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SandraSeverson
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 Posted - 22/03/2015 : 15:24:35
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| i am trying to find the birth of Johanne Ole Selseng. The information that I have seen is that he is the son of Ole Pedersen Selseng and Ragnild Tostendatter Alme. Supposedly he was born in Sogndal 1 Jan 1836. I can't find anything in the archives to support this. The information I saw came from other family trees. I look at this but try to find the actual records. I believe Ole and Ragnild came to America in 1844 but the emigration records seem to be a bit confusing. They came with several children but I don't think Johanne was one of them. In 1844 he would have been quite youg. I think the vessel was the Ørnen. If anyone can take a look at this, I would greatly appreciate it. Thank you. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 22/03/2015 : 16:06:51
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Gerhard Næseth's Norwegian Immigrants to United States, Volume 2 1844-1846 lists these children of the couple Ole Pederson Solseng and Ragnhild Tostensdatter Alme:
Martha b. 10 Feb 1832--1913*
Peder b. 11 July 1834-1911*
Ragnhild b.4 June 1836 -1901*
Tosten b. 27 Oct 1838-1840
Christi b. 10 May 1841-1919*
Kari b. 2 Jan 1844 d. 1844 (died during crossing)*
Karen b.20 Sept 1845-1847?
Karen Kirstine b. 15 May 1848 -1933
Tosten b.30 Sept 1850-1857
Andreas Edward b. 12 June 1854 -1878
*children who came with parents on Ørnen
Ole also had a child with another woman Kari Nielsdatter named Peder b. 18 Mar 1827 who is noted as never having come to US
If these records are true then it would be extremely difficult for there to be a Johannes b. Jan 1836 when there is another child Ragnhild b in June that same year.
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 22/03/2015 : 19:56:41
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Sounds like somebody grabbed some parents for Johannes without documentation and others simply copied. Where and when does this Johannes appear in public records and/or private records or stories?
Never mind - got him:
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:a31695&id=I0020
One Ancestry family tree has Johannes Pedersen Selsing (Valaker) b 1838 Norway d Waushara county, Wisconsin. Can't see enough to tell if same man.
Or try this tree, for John Sr. (Johan) Pedersen (Voliiker) Selsing born 06 March 1838 in Norway. Right guy?
http://portagecountywifamily.com/getperson.php?personID=I189966&tree=pcfamilies
Find a Grave memorial, John P. Selsing (1836-1919)
Burial Holden Lutheran Church cemetery, Mt Morris, Waushara, Wisconsin
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=selsing&GSbyrel=all&GSdyrel=all&GSst=51&GScntry=4&GSob=n&GRid=113567951&df=all&
Does the tombstone say Selsing? Hard to read. 
Ole Pedersen Selseng b 1808 and wife Ragnhild are buried same cemetery as the above John.
1850 US Census
Christiania, Dane, Wisconsin
Ole Pedersen 42 (note calls him Ole Pedersen Selseng imm 1844)
Ragnell Pedersen 19
Mary Pedersen 19
Chastie Pedersen 10
Karn Pedersen 4
Didn't find John in 1850
Link:
http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=US1850
A candidate, below:
1860 US census
Wautoma, Waushara, Wisconsin
John Peterson 25
Sophia Peterson 24
Peter Peterson 4
Sarah Peterson 4 months
...next to...
Christian Peterson 35
Susan Peterson 30
Sarah Peterson age 1
...next to...
Lewis Adams 24
Mary Adams 26 ------- the Mary who married the John Peterson in question
Anna Adams 2
http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=26&filnamn=ft21001860&gardpostnr=49339#nedre
1880 US census
Wautoma, Waushara, Wisconsin
John Selsing 49
Mary Selsing 49
Margaret Selsing 13
Louisa Selsing 11
Peter Selsing 9
Lina Selsing 6
John Selsing 5
A M Selsing 2, female
...next to...
C Peterson 57
Susan Peterson 47
Ole 15, Celia 13, Charlie 10, Amos 6
Link:
http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=58&filnamn=ft21001880wisc&gardpostnr=96119&merk=96119#ovre
1900 US Census
Wautoma, Waushara, Wisconsin
John P Selsing 60 widowed, b abt 1840* Norway, to USA 1858, Alien
John N Selsing 24 b Nov 1876 Wisconsin
Hannah M Selsing 22 b Nov 1877 Wisconsin
*NOTE says John's birth month and year unknown
....living next to....
Christian Peterson 77 b Feb 1823 Norway, US citizen
Susan Peterson 68 b Jan 1832 Norway
Ola Peterson 34 b July 1865 Wisconsin
Amos Peterson 26 b Apr 1874 Wisconsin
1910
Wautoma, Waushara, Wisconsin
John P Selsing 74, to USA 1866
....living next to....
Amos Peterson and wife Bertha (and a stepdaughter)
....on a separate census page....
John N Selsing
...living next to....Ola Peterson and mother Susan |
Edited by - JaneC on 23/03/2015 23:03:08 |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 23/03/2015 : 00:16:12
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The small village Selseng in Sogndal is left of the freshwaterlake Dalavatnet link
Selseng; Sels- means pasture houses and -eng means arable land
Kåre |
Edited by - Kåarto on 23/03/2015 00:17:02 |
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SandraSeverson
Senior member
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267 Posts |
Posted - 23/03/2015 : 00:38:20
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I have a feeling that Johnne Ole Selseng is not a child of Ole and Ragnild. In the trees that he is in, people cite other trees for their source. I think that somewhere the information was just copied without anyone finding the actual birth record in the archives. As I couldn't find one and it doesn't appear he emigrated to America, I think until I find the records I will just keep some notes in my notebook.
What a beautiful picture. Thank you.
Thanks to all of you for looking into this for me. |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 23/03/2015 : 20:20:25
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Ole Pedersen, Selseng and Ragnild Tostendatter with 5 children moved out of Sogndal in 1844, see #14-20.
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 23/03/2015 : 23:08:28
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I agree Sandra, Johannes seems likely to be from a different family.
A family tree on Ancestry.com (called mom2) says his parents are Peder Nilssen Valaker (who supposedly immigrated and lived in Silver Lake, Worth, Iowa in 1880) and wife Marte Larsdatter - and says Johannes was born 06 March 1838 in Hafslo. Here's a link to the cited record: 06 March 1838
Source: Sogn og Fjordane fylke, Hafslo, Ministerialbok nr. A 5 (1834-1852), Fødte og døpte 1838, side 26.
This tree alone (among several who list this Johannes) does not pick up the Sogndal parents (Ole and Ragnhild) as parents for Johannes.
More research would be needed to connect the dots; no citations or evidence in the mom2 tree are provided.
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SandraSeverson
Senior member
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Posted - 23/03/2015 : 23:55:38
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Einar - I thought that was the emigration record but it seemed a bit confusing.
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 24/03/2015 : 09:00:16
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The records in the parish registers show where they were moving, in the case of Ole and Ragnild it says "til Amerika" - other records may show destinations within Norway. The date was April 1. 1844.
If you like to call this emigration records, it's all up to you.
The children were Martha, Peder, Ragnild, Christi and Kari.
Ørnen left Bergen May 22 1844, headed by Capt. Groth.
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Edited by - eibache on 24/03/2015 09:07:08 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 24/03/2015 : 13:32:04
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Originally posted by JaneC
I agree Sandra, Johannes seems likely to be from a different family.
A family tree on Ancestry.com (called mom2) says his parents are Peder Nilssen Valaker (who supposedly immigrated and lived in Silver Lake, Worth, Iowa in 1880) and wife Marte Larsdatter - and says Johannes was born 06 March 1838 in Hafslo. Here's a link to the cited record: 06 March 1838
Source: Sogn og Fjordane fylke, Hafslo, Ministerialbok nr. A 5 (1834-1852), Fødte og døpte 1838, side 26.
On the page of this link there are four babies marked with an "X". I wonder what was being counted? |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 25/03/2015 : 22:00:28
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Some further data from Ancestry's list of Norwegian Baptism Records.
The list of children born to Ole and Ragnhild.
View Record
Martha Olsen
10 feb 1832 12 feb 1832 Sogndal,Sogn Og Fjordane,Norway Ole,
Ragnilde
View Record
Peder Olsen
11 jul 1834 13 jul 1834 Sogndal,Sogn Og Fjordane,Norway Ole,
Ragnilde
View Record
Ragnilde Olsen
4 jun 1836 5 jun 1836 Sogndal,Sogn Og Fjordane,Norway Ole,
Ragnilde
View Record
Tosten Olsen
27 okt 1838 (27 Oct 1838) 1 nov 1838 Sogndal,Sogn Og Fjordane,Norway Ole,
Ragnilde
View Record
Christie Olsen
10 mai 1841 (10 May 1841) 30 mai 1841 (30 May 1841) Sogndal,Sogn Og Fjordane,Norway Ole,
Ragnild
View Record
Kari Olsen
2 jan 1844 7 jan 1844 Sogndal,Sogn Og Fjordane,Norway Ole,
Ragnhild |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 25/03/2015 : 22:03:18
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The Ancestry.com record referenced earlier by JaneC
Johannes Pedersen in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Johannes Pedersen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 6 mar 1838
Baptism Date: 11 mar 1838
Baptism Place: Hafslo,Sogn Og Fjordane,Norway
Father: Peder Nielsen
Mother: Martha Larsdr |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 26/03/2015 : 03:40:07
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| Would be interesting to figure out who is John Peterson Selsing - if the Johannes in Hafslo did indeed immigrate and live in Mount Morris/Wautoma, Waushara, Wisconsin. Perhaps his death record or marriage record or family stories made the link for mom2 (if she's correct). Ancestry.com database of land maps show John Selsing on a tract beside a lake southwest of Mount Morris (I didn't note the date). Adjacent is a tract owned by the "Selsing Brothers." In the vicinity are Tosten Selsing, Peter Selsing, and M Selsing. (May not be complete list.) Assigning John to Ole-Ragnhild was obviously tempting indeed. Kind of an odd coincidence since -or if - he's not theirs. I haven't looked further... |
Edited by - JaneC on 26/03/2015 03:45:07 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 26/03/2015 : 04:23:04
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Here is a marriage of a John Selsing and a Mary in which his parents are named as Peter and Martha Selsing at Mount Morris:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XR2W-CR9
The previously mentioned story about Ole Pederson Selsing in Naeseth's directory mentions Ole's parents as Peder Iversen Heggestad and Martha Arnesdatter Selsing. Perhaps John is a younger brother (although the year gap in births is large: 1808 for Ole and 1831-1836-1838 for John)?
Here is the probable marriage of Peder Iverson and Martha (Marith) Arnesdatter. Occuring in 1797 really puts it almost out of reach for this couple to be the parents of both Ole and John:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NWZC-LXG
Here is the probable parents of Ole Pederson Selseng in the 1801 census. Martha is aged 36, married for the second time with two daughters from previous relationships:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01058394000094 |
Edited by - jkmarler on 26/03/2015 05:23:55 |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 26/03/2015 : 09:02:05
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The previously mentioned story about Ole Pederson Selsing in Naeseth's directory mentions Ole's parents as Peder Iversen Heggestad and Martha Arnesdatter Selsing.
Peder Iversen, Heggestad in Hafslo and widow Maritha Arnesdatter, Ølnæss in Sogndal were engaged Sept 29 1797, see top of right page.
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Edited by - eibache on 26/03/2015 09:08:54 |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 26/03/2015 : 09:08:20
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Here is the probable parents of Ole Pederson Selseng in the 1801 census.
- they are living at Ølnæss where Maritha came from. When their son Ole is born and baptized Sept 4 1808, they were living at Selseng, see 1st baptism left page.
Based on confirmation records, Ole seems to have been their only son.
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Edited by - eibache on 26/03/2015 09:34:36 |
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