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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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 Posted - 07/12/2014 : 19:55:10
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Originally posted by jkmarler
This Christian's father is noted as Søren Christian Nielsen Berg, son of Niels Endressen Rogstad and b. abt 1786? m. Lucie on 31 Oct 1818, died in Sandsvær on 5 Sept 1840.[/b]
The father had no ability to travel with his family to North America.... |
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rosscampbell
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Posted - 08/12/2014 : 05:43:51
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Thanks jkmarler and my apologies to MarkLay for suggesting that the father, Søren Christian Nielsen Berg, who died in 1840, might have been aboard the Tricolor in 1844. I mistakenly associated the 1840 death date with Søren's father. I'll try to be more careful.
Do you know if Søren Christian Nielsen Berg was a ship captain? Regardless of my mistaken suggestion that Søren might have been aboard the Tricolor, Søren still may be the ship captain of family lore. |
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jkmarler
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 10/12/2014 : 15:55:18
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Lucie Marie Halvorsdatter was bapt. "Sexegesima" (Sunday before Carnival) Feb. 21. 1802 in Hedenstad church, right page line 12 from top link
Hedenstad church from 1100
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Edited by - Kåarto on 10/12/2014 15:56:13 |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 10/12/2014 : 16:12:41
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Originally posted by rosscampbell
Do you know if Søren Christian Nielsen Berg was a ship captain? Regardless of my mistaken suggestion that Søren might have been aboard the Tricolor, Søren still may be the ship captain of family lore.
Søren Nilsen was not a ship captain, but a farmer.
His father Nils Endresen Rogstad is supposed to be born in Luster ca 1751.
Luster is at the end of Sognefjord
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 10/12/2014 : 18:02:09
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| rosscampbell, did your Jennie ever live in North Hudson, St Croix, Wisconsin? Was she born in Milwaukee or Waukesha area in Wisconsin? Those are the areas cited by jkmarler for the Niels Bergh family currently under investigation. hat more can you tell about her, her husband, her children? What more do you know of her parents? Her siblings? The forum needs to know more about her to help you connect the dots. |
Edited by - JaneC on 10/12/2014 18:30:24 |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 10/12/2014 : 19:57:36
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Below, this is probably the Nels who is son of Søren Christian Nielsen Berg and first came to the USA on the Tricolor.
1860 US Census
(Post Office Mapleton) Merton, Waukesha, Wisconsin
Nels Sorenson 37 born 1823 Norway, farmer
Mary Sorenson 35 born about 1825 Norway
Christian Sorenson 11 born about 1849 Wisconsin
Chas Sorenson 9
Lena Sorenson 6 ( = Annette Caroline)
Albert Sorenson 3
Jane Sorenson 3/12 (looks a lot like Jane but could be Jeni)
Jacob Sorenson 3/12
Sers Johnson 23 male (looks like Lars in original handwriting), farm laborer
Unclear if the following Jennie is married to Charles.
No indication the following is same Charles and Jennie as above.
1880
North Hudson, St Croix, Wisconsin
John C. Fistcher 50
Olena Fistcher wife 45, born Norway
Elizabeth Berg, stepdaughter, 24, single, dressmaker
Rosabelle Buchea, stepdaughter, 17, married
Charles S Berg 29, boarder, laborer, consump (in the illness column), married, born WI, parents b Norway
Albert N Berg 4
Walter E Berg 2
Franklin C Berg 10 months, born in July
Jennie S Berg 20, boarder, seamstress, no marriage info, b WI, parents b Norway
Find-a-Grave memorial for Charles S Bergh, 1851-1884
burial Willow River Cemetery, Hudson, St Croix, Wisconsin
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Edited by - JaneC on 10/12/2014 20:23:44 |
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rosscampbell
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Posted - 11/12/2014 : 05:21:56
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JaneC, I do think the Charles and Jennie are the same people in 1860 and 1880.
Thank you for the link to Charles S. Bergh's grave marker on findagrave.com. Charles died in St. Paul and I did not know that he was buried in Hudson, Wisconsin. I know that Charles S. Bergh and Elizabeth Bouchea were married 31 December 1874 in Hudson, Wisconsin, and were living there in 1875. The Jennie S. Berg that you list in the 1880 census is the sister of Charles S. Bergh and is my great grandmother. I suspect that she was living with her brother to help care for him. Jennie married Anson Thomas Pope on 8 March 1883 in St. Paul, Minnesota, where I believe her brother Charles S. Bergh was living at the time. It is my suspicion that Jennie got married in St. Paul so that her brother Charles could attend. Her brother Charles was probably too sick to travel to Janesville, Wisconsin. He died the year after Jennie's marriage.
The last name "Fistcher" is actually Fischer. Olena Fischer was Elizabeth Bouchea's mother. John Fischer was Olena's second (I think) husband .
Much of the following comes from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hudson,_Wisconsin.
Elizabeth Bouchea's father, Peter Bouchea, was one of the four founders of Hudson, Wisconsin, in St. Croix County. Peter Bouchea was the brother-in-law of Louis Massey. The two of them settled in Hudson in the summer of 1840. It was not called Hudson at the time. Massey and Bouchea settled at the mouth of the Willow River, near the present-day First and St. Croix Streets. They had been part of the group who lived for some time along the river below Fort Snelling, which appears on some old maps as "Massey's Landing". |
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rosscampbell
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Posted - 11/12/2014 : 06:02:50
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jkmarler and Kåarto, thank you for the great links! Until I found this site, I knew nothing about Jennie S. Bergh's parents except that they were Nels Bergh and Gerta Maria Lunde and were both born in Norway.
Is there any record (other than the Gerhard Naeseth book) of the marriage of Niels Sorensen Berg and Greta Marie Jacobsdatter Dahl (or Gerta Maria Lunde according to some records on the U.S. side)? |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7765 Posts |
Posted - 11/12/2014 : 12:42:03
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All of the existing parish registers (records of pastoral acts birth/baptism, confirmation, marriage, and funerals) which contain the "vital records" for Norway are mounted online and are browseable by any with an internet computer. Of course the original records are mostly handwritten and in Norwegian but are generally easy to read (some variations in hand writing and use of language do occur).
Here is the page on which their marriage appears. There is a ton of genealogical information in the record if you look through the listings. Most interesting is Nils' occupation along with a number of other facts....
Source information: Buskerud county, Sandsvær, Parish register (official) nr. 5 (1840-1856), Marriage records 1848, page 446-447.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=1126&idx_id=1126&uid=ny&idx_side=-229 |
Edited by - jkmarler on 11/12/2014 13:02:46 |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 11/12/2014 : 14:11:35
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The complete Family tree back to ca 1615 for Ingeborg Marie Halvorsdatter Hotvedt link
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Edited by - Kåarto on 11/12/2014 14:12:21 |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 11/12/2014 : 17:37:06
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Originally posted by rosscampbell
jkmarler and Kåarto, thank you for the great links! Until I found this site, I knew nothing about Jennie S. Bergh's parents except that they were Nels Bergh and Gerta Maria Lunde and were both born in Norway.
Is there any record (other than the Gerhard Naeseth book) of the marriage of Niels Sorensen Berg and Greta Marie Jacobsdatter Dahl (or Gerta Maria Lunde according to some records on the U.S. side)?
Wondering what records on the US side say that Gerta Maria Lunde = Greta Marie Jacobsdatter Dahl?
Another question: have you concluded that Jennie's parentage is now established? Is the forum in consensus about that?
Maybe I'm missing something.
The connection seems likely, but...
Find-a-Grave
Mary Bergh (no dates)
Burial: Oak Hill Cemetery, Janesville, Rock, Wisconsin
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Find-a-Grave
Jennie Bergh Pope
Birth: Apr. 1860 in Oconomowoc, Waukesha, Wisconsin, USA
Death: Sep. 30, 1928 in Janesville, Rock, Wisconsin, USA
Burial: Oak Hill Cemetery, Janesville, Rock, Wisconsin
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1900
Janesville, Rock, Wisconsin
Anson T Pope 46
Jennie Pope 40 b April 1860 Wisconsin, married 1883, 6 children all living
Virgil Pope 16
Lizzie B Pope 14
Charles A Pope 11
Mary G Pope 8
Elsie M Pope 4
Olive E Pope 2
WISCONSIN MARRIAGE INDEX RECORD
Bergh, Charles S.
Bouchea, Elizabeth
Date: 1874-12-31
County: St. Croix
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Edited by - JaneC on 11/12/2014 17:59:57 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 11/12/2014 : 17:54:01
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| Yes it would be of interest to know how the family remembered Greta in US. Otherwise the marriage record in Norway explains at least 2 of her names. |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 11/12/2014 : 18:13:49
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Here's that marriage record - see #10.
Buskerud fylke, Sandsvær, Klokkerbok nr. I 4 (1840-1856), Ekteviede 1848, side 223.
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7765 Posts |
Posted - 11/12/2014 : 18:20:24
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| The link to the marriage was already posted without the # . I thought maybe Ross would take a look for it for a bit of experience....and joy at finding? |
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Christianii S. Bergh / C S Bergh (Captain)
