's most progressive business men. He has built up his own business by energy and Industry, and is interested in all the movements looking to making Whatcom one of the great commercial centers of the western coast.
the link did not work so this is the new info edit end
The two brothers ended up in Bellingham, WA USA.
Johannes(John J Larson) and Brynjulv (William Brennel Larson)
Both are the son of Lars Larsson Graue who was alive living with his son in 1900http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=6&filnamn=f01235&gardpostnr=586&merk=586#ovre
Brynjulf was my great grandfather. I do not know when he came to America, but he married a Katherine Clyce in Bellingham 1891-
Katherine was from Missouri so I think Brynjulf worked his way across America until he could follow Johanne to Bellingham
Thank you-
I will try to edit more info in later
Carl
edit-http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=15&filnamn=f71235&gardpostnr=393&personpostnr=2810&merk=2810#ovrethis was from 1875
quote:
Originally posted by Hopkins
In the previous 6 pages of this inquiry thread has it been determined WHERE they were from in Norway? Knowing that it can be guessed which of the many Norwegian ports was closest and therefore most likely to have been the port of departure. (The Digitalarkivet website has databases of emigrant registers for most all of those ports.)
Can you summarize with years of birth and names (full names) the persons you know emigrated and that you hope to find?
Were any of them found in censuses AFTER emigration that listed years they arrived in new country? For example, the US 1900, 1910 or 1920 asked for that information.
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/DigitalArchives.html
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Edited by - carl johnson on 06/03/2013 06:19:31 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 06/03/2013 : 09:52:06
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Here is the family in Washington state in 1900. W.B. Larson is listed as born Nov 1867, coming to US in 1884 and marrying in about in 1891:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MM59-4WT
Here is William and Katherine's marriage record--15 Dec 1891, lots of information there including origin in Norway and New Holstien Missouri:
http://media.digitalarchives.wa.gov/WA.Media/jpeg/F1B120DFE5A52A0612345FF874DB7D92_1.jpg
To answer Hopkins above, since Voss is the place, most likely port is Bergen.
His departure is noted in the parish register, looks like 1883 with a destination of Illinois, #23 utflyttede column:
Source information: Hordaland county, Voss, Parish register (official) nr. A 20 (1855-1886), Migration records 1884, page 331.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7093&idx_id=7093&uid=ny&idx_side=-236
One suggestion for you if you haven't already done, take a look in the newspaper archive at www.genealogybank.com. There is a paper from Bellingham, Wash covered there with a few mentions of William Larson. Apparently his brother John J died in a car accident in which he backed his auto over a 40 foot embankment and died in 1907--lots of stuff there! The "looks" are free but to get the full article you must subscribe...
Here is Katherine Larson's death record transcript at the Washington State Secretary of State digital archives page:
www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/Record/View/D453F6DC478FE818A4CD98986DC7098C" target="_blank">http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/Record/View/D453F6DC478FE818A4CD98986DC7098C
Here is John J. Larson's death certificate, informant is William B. Larson:
http://media.digitalarchives.wa.gov/WA.Media/jpeg/322868BAC94E844470B1A3E6483640B1_1.jpg |
Edited by - jkmarler on 06/03/2013 11:13:19 |
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jkmarler
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carl johnson
Junior member
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Posted - 06/03/2013 : 17:12:34
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Thank you jkmarler
This is great info-
especially the document that shows Brunjulf's departure time
from Graue and the intended place in USA of Illinois.
According to the historical book page I posted previously, one of his sisters "Mrs. Sarah Larkin" of Chicago might have already been there?
There does not seem to be enough sisters born in Norway to
complete the history that Mr. Prosser wrote about- 4 sisters
It is a mystery
thank you for all the info
I wonder what ship arrived in New York? about that time?
Carl
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Originally posted by jkmarler
Here is the family in Washington state in 1900. W.B. Larson is listed as born Nov 1867, coming to US in 1884 and marrying in about in 1891:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MM59-4WT
Here is William and Katherine's marriage record--15 Dec 1891, lots of information there including origin in Norway and New Holstien Missouri:
http://media.digitalarchives.wa.gov/WA.Media/jpeg/F1B120DFE5A52A0612345FF874DB7D92_1.jpg
To answer Hopkins above, since Voss is the place, most likely port is Bergen.
His departure is noted in the parish register, looks like 1883 with a destination of Illinois, #23 utflyttede column:
Source information: Hordaland county, Voss, Parish register (official) nr. A 20 (1855-1886), Migration records 1884, page 331.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7093&idx_id=7093&uid=ny&idx_side=-236
One suggestion for you if you haven't already done, take a look in the newspaper archive at www.genealogybank.com. There is a paper from Bellingham, Wash covered there with a few mentions of William Larson. Apparently his brother John J died in a car accident in which he backed his auto over a 40 foot embankment and died in 1907--lots of stuff there! The "looks" are free but to get the full article you must subscribe...
Here is Katherine Larson's death record transcript at the Washington State Secretary of State digital archives page:
www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/Record/View/D453F6DC478FE818A4CD98986DC7098C" target="_blank">http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/Record/View/D453F6DC478FE818A4CD98986DC7098C
Here is John J. Larson's death certificate, informant is William B. Larson:
http://media.digitalarchives.wa.gov/WA.Media/jpeg/322868BAC94E844470B1A3E6483640B1_1.jpg
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Edited by - carl johnson on 06/03/2013 17:57:57 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 06/03/2013 : 18:06:44
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Sure Carl there is a possible connection to Illinois, but to get most any place in the West, via train, Chicago is the natural hub.
Here is a page which has the searchable emigration departures from Norwegian ports. You could look for any of the siblings there. If the page transforms to Norwegian you can get the English version back by clicking on the word English on the top or bottom tool bar:
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebMeta.exe?slag=vismeny&fylkenr=&knr=&katnr=5&aar=&dagens=&emnenr=1
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carl johnson
Junior member
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Posted - 06/03/2013 : 18:08:52
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Thank you so much!
Carl
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Originally posted by jkmarler
Sure Carl there is a possible connection to Illinois, but to get most any place in the West, via train, Chicago is the natural hub.
Here is a page which has the searchable emigration departures from Norwegian ports. You could look for any of the siblings there. If the page transforms to Norwegian you can get the English version back by clicking on the word English on the top or bottom tool bar:
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebMeta.exe?slag=vismeny&fylkenr=&knr=&katnr=5&aar=&dagens=&emnenr=1
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 06/03/2013 : 18:26:21
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By the by, Carl, Brynjulv, from the list posted earlier, had 2 full sisters:
Siselja (speculating this may be Sarah?)
Ingebjørg --known as Belle in US
And 4 half sisters:
Ingebjørg
Brita (speculating could be Bertha?)
Ragnhild
Anna = Anna
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carl johnson
Junior member
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Posted - 06/03/2013 : 18:34:45
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So Sarah would have followed her brothers to the Chicago/Woodstock area and remained as she probably married a local there?
So it seems there were more siblings to Brynjulf then was portrayed
in the "History of the Puget Sound Region"
Thank You-
Carl
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Originally posted by jkmarler
By the by, Carl, Brynjulv, from the list posted earlier, had 2 full sisters:
Siselja (speculating this may be Sarah?)
Ingebjørg --known as Belle in US
And 4 half sisters:
Ingebjørg
Brita (speculating could be Bertha?)
Ragnhild
Anna = Anna
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jkmarler
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Posted - 06/03/2013 : 19:21:37
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carl johnson
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Posted - 06/03/2013 : 19:25:47
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That makes good sense-
Carl
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Originally posted by jkmarler
It could be that some of the siblings have passed on already and therefore aren't mentioned in the story.
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carl johnson
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Posted - 09/03/2013 : 22:16:51
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I am hoping someone has the time to read and translate the names and the farms the witnesses from Brynjulfs baptism were, page 23 #113
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=11779&idx_id=11779&uid=ny&idx_side=-20
I am attempting to expand relationships if any that his father and mother may have had, and who may have traveled to America from his family
right around his birth (1860's)
Any additional material is appreciated!
Thanks
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 09/03/2013 : 23:58:31
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| Your posted link does not work. Copying the address in your browser window and pasting it in does not produce a functional address to the pages in the parish register images. When you look at the page in the blue section at the top there are 3 choices, page viewing size, where you want the image documentation to appear and whether or not you want the Norwegian archive logo to show. In the image information you can choose on top overst, on bottom, or not. When the information appears at the top or bottom the address to copy is the information labelled as "permanent page link" side lenke. |
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carl johnson
Junior member
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Posted - 10/03/2013 : 00:07:46
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Thank you-
Here is second attempt
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=11779&idx_id=11779&uid=ny&idx_side=-20
I also revised first request-
Thanks for instructions
Carl
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Originally posted by jkmarler
Your posted link does not work. Copying the address in your browser window and pasting it in does not produce a functional address to the pages in the parish register images. When you look at the page in the blue section at the top there are 3 choices, page viewing size, where you want the image documentation to appear and whether or not you want the Norwegian archive logo to show. In the image information you can choose on top overst, on bottom, or not. When the information appears at the top or bottom the address to copy is the information labelled as "permanent page link" side lenke.
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Edited by - carl johnson on 10/03/2013 01:31:50 |
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Lars Larsen Ingeborg Larsdatter pre 1865 census
