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Joshuastendahl
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Posted - 15/02/2013 :  13:23:01  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have some hand written notes that show my Great Great Grandfather Hans Johnson being born 1839 in Hamer Norway to John Johnson and Helen Severson. Hans would have had two brothers, Sever being born April 15th, 1842 in Christina, Norway and John being born January 19th1848 near Hedmarken.
Any help is appreciated.

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Hopkins
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Posted - 15/02/2013 :  15:39:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Which of the persons above actually emigrated to the US? Where did they settle? When you checked US censuses for additional information what immigration years were given for any of the family members born in Norway?

The locations given in the notes are fairly scattered and 'near Hedmarken' would be a huge area. Would the family still be in Norway for the 1865 census? The info in the US censuses would help you determine that.
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Joshuastendahl
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Posted - 15/02/2013 :  16:50:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This is what I have on the brothers...


Hans Snekker Johnson (John Johnson) was born 1839 in Hamer-Hedemarken, Norway died November 18th, 1899 in Osseo, Wisconsin. He married Karen Oline Larsdatter (Lars Hanson) on March 1st, 1969. She was born March 9th, 1851 in Hone Fussen, Norway died July 3rd, 1928 in Osseo, Wisconsin.
Children of Hans Johnson and Karen Oline Larsdatter are:
§ +Julia Marie Johnson was born December 10th, 1869 in Christina, Norway and died in 1945. She is buried in the Fairchild Cemetery in Fairchild, Wisconsin.
§ Alma Johnson was born March 15th, 1874 in the Township of Sumner, Wisconsin. Died February 11th, 1885.
§ Hartvig Johnson was born February 14th, 1876 in Sumner, Wisconsin. Died February 28th, 1885.
§ Ellen Johnson was born June 8th, 1878 in the Township of Sumner, Wisconsin. Died March 10th, 1885.
§ John Johnson was born February 8th, 1880 in the Township of Sumner, Wisconsin. Died February 15th, 1885.
§ Oskar Johnson born June 17th, 1882 in the Township of Sumner, Wisconsin. Died February 24th, 1885.
§ Osgard Johnson born June 17th, 1882 in the Township of Sumner, Wisconsin. Died February 24th, 1885.
§ Julius Johnson born June 13th 1884 in the Township of Sumner, Wisconsin. Died February 21st, 1885. Died February 21st, 1885.
§ +Ellen Amanda Johnson born July 28th 1886 in Pigeon Falls, Wisconsin. Died June 16th, 1973 in Osseo, Wisconsin.
§ +Oluf Johnson was born November 15th, 1890 in Osseo, Wisconsin and died February 4th, 1944 in Osseo, Wisconsin.
§ +Anna Josephine Johnson born January 3rd, 1894 in Osseo, Wisconsin. Died March 31st, 1966. Married to Albert Nerbovig on January 30th, 1918 in Osseo, Wisconsin. He died 1973.

Sever Johnson born April 15th, 1842 near Christina, Norway. In 1869 he married Inga Iversdatter. She was born September 16th, 1848. She died June 7th, 1924. The couple immigrated in 1874.
Children of Sever Johnson and Inga Iversdatter are:
§ Nels Johnson born about 1877 in Wisconsin.
§ Amy Johnson born about 1870 in Wisconsin.
§ Ellen Johnson born about 1883 in Wisconsin.
§ Ida Johnson born about 1888 in Wisconsin.
§ Anne Johnson born about 1892 in Wisconsin.
SOURCE 1900 Census for Fairchild Village Eau Claire County, Wisconsin.

John Johnson born January 19th, 1848 in Hedemarken, Norway April 24th, 1872 he married Martha Vold. She died April 29th, 1926. The couple immigrated in 1850.
Children of John Johnson and Martha Vold are:
§ Henry Johnson born about 1882 in Wisconsin.
§ Mebel Johnson born about 1884 in Wisconsin.
§ James Johnson born about 1886 in Wisconsin.
§ Selma Johnson born about 1888 in Wisconsin.
§ Elmer Johnson born about 1890 in Wisconsin.
SOURCE: 1900 Census for Holland Township, La Crosse County, Wisconsin.

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Hopkins
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Posted - 15/02/2013 :  18:46:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Even with the place names incomplete or mispelled and persons names that have been adapted to American styles that is better and more complete information to start with.

The place names --
Norway is divided into 'flyke' - like provinces or states - any basic world atlas will show you that among the names of those flyker is HEDMARK. (Notice the similarity to 'Hedemarken'??)
You can learn about Hedmark and possibly figure out what was really meant by "Hamer".
https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Hedmark_County,_Norway

There is no Sumner County is Wisconsin - so you must be referring to a town. A map of Wisconsin shows that Sumner is in Barron County Wisconsin so that is where you'd first look for information about that family. But another website says Sumner is in Trempealeau County?? There is an Osseo in Trempealeau Co. WI. The first born daughter born in Norway (there is no Christina so that must be figured out) and the next child in Barron Co. Wisconsin so you can deduce that they emigrated between 1869 and 1874. They might appear int he 1865 Norwegian census databases and the actual locality there where the daughter was born and they last lived could be accurately identified.

The word 'snekker' in Norwegian is not a name but an occupation. You can look it up.
http://home.online.no/~otjoerge/files/word.htm

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Joshuastendahl
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Posted - 15/02/2013 :  19:41:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Township of Sumner, Trempealeau County, Wisconsin. I do use familysearch.org quite a bit and its great for the states but I haven't seen it work that well for overseas. Again, appreciate the help.

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Kċarto
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Posted - 15/02/2013 :  20:40:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hamer-Hedmarken is Hamar

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Hopkins
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Posted - 15/02/2013 :  21:52:15  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Familysearch.org is very good for Norway too and improving all the time. They have hundreds of volunteers going through the Norwegian parish records and indexing births and marriages for many many parts of Norway as we speak. The collection grows daily.

The library catalog at Familysearch.org indicates that the church records for Harmar, Hedmark, Norway before about 1853 will be found in the books for the district of Vang, Hedmark. So if Hans Johannessen was born in Hamar he could be expected to be listed in those parish records.
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Hopkins
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Posted - 15/02/2013 :  22:19:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hans Johannessen was not born in Hamar, Hedmark.
He was born in Oslo (Kristiania) on 29 Aug 1839 to Johannes Nilsen and Elen Hansdatter. His younger brother was Syver Johannessen, born 15 April 1842 in Vallset, Hedmark, Norway to Johannes Nilsen and Elen Hansdatter.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N4YC-DMN
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NWGL-WV3
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Joshuastendahl
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Posted - 27/10/2018 :  16:42:45  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
So a question...
Hans Johannessen was born in Oslo on August 29th, 1839 although I think on the marriage record to Karen Oline you could make the case the date looks more like August 8th, 1839.
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/1094/309

His parents were Johannes Nilsen and Elen Hansdatter... I've found the christening listed in Garnison Menight, Oslo, Askershus, Norway on Family Search.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N4YC-DMN

I think this looks like his confirmation but it's now up in Romedal which is a bit away from Oslo?
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/279/pk00000001643190
And that lists his birthplace as Christiania - that is an old name for Oslo, correct?

Lastly they were married in Hole, near Honefoss which is Karen Oline's Birthplace.

My question is all of the bouncing around is making it tough to find his father... I've got it listed as Johannes Nilssen and have three potential but since I can't find his age in any of Hans information I haven't been able to clearly identify who is father or mother listed as Ellen Hansdatter is. Any idea's?






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lyndal40
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Posted - 27/10/2018 :  23:13:25  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
A tough search but you could start by looking at the record of the baptisms of the sons. Here is the original record for Syver. A farm name is attached to the couple which looks like a version of Kaare-Fjĉstad also spelled Kaarefjestad. So the question is which of the couple is associated with that farm. Looking at the list of witnesses I see several of them have a version of that farm name attached to them, including a Niels.

#58

So we need to see if we can connect one or both of the parents to that farm.

Also the name after Syver is probably Lĝitens a sub parish.

Third son Johan

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Edited by - lyndal40 on 27/10/2018 23:48:44
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Kċarto
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Posted - 28/10/2018 :  00:06:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
His father must have been in the army since Hans was bapt. i the Garrison congregation at Akershus Fortress. I cant read his military grade, G.....Nr 2. (Grenader??) Enlisted Nr 2.

Edited by - Kċarto on 28/10/2018 00:18:17
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lyndal40
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Posted - 28/10/2018 :  00:10:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I see that they also had a daughter in 1845 in Romedal, Hedmark.

Sessel Johannesdr
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Sessel Johannesdr
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 29 nov 1844
Baptism Date: 5 jan 1845
Baptism Place: , Romedal, Hedmark, Norway
Father: Johannes Nielsen
Mother: Elen Hansdr
FHL Film Number: 124367

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Edited by - lyndal40 on 28/10/2018 00:10:56
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Kċarto
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Posted - 28/10/2018 :  00:13:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hans bapt. #18
Father G...…(Grenader??) No 2 Johannes Nielsen Bryn...……. Place of living : Fĉstningen (The Fortress)

Garrison Church, Akershus Castle Church link

Edited by - Kċarto on 28/10/2018 00:17:57
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lyndal40
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Posted - 28/10/2018 :  00:45:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here is an interesting find. I think that they had a son early on in their lives. Probably in Stange parish of Hedmark.

Nils Johannesen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Nils Johannesen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 22 okt 1828 (22 Oct 1828)
Baptism Date: 23 nov 1828
Baptism Place: Hedmark, Norway
Father: Johannes Nilsen
Mother: Elen Hansdatter
FHL Film Number: 124375

In 1865 a Elen Hansdatter left Romedal for Stange, she is listed as having been born in 1801.

Link

This is likely her in the 1865 Norwegian Census living with her son Nils in Stange

1865

This is likely the marriage of Elen Hansdatter and Johan Nielsen. Her father is Hans Eriksen and his father is Niels Larsen.

Elen Hansdatter
in the Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926
Name: Elen Hansdatter
[Elen Eriksen]
Gender: Female
Age: 27
Birth Date: 1801
Marriage Date: 22 aug 1828
Marriage Place: Stange, Hedmark, Norway
Father: Hans Eriksen
Spouse: Johanes Nielsen
FHL Film Number: 124375

Johanes Nielsen
in the Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926
Name: Johanes Nielsen
Gender: Male
Age: 31
Birth Date: 1797
Marriage Date: 22 aug 1828
Marriage Place: Stange, Hedmark, Norway
Father: Niels Larsen
Spouse: Elen Hansdatter
FHL Film Number: 124375

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Edited by - lyndal40 on 28/10/2018 01:40:55
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Joshuastendahl
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Posted - 28/10/2018 :  01:17:15  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thoughts on potential confirmation for Johanes Nielsen?
Location looks to be right if they came from Stange originally...
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/279/pk00000001257651

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Joshuastendahl
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Posted - 28/10/2018 :  01:20:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Is this the same as the marriage record above?
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/327/pv00000002024922


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