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lornejohnson
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Posted - 14/06/2015 :  01:15:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by lornejohnson

For instance in your ancestor's Halvor Johanneson's baptism there are a Bergit Lie and a Gunnild Voldene who are they?


I have no idea who they are ....the names are not familiar.



The Johannes Halvorson b. 1787 had two sisters listed in the 1801 census a Birgit and a Gunnild, perhaps Bergit Lie and Gunnild Voldene are the sisters. That is why you should look at the names of all the faddernes --the godparents of each of the baptisms--to reveal possible relatives.



Thanks Jackie, good clue. I'll check this out.

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lornejohnson
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Posted - 16/06/2015 :  01:50:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20061208060547.jpg

translation please --looks like marriage of Bergit Halvorsdat. to Knud ??...possibly Lie ....page 405, #4, right hand page 1823, January 17. Bergit at 29 years old collaborates with her age ...born 1794.
This could be helpful in showing that Halvor Jorgensen is Johannes Halvorsen's father ....as one of the God parents for Johannes Halvorsen's son Halvor was a Bergit Lie.

Comments please.

Also possibly 38 year old brother Jorgen Halvorsen just below her??

Lorne Johnson

Edited by - lornejohnson on 16/06/2015 01:58:23
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jkmarler
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Posted - 16/06/2015 :  02:49:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yeah! Excellent finding!! You get a gold star!!!

I think Knut's patronymic is Jensen or possibly Jonsen. Jorgen Lia (no patronymic) is one of the bondsmen for this marriage. Could be the same guy marrying below in 6 but just not sure. So keep in mind.

The #6 marriage styles Jorgen Halvorsen Lia as enkmd for enkemand / widower. Jorgen Halvorson Rodklev, the likeliest brother of target Johannes was married at least once before, so this is a good circumstantial piece of evidence that he is of the Rodklev bunch.

Here are the 2 Jorgen Halvorson born 178* in the 1801 census in Bo. So unless other Jorgen Halvorsons moves into Bo it should be relatively easy to ascertain that the groom in #6 is part of the Rodklev family.
Jørgen Halvorsen 1785* Ugivt Bøe: Sønstebøe Folketelling 1801 for 0821P Bø prestegjeld
Jørgen Halvorsen 1785* Tienestedreng Ugivt Bøe: Østerlie Midgaarden Folketelling 1801 for 0821P Bø prestegjeld

Continue to look for children from either marriage and check out the faddernes for your Johannes. Often couples are included in faddernes and often a not formally engaged couple might serve as faddernes.
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lornejohnson
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Posted - 16/06/2015 :  03:12:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20061208060548.jpg

Line 10 on this page could be sister Gunild Halversdatter ...again the age is right....nut no name "Voldene" ....Could that be a farm name? ....something there that could be the letter 'V' by the guys name ??

Lorne Johnson
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jkmarler
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Posted - 16/06/2015 :  03:19:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It's not an V it is an S so he is a Soldat or in English Soldier.
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lornejohnson
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Posted - 16/06/2015 :  03:39:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
So Jackie, do you think Voldene is a farm name? ...not a typical patronymic name.

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jkmarler
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Posted - 16/06/2015 :  04:20:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Exactly. Perhaps the pastor didn't record the patronymic for space reasons or that he thought it was obvious who the godparents or the parties were.

Here is a Vold* farm in Bø from 1910.
Volden (gaard) under 28 Bø Nedre Telemark Telemark Folketelling 1910 for 0821 Bø herred
Volden (gaard) 28 11 Bø Nedre Telemark Telemark Folketelling 1910 for 0821 Bø herred

Names of farms change spelling or whole entire names depending on who owns and how the properties are organized. Some farms go empty ---øde-- because they are marginal or the people have all died (like in the Plague) and lose their identities by being gobbled up by other farms.
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lornejohnson
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Posted - 16/06/2015 :  04:58:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
So in the case of Gunild Halvorsdat marriage to Torgus Tollersen ( please verify I have this name right)....I could research that family for a farm Vold? Is this a worthwhile search ....or just stick to looking at the Godparents of Johannes Halvorsen children and compare to Halvor Jorgensen's children's Godparents. Have I got this right?

I don't mind pouring through the parish records and I really appreciate some direction from you. You've been most helpful.

Lorne Johnson
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jkmarler
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Posted - 16/06/2015 :  05:42:17  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I think its Tollevsen.

Well you have a dilemma if this is the correct Gunhild then the possible death of the Gunnild posted earlier means she can't be related and vice versa.

If this were my search I'd be harvesting, harvesting , harvesting and then later sit down and compare all the possibles and analyze. Really too soon to draw many conclusions. It will be the weight of the evidence that will help you make decisions about who is in and who is out.
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lornejohnson
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Posted - 17/06/2015 :  20:59:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Just to complicate the matter ...here is another marriage announcement for a Gunild Halvorsdat 1821, age 24. line 7, page 400...is it a Jorgensen as a witness ?

http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20061208060545.jpg

Lorne Johnson

Edited by - lornejohnson on 17/06/2015 21:02:30
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jkmarler
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Posted - 17/06/2015 :  23:43:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here are the females with names Gun* Hal* residing in Boe in 1801:
Gunild Halvorsdatter 1758* Hans kone Begge i 1ste ægteskab Bøe: Tveten k Folketelling 1801 for 0821P Bø prestegjeld
Gunild Halvorsdatter 1768* Hans kone Begge i 1ste ægteskab Bøe: Tveten k Folketelling 1801 for 0821P Bø prestegjeld
Gunild Halvorsdatter 1761* Hans kone Givt 1ste gang Bøe: Jønneberg k Folketelling 1801 for 0821P Bø prestegjeld
Gunild Halvorsdatter 1779* Deres børn Bøe: Erichsteen Midgaarden k Folketelling 1801 for 0821P Bø prestegjeld
Gunild Halvorsdatter 1734* Hans kone Begge i 1ste ægteskab Bøe: Wrem Nordre k Folketelling 1801 for 0821P Bø prestegjeld
Gunild Halvorsdatter 1759* Hans kone Begge i 1ste ægteskab Bøe: Otterholt Søndre k Folketelling 1801 for 0821P Bø prestegjeld
Gunild Halvorsdatter 1796* Deres børn Bøe: Østerlie Midgaarden k Folketelling 1801 for 0821P Bø prestegjeld
Gunild Halvorsdatter 1790* Hendes børn Bøe: Solberg eller Opdal k Folketelling 1801 for 0821P Bø prestegjeld
Gunild Halvorsdatter 1792* Deres børn Bøe: Eikenrud k Folketelling 1801 for 0821P Bø prestegjeld
Gunild Halvorsdatter 1730* Mandens moder Enke efter 2det ægteskab Nyder almisse af sognet Bøe: Vintermyren k Folketelling 1801 for 0821P Bø prestegjeld
Gunild Halvorsdatter 1745* Hans kone Begge i 1ste ægteskab Bøe: Hægna k Folketelling 1801 for 0821P Bø prestegjeld
Gunild Halvorsdatter 1787* Hendes børn Bøe: Svendsøe k Folketelling 1801 for 0821P Bø prestegjeld
Gunild Halvorsdatter 1800* Deres datter Bøe: Huustoften k Folketelling 1801 for 0821P Bø prestegjeld
Gunild Halvorsdatter 1795* Deres børn Bøe: Tempelen k Folketelling 1801 for 0821P Bø prestegjeld
Gunild Halvorsdatter 1769* Hans kone Begge i 1ste ægteskab Bøe: Godtid k Folketelling 1801 for 0821P Bø prestegjeld
Gunild Halvorsdatter 1799* Deres børn Bøe: Løvodden k Folketelling 1801 for 0821P Bø prestegjeld

And, of course, there could be Gun* Hal* moving into Boe. Altogether there are more Gunnilds than there were Jorgens and Johannes.

Not Jorgenson to me but Jorgedal:
Jørgedal 40a Bø Lunde Ytre Flåbygd Bø Telemark Folketelling 1865 for 0821P Bø prestegjeld
Jørgedal 40b Bø Lunde Ytre Flåbygd Bø Telemark Folketelling 1865 for 0821P Bø prestegjeld
Jørgedal 14 1 Bø Nedre Telemark Telemark Folketelling 1910 for 0821 Bø herred
Jørgedal 14 2 Bø Nedre Telemark Telemark Folketelling 1910 for 0821 Bø herred
Jørgedal 14 1 Bø Nedre Telemark Telemark Folketelling 1900 for 0821 Bø herred
Jørgedal 14 2 Bø Nedre Telemark Telemark Folketelling 1900 for 0821 Bø herred


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Edited by - jkmarler on 17/06/2015 23:47:07
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lornejohnson
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Posted - 18/06/2015 :  00:38:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20051011061117.jpg

Here is an interesting twist: Birth announcement of a Halvor Nirisen .....mother Gunild Halvorsdat. Date Sept 14,1821


And here is the wedding announcement Date December 28, 1821...3 months after the birth of their child. Birth out of wedlock ??

http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20051011061292.jpg

As I scroll through the Bo parish records for this period of time I'm finding many Gunild Halvorsdat. ...as you have pointed out here too Jackie.

Lorne Johnson

Edited by - lornejohnson on 18/06/2015 00:47:17
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lornejohnson
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Posted - 18/06/2015 :  20:13:56  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20051011050279.jpg

Liking this Gunild Halvorsdatter married to Halvor Olsen 1831, age is spot on and farm name looks like Rodklev

Comments and translation please ...looks like Halvor Jorgensen as a witness

Lorne Johnson

Edited by - lornejohnson on 18/06/2015 20:32:25
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lornejohnson
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Posted - 18/06/2015 :  21:02:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20051011050013.jpg

Translation here please ----daughter of Halvor Olsen and Gunild ??? Vollene?

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jkmarler
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Posted - 18/06/2015 :  23:52:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Gunnild's patronymic is Stenersdatter.
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