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jkmarler
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Posted - 03/09/2013 :  03:52:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Something is not quite right. That Ida is born about 1881 way, way off from 1850...
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Hopkins
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Posted - 03/09/2013 :  04:12:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Ida is the daughter. She also married someone named Anderson and another Swede like her mother did.
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jkmarler
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Posted - 03/09/2013 :  04:23:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Quite. But where is Mama?

Here is the transcription of a possible family in 1880 from the Norwegians in Iowa database at Digitalrkivet. The only Betsy in Boone county in 1880:
Ole Anderson m 40 f Swe Swe Swe 44 Pilot Mound Boone Iowa
4048 Betsey Anderson f 28 N N N 44 Pilot Mound Boone Iowa
4049 John Anderson m 5 Ia SWe N 44 Pilot Mound Boone Iowa
4050 Andrew Anderson m 3 Ia SWe N 44 Pilot Mound Boone Iowa
4051 Emma Anderson f 2 Ia SWe N 44 Pilot Mound Boone Iowa
4052 Christine Anderson f 2/12 Mar Ia SWe N 44 Pilot Mound Boone Iowa

Edited by - jkmarler on 03/09/2013 04:32:09
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NancyB
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Posted - 03/09/2013 :  05:43:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by K�arto

quote:
Originally posted by NancyB

I have tried searching Digitalarkivet, but find nothing. My gg-grandmother's obituary says she was born Betsy Ann Johnson on 28 Feb 1850 in Bergin, Norway. She was baptized and confirmed in Norway. She came to America at the age of 18, making her home in Northwood, Worth, Iowa. (All of that is from the obituary.)



I guess Bergin was Bergen town, western Norway.

K�re



I suspected Bergin was misspelled in the obituary.

NancyB
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NancyB
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Posted - 03/09/2013 :  05:47:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jkmarler

Here is a Betzy Marthilde T�nsberg age 15 born Bergen in the 1865 census. And her father is named Jens K T�nsberg. Jens might be adapted to John as in Johnson or Johnsdatter:
http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=1&filnamn=f61301&gardpostnr=1864&personpostnr=20902&merk=20902#ovre

Less likely. Here is her confirmation #34 birthdate given as 7 Oct 1851:
Source information: Bergen county, Korskirken, Parish register (official) nr. C 3 (1854-1868), Confirmation records women 1867, page 226.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=1966&idx_id=1966&uid=ny&idx_side=-227




Still interesting as her first daughter was named Anna Mathilda.

NancyB
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NancyB
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Posted - 03/09/2013 :  05:56:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Hopkins

I think I'd look long and hard for Betsy in the 1925 Iowa State Census. That census asked everyone for their father's name and their mother's name (maiden name) and it MIGHT have some notation of when she immigrated to the US.

I agree that she was in Pocahontas Co. IA for the 1910 census and she is shown as dying in that same county in 1934.

I grew up not far from that county and am still puzzled that I've never heard of Swan Lake (except of course as a ballet). Her burial location in Laurens - of course, I know where that is.



I will definitely look for her in Iowa. I have never been able to find her on the 1920 census, but know the address where she was living in Great Falls, Montana, at that time. (I have a copy of a letter she wrote that has a return address.) Even checked the census by the address, and she's not there. On the 1930 census she is living in Ordway, Brown, South Dakota, with her son Oscar and his family. So she was moving around a bit, but perhaps was back in Iowa. It's worth checking!

NancyB
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NancyB
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Posted - 03/09/2013 :  06:03:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thank you all for taking an interest in this. Obviously you all are better and finding information in Digitalarkivet! :-) I'm amazed at all that was found. My work is cut out for me!

NancyB
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jkmarler
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Posted - 03/09/2013 :  06:14:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here is another one but sort off the wall. Baptism #38 for an Anne Elisabeth b. 28 Feb 1853 father is John Grieg:

Kildeinformasjon: Bergen fylke, Domkirken, Klokkerbok nr. B 3 (1849-1856), Fødte og døpte kvinner 1853, side 178.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8655&idx_id=8655&uid=ny&idx_side=-178

Here she is as Anne Elizabeth Grieg in the 1865 census. Her father is the pastor:

http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=10&filnamn=f61301&gardpostnr=1515&personpostnr=16029&merk=16029#ovre

This candidate is eliminated see Kåre's post below.


Edited by - jkmarler on 03/09/2013 14:04:54
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Kåarto
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Posted - 03/09/2013 :  08:33:15  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I believe Anne Elisabeth Grieg b. 1853 is the same as Elisa Grieg, teacher, in 1885

Kåre

Edited by - Kåarto on 03/09/2013 08:35:35
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Kåarto
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Posted - 03/09/2013 :  13:04:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
A shot in the dark.

Anne Lisabeth Jensdatter (not Johnsdatter) b. on farm Aspaas Feb. 28. 1850 in "Bergstaden" Røros.
Parents; Jens Rasmussen and Anne Lisabeth Mikkelsdatter #39.
She had a brother Peter. Anne Lisabeth 16 with her parents and brother Peter on farm Lillegaden 1865

She was confirmated June 11. 1865. Place of birth; Bergstaden, ca half page down #1

I do not know if she emigrated or what happened to her between 1865 and-75.
She is not on Røros in the 1875 census, her parents still lived there.

Kåre

Edited by - Kåarto on 03/09/2013 13:20:56
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jkmarler
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Posted - 03/09/2013 :  14:06:00  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Well it really wouldn't be a whole lot of looking if you looked at each of the churches in Bergen which have baptismal registers for 1849-1853: I looked only for Betsy born on any date or any B name born on the exact date in Domkirken:

Domkirken
Nykirken
Korskirken
Maria
St. Jorgens Hospital
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JaneC
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Posted - 03/09/2013 :  14:36:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
A heroic effort, all.

The most certain fact about Betsy is her birth day and month, stated in her obituary. Is there any other source of that day and month? (the month would be in the 1900 census if it can be found - also her year of immigration). Her first and middle and last names can all be different in Norway and also could change position (Betsy could be a form of the middle name on a birth record).

Therefore Kåre's lass - Anne Lisabeth Jensdatter b. on farm Aspaas Feb. 28. 1850 in "Bergstaden" Røros - is a strong candidate.

Nancy, I sent you an email. :D

Edited by - JaneC on 03/09/2013 17:51:58
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eibache
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Posted - 03/09/2013 :  15:58:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Anne Lisbeth Jensdatter, Aspaas left for Sweden 1867, recorded in 1871, see #12.

Einar
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Kåarto
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Posted - 03/09/2013 :  16:34:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
A hard nut to crack

Kåre
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jkmarler
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Posted - 03/09/2013 :  17:45:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by eibache

Anne Lisbeth Jensdatter, Aspaas left for Sweden 1867, recorded in 1871, see #12.



Time frame wise it would be interesting to see if Sweden is a "jumping off" point or a cover-up for a trip to America....
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