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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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NancyB
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 Posted - 20/11/2016 : 19:35:15
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Originally posted by jkmarler
Some records on Elmer Anderson
It really is amazing how much Elmer moved around back when it wasn't so easy to do! It's hard to imagine going up to Alaska and then back! I've been in touch with a granddaughter of Elmer, but unfortunately she hasn't been interested in sharing information. I am reaching out again to some of the descendants still living in Iowa. They, too, have not been responsive, but it doesn't hurt to try again. I've shared the discovery of Lewis on a family tree, and I'm hoping that might trigger a response of some kind. |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 21/11/2016 : 14:53:00
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Let's hope the marriage record tells more about Betsey.
Passengers from Norway often entered North America in Canada link
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 21/11/2016 : 16:13:38
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You had mentioned the Lewis Johnson found in a database online. Was it this database?
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:2:3HMG-Q73
Having studied the online transcription of the Boone county marriages at family search it appears that about 1880 either the transcriptions were expanded to include additional information in the record about the contracting couple or perhaps the original forms were changed and included more information. Getting the actual marriage record is important either way for any additional information about Betsy such as witnesses, where the marriage was performed etc. might shed some light on her life and movements and relatives. Having the original might also settle the question whether or not her middle initial is R or B, since there are dueling transcriptions between Ancestry and familysearch.
As it is, the children seem remarkably consistent about her name as being Betsy Johnson in the records viewed thus far (excluding the misleading Runyan reference.)
One record source which hasn't yet been explored is the potential church records the marriage maybe and the baptisms of the children.
Godparents are often friends or relatives and pastors of one type of
"ethnic" Lutheran church may record more information about the "furriner" in their midst than they otherwise might have.
Land ownership is a big deal for most folks. The land records should be explored in both Boone and Wadena to see any detail therein including the name of the grantor, the date of purchase, the date of the sale and the name of the grantee. Often land records contain unexpected and clarifying information revealing a purchase between relatives. |
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NancyB
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Posted - 21/11/2016 : 22:53:27
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Originally posted by jkmarler
You had mentioned the Lewis Johnson found in a database online. Was it this database?
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:2:3HMG-Q73
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One record source which hasn't yet been explored is the potential church records the marriage maybe and the baptisms of the children.
Godparents are often friends or relatives and pastors of one type of
"ethnic" Lutheran church may record more information about the "furriner" in their midst than they otherwise might have.
Land ownership . . .
Yes, that is the online database where I found Lewis. I'm told I have to go to our local Family History Library in person for help tracing that record, and I hope to do that next week. (They are closed this week.)
About 3 years ago I aggressively pursued church records both in Great Falls and in the Boone area of Iowa. Had some nice people searching their church records, but no one turned up anything. I will review my notes to see if I missed churches of interest.
I definitely need to pursue the land ownership thing.
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 22/11/2016 : 00:14:56
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There were churches in Boone county according to Betsy's obit:
"...The family made their home in Pilot Mound, Iowa. They affiliated with the Lutheran Church at Boone and later the church at Boxholm, Iowa. ..."
On the "Dops" record for one of the kids, what was the pastor's name who signed it?
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 22/11/2016 : 23:57:43
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Some of the other families living in Worth County in 1870 include Iver Johnson Hove born 1822. No room for a daughter in the family. However he did have a brother Lars Johnson Hove born 27 MAY 1804 • Vik, Sogn og Fjordane, Norway who also lived in Worth and Boone counties and had a daughter named Brita (Betsy) Jonsson born in 1836 in Norway died in 1900 in Boone County. Last son of Lars is listed as Andrew born in 1850 in Iowa. Hard to find a place for a Betsy born in 1851 in Norway in this family
There is also a Henry Johnson living in Worth County in 1870 born 1825 in Norway but it appears that he was never married or at least until after 1880 of the age to have reasonably fathered a Betsy in 1851.
There is also a John Johnson born in Norway in 1827, wife named Barbara. He has a daughter named Bilsy born in Wisconsin in 1853, actually shown as Betsey in the 1860 Census. Older sister Lena was born abt 1850 in Norway. Hard to fit another Betsey into this family.
There is D Ole Johnson in the 1870 Census in Worth. He can be found in various Family Trees where he is listed as Ole Dahlseide ** Johnson born BIRTH 18 JUN 1827 • Bergen, Hordaland fylke, Norway. He supposedly arrived in 1850 and had a child born in Illinois in 1852 so it is hard to imagine that he is the father of a Betsey.
Ole had a brother Johannes D Johnson born BIRTH 28 DEC 1829 • Bergen, Bergen, Hordaland, NORWAY who is also found in Worth in 1870. As near as I can tell his first child was born in 1857 either in Iowa or Wisconsin. He is found in the 1870 Census under the name of J D Johnson. b abt 1830 He seems to have been married twice first to Marta Einarsdatter Dyvik in 1853 in Wisconsin with whom he had two children one in Wisconsin and one in Iowa. She died in Iowa in 1858 after the birth of the second child. He is supposed to have immigrated in 1849 so would have been difficult for him to be the father of Betsy.
The above list covers the males living in Northwood or Hartland in Worth County, Iowa who could have reasonably fathered a Betsy born in 1851.I do not see a good candidate. |
Edited by - AntonH on 23/11/2016 02:18:09 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 23/11/2016 : 17:09:47
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Going back to Gunerius Johnson in Boone county, the 1870 census finds that he has real estate valued at $800. If you do conclude to search the land records of Boone you might also want to find details of his land purchase and sale, just to see who it went to.
I have been unable to find Gunerius' fate as well as that of his family. The Iver Johnson I followed in Story county turned out not to be from this family. Even though the daughter Ingeborg's birthdate does not match Betsy's, Ingeborg is a name often Americanized to Belle and Isabelle (as seen in 1870) and she has Anne as a middle name and she is of an approximate age to match, and she is in Boone county just 4 years before the marriage which occurred in that place and is the first record certain to be Betsy. Either Betsy has to go to Alexander or Alexander to Betsy to overcome the geography and there would likely also have to be a reason for Betsy to be in Boone either way. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 24/11/2016 : 19:16:18
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Here is a very long shot. A family living in Boone County Iowa in 1870. A small family with two children one girl one boy. The father and the two children can be traced to Norway and found in the 1865 Census with a different mother and a third child a daughter named Karen Sophie born Aug 26, 1851 and baptized Feb 22, 1852. This child does not show up in the 1870 Census for the family in Iowa. Now this is a very long shot since her name does not resemble Betsy and the birth date is not exactly correct either.Further she is not born anywhere near Bergen. But she has some possibilities.Her family is in Boone County Iowa in 1870 and is small with only one son. Here is some of the data on her.
Karen Sophie Nilsen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-192
Name: Karen Sophie Nilsen
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 26 aug 1851
Baptism Date: 22 feb 1852
Baptism Place: Risor,Aust-Agder,Norway
Father: Niels Johnsen
Mother: Karen Alfsdr
FHL Film Number: 123657
Digitalarkivet record
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/kb20060131010078
Some writing under the Feb 22 date that I cannot read?
The family in 1865 Norwegian Census
http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste_e.aspx?ft=1865&knr=0901&kenr=0259&bnr=0259&lnr=000
The family minus Karen Sophie in the 1870 US Census and with wife named Inger some ten years older than first wife.
Nelson Johnson
in the 1870 United States Federal Census
Name: Nelson Johnson
Age in 1870: 45
Birth Year: abt 1825
Birthplace: Norway
Home in 1870: Cass, Boone, Iowa
Race: White
Gender: Male
Post Office: Perry Dallas County
Value of real estate: View image
Household Members:
Name Age
Nelson Johnson 45
Inger Johnson 50
Anna Johnson 12
John A Johnson 6
Perhaps Nelson Johnson marries Inger in 1868
Nels Johnson
in the Iowa, Select Marriages Index, 1758-1996
Name: Nels Johnson
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 1829
Marriage Date: 25 May 1868
Marriage Place: Story City, Story County, Iowa
Marriage Age: 39
Spouse: Inger Torene Anderson
FHL Film Number: 1403711
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Edited by - AntonH on 28/11/2016 02:05:49 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 24/11/2016 : 19:53:30
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This looks like the same family in 1880 Census but minus the daughter Anna.
Nelse Johnson
in the 1880 United States Federal Census
Name: Nelse Johnson
Age: 56
Birth Year: abt 1824
Birthplace: Norway
Home in 1880: Washington, Story, Iowa
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Self (Head)
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Inger Johnson
Name Age
Nelse Johnson 56
Inger Johnson 62
John A. Johnson 16
In 1885 Anna is back home.
Nelse Johnson
in the Iowa, State Census Collection, 1836-1925
Name: Nelse Johnson
Age: 60
Birth Year: abt 1825
Birth Place: Norway
Residence Date: 1885
Residence Place: Washington, Story, Iowa, USA
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Nelse Johnson 60
Ingar Johnson 67
Anna Johnson 26
Andrew Johnson 20
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 24/11/2016 : 19:53:56
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I think the small notation under the baptismal date says that she was baptized by the pastor at home on 31 Aug.
Karen Sophie was confirmed #10:
SAK, Risør sokneprestkontor, F/Fa/L0004: Parish register (official) no. A 4, 1865-1882, p. 275
Quick link: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/kb20060509100169
As anticipated, Karen's mother Karen Alfsdatter dies in Norway #1:
SAK, Risør sokneprestkontor, F/Fa/L0004: Parish register (official) no. A 4, 1865-1882, p. 550
Quick link: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/kb20060509100316
A search of the utflyttedes didn't find the family leaving.
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 28/11/2016 : 01:59:32
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I do not think that Niels Johnson of Risør is the same as the Nelse Johnson of Boone County Iowa. Here is Niels Johnson and his new wife Magdalene Brunn. They were married in 1871. Both the Risør Niels Johnsen and the Boone County Nelse Johnson had sons named John Andreas and both were born in 1862. But the one in Risør is still there in 1875 so cannot be in Boone County in 1870.
Here is the Niels Johnson in Risør in 1875.
http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste_e.aspx?ft=1875&knr=0901&kenr=004&bnr=0039&lnr=00
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 28/11/2016 : 13:19:08
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This may be Nelse Johnson in 1895
Slater (town), Story, Iowa
link
Could be he marries Carrie in 1898
link
1900 census
Slater etc, Story, Iowa
Nels Johnson 75 born Jan 1825 Norway em 1865, naturalized
Carrie Johnson wife b Jan 1860 Norway em 1880
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Billion Graves website
Bethlehem Cemetery, Slater, Story, Iowa
Enger Johnson 27 May 1814 - 12 May 1897
Nels Johnson 1825 - 1910
Carrie Johnson 1850 - unavailable
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Find-a-Grave has transcribed the dates as
Nels Johnson 1825-1916
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Edited by - JaneC on 28/11/2016 14:26:03 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 28/11/2016 : 19:07:49
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| The church record of the Nels and Carrie marriage in the ELCA database only gives each of the contracting parties ages, his 72, hers 37, each born in Norway and the witnesses names of Mr and Mrs. (looks like) Sam Olson. |
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NancyB
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Posted - 30/11/2016 : 22:40:26
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Just a quick update. I am aggressively pursuing two Norwegian DNA matches of my mother who are a close match to each other. One is the original match who led to me resurrecting this search here. The other is someone who made 7 trips to Norway and knew the family history well. Unfortunately, she passed away a couple of years ago, but I am in touch with her daughter-in-law who his very willing to share information with me. I am plotting family trees for both matches, hoping that I can spot a common ancestor. I have found some overlap geographically (in Lavik), but so far haven't identified a common ancestor.
For anyone into DNA, these two matches share 243 cM over 14 segments. I know a there are a lot of variables when dealing with DNA, but I have found common ancestors for two people sharing only 88 cM over 3 segments at the great-great-grandparent level. So I am hopeful. If I can find the common ancestor(s) for these two matches, it should put me on the right trail to finding Betsy Johnson.
As a side note, I feel I have previously exhausted the Lutheran churches in the Boone County area. I also spoke with someone in the recorder's office in Boone County this week who told me their office would not have a marriage certificate the state did not find. If my DNA pursuit doesn't pan out, I will try our local Family History Library since obviously the marriage record was transcribed from something. Unfortunately, my contact in Boone has disappeared.
Thank you to all who have joined in this search.
Nancy
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Betsy Johnson of Bergen
