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DKeighley
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 Posted - 14/01/2014 : 14:37:42
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Good morning!
I am trying to find information about my paternal great grandmother & her family. I have her wedding certificate from Wisconsin in 1899 to my great grandfather, Willard Fisher, which says that here parents were Ole Jorgensen & Onie Pedersen. I believe she was from Sogn, born in Sept 1879. I believe I've found a census record showing her in 1895 in Minnesota working as, what the records call, a 'house girl' (I'd LOVE to know what that means!).
I haven't been able to find any records of when she came here, if she came alone, if she has siblings, etc. I've been digging for nearly 10 years and all my clues turn up dead ends. If you could find any information, I would be so eternally grateful.
Thank you.
Debra (Fisher) Keighley |
Debra Keighley
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 14/01/2014 : 15:27:21
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Worth a try.
Perhaps she was from Sogndal.
A candidate, but her mother was Nilsen (Nilsdatter)??
Parents Ole Jørgensen and Unni Nielsdatter
Kari born on farm Reseland Sept. 4. 1878 in Stedje sub parish, Sogndal municipality, see down page #26
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 14/01/2014 : 15:42:28
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In the 1900 census no immigration year is given in the transcript at familysearch.org.
In the 1930 census transcription an immigration year is given as 1887, meaning aged less than 10, its almost certain that she came with her family.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X9QM-PHR |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 14/01/2014 : 15:48:43
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quote:
Originally posted by Kåarto
Worth a try.
Perhaps she was from Sogndal.
A candidate, but her mother was Nilsen (Nilsdatter)??
Parents Ole Jørgensen and Annie Nielsdatter
Kari born on farm Reseland Sept. 4. 1878 in Stedje sub parish, Sogndal municipality, see down page #26
Kåre
Ole Jørgensen Riseland/Reseland and family em. via Bergen April 1886 as Riseland, children; Kari, Jørgen and Anna link
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DKeighley
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Posted - 14/01/2014 : 15:54:45
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| Yes the 1930 census is her. I believe Sogndal is correct; I've seen that a few times. But her marriage certificate does clearly say Onie Pedersen. I'd never heard or seen the name 'Onie' before and almost assumed it was Annie. But it does seem that Onie was/is a fairly common name. |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 14/01/2014 : 15:56:36
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Here is the migration leaving police list record:
20091 Bergen 556 1886 April 20 Ole Jørgensen Riseland m gift 1858 28 Sogndal Sogndal Husmand Allan Linie
20092 Bergen 557 1886 April 20 Unni Nilsdatter Bjelde f gift 1852 34 Sogndal Sogndal Frgs Hustru Allan Linie
20093 Bergen 558 1886 April 20 Kari Olsdatter Riseland f 1879 7 Sogndal Sogndal frgs Børn Allan Linie
20094 Bergen 559 1886 April 20 Jørgen Olsen Riseland m 1882 4 Sogndal Sogndal frgs Børn Allan Linie
20095 Bergen 560 1886 April 20 Anna Olsdatter Riselund f 1883 3 Sogndal Sogndal frgs Børn Allan Linie
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DKeighley
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Posted - 14/01/2014 : 16:03:29
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| That certainly seems to fit the bill. If she came here quite young and if her parents died soon after arriving, perhaps she didn't know her mothers maiden name and used Pedersen? Is that a possibility? |
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DKeighley
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Posted - 14/01/2014 : 16:09:12
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| Not sure if this helps, but I believe I've seen Ole Jorgensen, the brother, on census records with a middle initial C. And I'm sure it was spelled Kari. Her middle initial is usually recorded as W. |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 14/01/2014 : 16:27:49
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Perhaps mysteri solved.
Unni was born out of wedloc 1852 to "Ungk.) Bachelor Nils Madsen Lerum (Unni Nilsdatter)
I believe her mother was Anne Pedersdatter Bjelle, daughter to Peder Pedersen Bjelle.
Unni married Ole Jørgensen as Unni Nilsdatter Reseland born on Bjelle #8.
She em. as Unni (Pedersdatter??) Bjelde
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DKeighley
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Posted - 14/01/2014 : 16:47:52
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Oh Kare! If you were in front of me I'd kiss you!! That's why I couldn't find anything. Well, that and the fact that I don't speak Norwegian.
Being born out of wedlock in 1952 wasn't something that was talked about; I can't imagine 100 years earlier.
I simply cannot express my gratitude. Thank you, from the depths of my soul. Thank you. |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 14/01/2014 : 17:08:26
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Thanks for the offer 
Unni was born on Bjelle Dec. 1. 1850:
Parents; Anne Pedersdatter Bjelle and Bachelor Niles Madsen.
It was her mothers 1. child born out of wedloc and Nils Madsens 3. child #96
There was a reason she em. as Unni Bjelle.
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DKeighley
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Posted - 14/01/2014 : 17:30:47
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| I've been doing our genealogy for about 10 yrs. My maternal great grandmother was Mormon so much of that digging was done - by hand - in the early to mid 1960s. In fact, I've got that side as far back as the 8th century. But Dad's side - that side I got stuck at Carrie/Kari. I can't wait to get to my computer. iPhones are great, but not for genealogy. |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 14/01/2014 : 18:14:35
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To be 100% sure.
The final evidence.
If someone could find the Rese-/Riseland family in America.
I am not good in searching people in America.
Unni Bjelle also had a half-brother on Bjelle, Ole Johannesen age 7 in 1865
I looks like ca every 10th child in Sogndal was born out of wedloc.
A child born out of wedloc had no legal right to inherit the father or to use his name.
The father had to, acc. to the law, pay for the child.
As always there were exeptions.
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DKeighley
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Posted - 14/01/2014 : 18:28:14
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| I will check when I get to a proper computer. It certainly points that way, but I will definitely see what I can find & report back. |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 14/01/2014 : 20:07:54
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You nailed it Kåre! 
DKeighley's Carrie married in Dane County, Wisconsin.
Kari Olsdatter (used father's patronymic of Jørgensen in USA) had a brother Jørgen, and "Jørgen" often becomes "George" in the USA.
Searching for George Jorgensen, here comes George Jorgensen (1881-1960) buried Riverside Cemetery, Stoughton, Dane, Wisconsin, USA:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=43923557
The family together, Find-a-Grave image:
http://image1.findagrave.com/photos/2009/307/43923557_125738697080.jpg
The headstone on the link above is inscribed "Jorgensen" on the front and the back reads as follows:
Ole 1858-1891
Una 1852-1914
Peter 1873-1907(?)
George 1881-1960
Anna Bjelde 1824-1909
Unni's mother was Anne Pedersdatter Bjelle.
Compare to the family departing Norway 1886:
Ole Jørgensen Riseland b 1858
Unni Nilsdatter Bjelde b 1852
Kari Olsdatter Riseland b 1879
Jørgen Olsen Riseland 1882
Anna Olsdatter Riselund b 1883 |
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DKeighley
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Posted - 14/01/2014 : 20:14:41
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I'm sitting here at my computer in tears, looking at that headstone.
After 10 years of digging, I never thought I would find Carrie. Not only have you helped me find her, but you've helped me find her whole family.
This opens up a whole branch of our family tree that I never thought I would find without a translator and a trip to Norway. I just cannot thank you enough.
Definitely going to get a donation from me, that's for sure!!! |
Debra Keighley
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Carrie Jorgensen, Sept 1879, Sogn
