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JaneC
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 Posted - 09/05/2015 : 14:10:54
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So if he arrived New Zealand about age 37, that's about the mid-1870s.
The family left Gjerpen for Våle in Vestfold and registered their departure with the parish priest:
Lars Sivertsen Engrav, 54
Malene Gurine Olsdatter, hands Kone (=his wife), 53.
Deres Børn (= their children):
Sivert Larsen Engrav, 26
Ole Larsen Engrav, 17 - f. 18/10-1839 (f. = født, which means born. Born 18 October 1839)
Anne Kirstine Larsdatter, 11
Til (til=to) Waaler (Våle)
arrival registered 14 April 1856 in Våle churchbook, arriving from Gjerpen:
See #7-11
Lars Sivertsen Riis, 54
Malene Gurine Olsdr, 53.
Deres Børn (= their children):
Simon, born at Engrav, 7/May/1830
Ole, born at Gjerpen 18 October 1839 <----------------------
Anne Kerstine, born 2 Feb 1845
So to find Ole Larsen leaving Norway we'd check the leaving records, leaving from Våle (utflyttede). On the link above, you'll see incoming people on the left hand page and people leaving on the right hand page of the churchbook.
He could go somewhere else first, or leave directly from there. In a quick check I haven't seen him.
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 09/05/2015 : 14:26:37
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Originally posted by heathermckenzie
I have now obtained Ole's death certificate and it says he came to New Zealand when he was 37.
What else did the death certificate say (re. his parents and birth place)?
Also, you wrote: "His first wife was called Marea and she died in New Zealand in 1887." May I ask how do you know this? What is your source? Do you have her death record? |
Edited by - JaneC on 09/05/2015 15:20:13 |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 09/05/2015 : 14:57:54
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Here's a Family Search website transcription of a marriage:
Ole Larsen, age 22, born 1839 (in Gjerpen)
Spouse: Marie Nilsdatter, age 25, born 1836
Event Date: 14 Oct 1861
Event Place: Domkirken, Oslo, Akershus, Norway
Ole's Father: Lars Sivertsen
Marie's Father: Nils Erlandsen
Link
The original churchbook record says ungkarl (bachelor) Ole Larsen is born in Gjerpen.
See #67
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Edited by - JaneC on 09/05/2015 15:18:02 |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 09/05/2015 : 15:46:19
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What do you know about any children Ole may have had in his first marriage? Names & ages etc.
What was Ole's occupation in New Zealand (if anything besides farming)? |
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eibache
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Posted - 09/05/2015 : 16:37:18
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The original churchbook record says ungkarl (bachelor) Ole Larsen is born in Gjerpen.
-it also says he was doing carpenter work.
At the arrival in Våle his fathers occupation was carpenter.
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JaneC
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Posted - 09/05/2015 : 18:20:23
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I haven't found Ole Larsen leaving Norway.
According to the Gamle Gjerpen researcher this should be his sister Inger. Maybe useful to check baptism records, see if Ole is a godparent (and still in Norway).
1875 Norway Census
Kristiania kjøpstad
Address: Welhavens Gade 1
Lars Christiansen 1844 born Vang Prestegjeld hf g Snedkersvend b
Inger Christiansen 1837 born in Nedre Telemarken kone g b
Carl Christiansen 1868 born in Kristiania s b
Eugenie Christiansen 1870 born in Kristiania d b
Villiam Christiansen 1873 Kristiania s b
Arnold Christiansen 1875 Kristiania s b
1885 Norway Census
Kristiania kjøpstad
Gamle Akers Menighed
Address: Sofiegade 19
Lars Christiansen 1844 born in Vang Hedemarken, occupation Snedkersvend
Inger Karine Christiansen 1837 born in Hjerpen Song Hustru
Eugenie Mathilde Denora Christiansen* 1870 Hegdehaugen Datter
Villiam Aleksander Nekkolai Christiansen* 1872 Kristiania Søn
Lars Imil Arnold Christiansen* 1875 Kristiania Søn
Georina Vigtore Hvillemin Christiansen* 1878 Kristiania Datter
Inga Josefine Rosalia Christiansen* 1881 Kristiania Datter
Birth-Baptism
Lars Emil Arnold Christiansen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 3 jul 1875
Baptism Date: 9 jan 1876
Baptism Place: Trefoldighet Menighet, Oslo, Akershus, Norway
Father: Lars Christiansen
Mother: Inger Karine Larsen
FHL Film Number: 255761 Reference ID: 2:FGD1PD
Okay, Ole is not a godparent for Arnold:
#7
Birth-Baptism
Eugenia Mathilda Denora Kristiansen
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 17 sep 1870
Baptism Date: 22 jan 1871
Baptism Place: Oslo, Oslo, Norway
Father: Lars Kristiansen
Mother: Inger Karine Larsen
FHL Film Number: 125844 Reference ID: Bk 29 pg 371
Birth-Baptism
William Alexander Nicolai Christiansen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 14 feb 1873
Baptism Date: 29 jun 1873
Baptism Place: Trefoldighet Menighet, Oslo, Akershus, Norway
Father: Lars Christiansen
Mother: Inger Karine Larsen
FHL Film Number: 255761 Reference ID: 2:FGB743
Ole probably gone by the time Georgina is born (below):
Birth-Baptism
Georgine Victoria Wilhelmine Christiansen
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 27 apr 1879
Baptism Place: Den Norske, Trefoldighet menighet, Oslo, Norway
Father: Lars Christiansen
Mother: Inger Karine Larsen
FHL Film Number: 1282522 Reference ID: item 4 bk 1 4 p136
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Edited by - JaneC on 09/05/2015 18:57:33 |
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AntonH
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JaneC
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Posted - 10/05/2015 : 15:41:05
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Heather, are you interested to find Ole's emigration?
Anton, thanks, and maybe tracking Anne forward in time would yield clues as well.
I'd appreciate clarification about Ormestad - when the family is incoming to Vaale in 1856, they are headed to Ormestad? |
Edited by - JaneC on 10/05/2015 22:07:33 |
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JaneC
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Posted - 10/05/2015 : 22:30:52
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1865 Norway census in Kristiania (Oslo)
Lars Syvertsen 63 born in Hjerpens Prgj. occupation: Skomagerarbeider
Maline Syvertsen f Olsdatter 62 born in Hjerpens Prgj.
...none of their children live at this address
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/ft/person/pf01038027056935
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jkmarler
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Posted - 10/05/2015 : 23:01:37
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Yes! I'm curious about that one, too.
When I posted about Ole Larsen's occupation and names of children from the first marriage it was because I'd seen this one. I didn't post a link for it since it was so off the wall.
A lot of things are mixed up on this entry if it is "our" Ole Larsen-- birthplace for starters unless it's a bad read of a poorly rendered Telemarken. The wife is older by a few years than the marriage record, but the children seem to begin about the right time (abt 1862) And the shoemaking occupation seemed outside the bounds too, but now, if his father is so occupied in the big city perhaps he was, also.
But still an incredible long long shot.
Thanks for finding another spelling for Gjerpen, that might help open things up as well.
Gee, I see you have taken down the link, so here it is again:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01038027022716
Here is a transcribed baptism record for the son Olaf Gothard. Also mother's name is Christoffersdatter so that pushes it further out side realm of possible:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NH4B-758 |
Edited by - jkmarler on 10/05/2015 23:12:26 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 10/05/2015 : 23:16:05
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Here is a possible marriage record for Ole and Maren Helene
Maren Helene Christofersdr in the Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926
Name: Maren Helene Christofersdr
[Maren Helene Johnsen]
Gender: Female
Age: 32
Birth Date: 1830
Marriage Date: 11 jul 1862
Marriage Place: Trefoldighet Menighet, Oslo, Akershus, Norway
Father: Christofer Johnsen
FHL Film Number: 255761
Reference ID: 2:QMGC2C
Flipping the search around, I come up with the father of Ole Larsen named Lars Nielsen.
Name: Ole Larsen
Gender: Male
Age: 24
Birth Date: 1838
Marriage Date: 11 jul 1862
Marriage Place: Trefoldighet Menighet, Oslo, Akershus, Norway
Father: Lars Nielsen
Spouse: Maren Helene Christofersdr
FHL Film Number: 255761
Reference ID: 2:QMGC2C
This looks like their marriage record, and Ole Larsen is from Vinger, Hedmarken.
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=696&idx_id=696&uid=ny&idx_side=-102 |
Edited by - AntonH on 10/05/2015 23:27:23 |
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AntonH
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JaneC
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Posted - 11/05/2015 : 04:40:01
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Since we've not found Ole in 1865 census, possibility exists he could possibiy maybe have emigrated beforehand. Then another explanation would be needed for the death record info.
Need more info from New Zealand.
http://archives.govt.nz/research/guides/migration
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heathermckenzie
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Posted - 11/05/2015 : 07:41:59
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Thank you again everyone for your help. The marriage certificate at the time that Ole married for the second time in 1889 has a place to note if bachelor or spinster and if widowed the date of death of the previous spouse. The date is 29 August 1887. Divorced is not an option!
Ole's age is noted as 49 on the 1889 marriage certificate, which is consistent with a birth date of 1839 as suggested in this forum. Also Ole's occupation is noted as "carpenter".
A headstone in a cemetery in Palmerston North, New Zealand says " Ole Larsen died 17 November 1916 aged 77, also his wife Marea". The cemetery records give her date of death as 1887.
Ole's death certificate has nothing written for parents. Obviously the family he had at that time had not been told or had forgotten who his parents were. Norway would seem a long way away.
However, Ole Larsen has a father called Lars Sivertsen and mother called Maline Gurine (maiden name Olsen in NZ but obviously Olsdatter in Norway) as that is what he noted on the marriage certificate in 1889.
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heathermckenzie
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Posted - 11/05/2015 : 07:50:12
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| Yes I would like to know when Ole came to New Zealand. It is interesting for some New Zealanders to know where our ancestors came from and how many generations there have been in New Zealand. A lot of Scandinavians arrived in the 1870s. |
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