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jkmarler
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ToreL
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 Posted - 17/12/2020 : 19:42:07
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I wonder if this could be Beret and her brother Iver plus parents and one more sibling at the 1865 census:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/rural-residence/bf01038055003366
The farm name is Morken, not Moen, but browsing two farms ahead you get to Moen.
Brit/Beret's age is some years off, and no trace of Oline. Do you know approx. when she was born?
There is a very new bygdebook for Dovre, just a few years old, too new to be available (for Norwegians) online, but I might check at a library later. |
Edited by - ToreL on 17/12/2020 19:45:48 |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 17/12/2020 : 19:46:42
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Well there's obviously a difference between Oline and Berit. Berit's patronymic is Iver and Oline's patronymic Is John, this information is drawn from their marriage records.
Here is an Iver Iversen marrying 1849 in Lesja Dovre:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/327/pv00000009491513 |
Edited by - jkmarler on 17/12/2020 19:56:14 |
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ToreL
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ToreL
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Posted - 17/12/2020 : 19:59:38
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Originally posted by jkmarler
Berit's patronymic is Iver and Oline's patronymic Is John, this information is drawn from their marriage records.
But Steven states that they were sisters. And note that the father's name was "John Iversen", so one sister may have used "her own" patronymic and the other sister her father's. As you know this (latter) practice was very common among immigarnts.
On the other hand, John and Iver Iversen lived on neightboring farms ay Dovre; North and South Morken, aged two years apart and possibly brothers. And Iver also had a daughter named Brit, with a birth year exactly matching the US census data. So possibly the Oline and Beret who came to America were first cousins rather than sisters?
Also, the younger Brit had a brother named Hans.
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/rural-residence/bf01038055003374 |
Edited by - ToreL on 17/12/2020 20:20:55 |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 17/12/2020 : 20:06:47
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Here are Betsy Johnson's dates from the North Dakota Death Index we could check in Dovre to see who her parents were and not rely on the information in her marriage record.
JOHNSON, BETSY 12/07/1918 Cass FEMALE 71 Years 01/13/1847 North Dakota Cass Not the correct one.
The correct one:
JOHNSON, BERET 08/11/1944 Cass FEMALE 88 Years 07/03/1856 North Dakota Cass
#46 Britha b 3 July 1856 to Iver Iversen Moen and Marith Ols
SAH, Lesja prestekontor, Parish register (copy) no. 3, 1842-1862, p. 96-97
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070129650410
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ToreL
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Posted - 17/12/2020 : 20:24:50
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quote:
Originally posted by jkmarler
Here are Betsy Johnson's dates from the North Dakota Death Index we could check in Dovre to see who her parents were and not rely on the information in her marriage record.
JOHNSON, BETSY 12/07/1918 Cass FEMALE 71 Years 01/13/1847 North Dakota Cass Not the correct one.
The correct one:
JOHNSON, BERET 08/11/1944 Cass FEMALE 88 Years 07/03/1856 North Dakota Cass
Father IVER IVERSEN. (#74)
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/8910/24 |
Edited by - ToreL on 17/12/2020 20:25:33 |
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jkmarler
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ToreL
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Posted - 17/12/2020 : 20:39:35
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| Brit Iversdatter Morken (#10), born 1856, left Dovre (for Dakota??) in 1882. |
Edited by - ToreL on 17/12/2020 20:42:19 |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 17/12/2020 : 20:51:42
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Originally posted by ToreL
Brit Iversdatter Morken (#10), born 1856, left Dovre (for Dakota??) in 1882.
#18 Iver Johnsen Morken also left in 1882 ? or 1883
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StevenDopp
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Posted - 17/12/2020 : 21:37:36
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Thank you for all of your work! This is going to take me some time to digest. There was a farm in North Dakota adjacent to the Claus Johnson farm which was owned by a Hans Moen. I assume the Hans Moen with the North Dakota farm is the same Hans you have identified. Your research suggests he may have been a brother to one and a cousin to the other, although I am confused as to which of the two girls was the sister and which was the cousin of Hans.
Wonderful work. It helps to answer several questions I had. I never thought of looking in the Minnesota census for Claus. I assumed he had just moved immediately from Norway to North Dakota. Looks like he lived in Goodhue County for a few years.
Also, Jmarler, the Claus Johnson family tree you identified on Familysearch.org is the one I have been putting together. |
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ToreL
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Posted - 17/12/2020 : 21:58:23
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My hunch that the neighbours Iver Iversen Morken and John Iversen Morken might be brothers, looks stronger after the finding of these baptisms:
BAPTISM OF IVER 1819
Name:
Iver
Event Type:
Christening
Event Date:
11 Jul 1819
Event Place:
Lesja, Oppland, Norway
Event Place (Original):
Lesja, Opland, Norway
Gender:
Male
Birth Date:
25 Jun 1819
Father's Name:
Iver Mortensen
Mother's Name:
Brigit Iversdr
BAPTISM OF JOHN 1822
Name:
John
Event Type:
Christening
Event Date:
28 Apr 1822
Event Place:
Lesja, Oppland, Norway
Event Place (Original):
Lesja, Opland, Norway
Gender:
Male
Birth Date:
11 Apr 1822
Father's Name:
Iver Mortensen
Mother's Name:
Brigit Iversdr
Also note that Iver Mortensen is living with John Iversen and his family in 1865. |
Edited by - ToreL on 17/12/2020 22:04:52 |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 18/12/2020 : 00:52:45
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I think you're right.
Here is a Berit Moen leaving in 1882:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/8/pe00000000074369
Berit's mom also came to US, she lives with Claus and Berit in 1910 census:
Name: Burt Johnson [Bent Johnson] [Burt Moen]
Age in 1910: 54
Birth Year: abt 1856
Birthplace: Norway
Home in 1910: Raymond, Cass, North Dakota
Race: White
Gender: Female
Immigration Year: 1882
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Claus A Johnson
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Name: Mary Moen
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Native Tongue: English
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Years Married: 27
Number of Children Born: 3
Number of Children Living: 3
Neighbors:
Household Members Age Relationship
Mary Moen 85 Mother-in-law
Claus A Johnson 58 Head
Burt Johnson 54 Wife
Oscar Johnson 28 Son
Jacob Stensland 25 Hired Man
Nettie Johnson 24 Daughter
Alice Rustad 11 Roomer
Looks like she came as a widow in 1886:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/8/pe00000000997717
There are three Marit Moen in the ND Public Death Index, guessing it the one in Cass county:
MOEN, MARIT 08/15/1919 Richland FEMALE 92 Years 99/99/9999 North Dakota Richland
MOEN, MARIT 07/12/1915 Cass FEMALE 91 Years 99/99/9999 North Dakota Cass
MOEN, MARIT 04/17/1918 Traill FEMALE 83 Years 02/02/1835 North Dakota Traill
Marit's obituary was in the Fargo forum and daily republican
Wednesday, Jul 14, 1915 Fargo, ND Page 6 col 2:
"...They left this morning for Harwood where Rev [J.M.O] Ness will officiate in the funeral services of Mrs. Marit Moen, who died at the home of her daughter Mrs. Klaus Johnson, residing 12 miles north of Fargo at 9 o'clock Monday evening. The services will be held from the Klaus Johnson farm home this afternoon and interment will be made in the Harwood Maple river cemetery."
The Zion Lutheran church also records Marit's death and funeral:
Marit born 12 April 1824 and died 12 July 1915 and funeral 15 July 1915. |
Edited by - jkmarler on 18/12/2020 01:25:18 |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 18/12/2020 : 01:34:47
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| Hans Moen who married Augusta is a full brother of Beret Moen. |
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StevenDopp
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