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jwiborg
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 Posted - 26/10/2015 : 21:22:02
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Originally posted by AngelaBoger
Where did you find the headstone????
The headstone was found here.
Do you know where his wife Sarah Elizabeth was born (21-4-1879), or the name of her parents? You mentioned she was a Dutch girl who lived in East London. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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AngelaBoger
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Posted - 27/10/2015 : 05:51:30
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Originally posted by jwiborg
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Originally posted by AngelaBoger
Where did you find the headstone????
The headstone was found here.
Do you know where his wife Sarah Elizabeth was born (21-4-1879), or the name of her parents? You mentioned she was a Dutch girl who lived in East London.
Thank you. I hadn't found that website before.
Her parents were Andre and Isabella Elizabeth Englebrecht. That's all I know. They were witnesses at the grandchildren's baptisms. |
Edited by - AngelaBoger on 27/10/2015 05:53:06 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 04/11/2015 : 00:35:28
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I've searched through the following record set (Sailor's rolls from Oslo) Oslo fylke, Oslo mønstringskontor, Yngre ruller, Annotasjonsruller, Annotasjonsrulle 3 (SAO/A-10569g/F/Fc/Fca/L0003), 1887-1902, oppb: Statsarkivet i Oslo.
and found no Herman Sandersens. There were only two Sandersens the Johan Ingvard already noted and another named Olaf Johannes Sandersen. I don't have my notes with me right now but will post links to their entries in the rolls.
Johan Ingvard Sandersen b. 26 Mar 1873 #5989:
Kildeinformasjon: Oslo fylke, Oslo mønstringskontor, Yngre ruller, Annotasjonsruller, Annotasjonsrulle 3 (SAO/A-10569g/F/Fc/Fca/L0003), 1887-1902, oppb: Statsarkivet i Oslo.
Merknader: Annotasjonsrulle, patent nr. 5198-7595.
Permanent sidelenke: http://arkivverket.no/URN:db_read/db/42069/165/
Johan Ingvard Sandersen b. 26 Mar 1873 #6157:
Kildeinformasjon: Oslo fylke, Oslo mønstringskontor, Yngre ruller, Annotasjonsruller, Annotasjonsrulle 3 (SAO/A-10569g/F/Fc/Fca/L0003), 1887-1902, oppb: Statsarkivet i Oslo.
Merknader: Annotasjonsrulle, patent nr. 5198-7595.
Permanent sidelenke: http://arkivverket.no/URN:db_read/db/42069/200/
Olaf Johannes Sandersen b. 16 Feb 1870 #5390 did go AWOL in 1889 and he had been to England prior to that, not sure I see South Africa as any destination, though:
Kildeinformasjon: Oslo fylke, Oslo mønstringskontor, Yngre ruller, Annotasjonsruller, Annotasjonsrulle 3 (SAO/A-10569g/F/Fc/Fca/L0003), 1887-1902, oppb: Statsarkivet i Oslo.
Merknader: Annotasjonsrulle, patent nr. 5198-7595.
Permanent sidelenke: http://arkivverket.no/URN:db_read/db/42069/42/
Olaf Johannes Sanderson's confirmation #54:
Kildeinformasjon: Oslo fylke, Grønland, Ministerialbok nr. 8 (1881-1893), Konfirmerte 1884, side 78.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=6232&idx_id=6232&uid=ny&idx_side=-70
There were several Hermans with other last names on the rolls.
Herman Alfred Johnson b. 17 Sept 1874; Herman Ingvald Kristiansen b. 6 June 1872; Herman Gunerius Hansen b. 16 Nov 1875 at Onso; Heman Anderson b. 14 July 1876.
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AngelaBoger
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Posted - 04/11/2015 : 17:00:16
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Originally posted by jkmarler
I've searched through the following record set (Sailor's rolls from Oslo) Oslo fylke, Oslo mønstringskontor, Yngre ruller, Annotasjonsruller, Annotasjonsrulle 3 (SAO/A-10569g/F/Fc/Fca/L0003), 1887-1902, oppb: Statsarkivet i Oslo.
and found no Herman Sandersens. There were only two Sandersens the Johan Ingvald already noted and another named Olaf Johannes Sandersen. I don't have my notes with me right now but will post links to their entries in the rolls.
There were several Hermans with other last names on the rolls.
Herman Alfred Johnson b. 17 Sept 1874; Herman Ingvald Kristiansen b. 6 June 1872; Herman Gunerius Hansen b. 16 Nov 1875 at Onso; Heman Anderson b. 14 July 1876.
Thank you so much for continuing to try and help me! I am still manually sifting through South African death notices in the area him and his wife passed away. As soon as I find one for either of them, I should have more information to aid in searching! :) |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 05/11/2015 : 02:19:28
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| Looking forward to further information. At least a post or two keeps your topic from slipping off page 1.... |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 06/11/2015 : 19:42:51
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| My gut feeling says that Herman Sandersen was from Østfold county, and possibly near the cities Fredrikstad/Sarpsborg, but I don't have any proof to substantiate my claim... |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 06/11/2015 : 20:12:30
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| Very few maritime specialists in upper Buskerud fylke so you could easily be right.... |
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AngelaBoger
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Posted - 06/11/2015 : 20:18:23
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Originally posted by jkmarler
Looking forward to further information. At least a post or two keeps your topic from slipping off page 1....
Well I've gone through 1400 estate files so far trying to find his wife's death record. Since he died before 1962, I don't have internet access to estate files around his time of death; but they put the estate file number of the spouse (pre-deceased) on the death record.
If I can find the wife, then I can contact the archives in South Africa with the estate file number for Herman Sandersen himself. That will hopefully give us all some answers! |
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AngelaBoger
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Posted - 06/11/2015 : 21:28:06
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Well, I've completed all the estate files for 1962, and am unable to find his wife.
I am not sure what else to do now - seems like a dead end.
All I can think of is to hire someone in South Africa to go digging through the 1958 estate files to try find Herman Sandersen for me. But since it's not been scanned and put onto computers, it would take a really long time for them to do. *sigh* |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 06/11/2015 : 21:51:02
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An exceedingly long shot, Anton Herman Alexandersen b. 19 June 1885 (not a good match to the recorded birth year of 1874) #51:
Kildeinformasjon: Østfold fylke, Onsøy i Onsøy, Ministerialbok nr. 5 (1878-1898), Fødte og døpte 1885, side 124.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=5476&idx_id=5476&uid=ny&idx_side=-128
He did go to sea registering in Fredrikstad, though.
Here is Anton Herman Alexandersen in 1891 census transcription as a foster child:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01052689002515
Here is Anton Herman Alexandersen between 3162 & 3163, last voyage recorded in this record ended 8 May 1907:
Kildeinformasjon: Østfold fylke, Fredrikstad mønstringskontor, Yngre ruller, Annotasjonsruller, Annotasjonsrulle 5 (SAO/A-10569b/F/Fc/Fca/L0005), 1884-1899, oppb: Statsarkivet i Oslo.
Merknader: Annotasjonsrulle, patent nr. 1450-4000.
Permanent sidelenke: http://arkivverket.no/URN:db_read/db/41994/364/
The previously mentioned Sander who came to Hallingdal from Scotland was thought to actually been named Alexander in his Scottish period, so perhaps Herman Sandersen in South Africa came by Sandersen as a smoothed down version of Alexandersen? |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 06/11/2015 : 21:51:16
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Sarah Elizabeth's parents were Andre and Isabella Elizabeth Englebrecht.
Herman & Sarah's children were Martha Johanna Elizabeth, Peter Henry (Peters Henerick), Arthur Herman, Agnes, Sarah Elizabeth, William and Sylvester.
The reason I asked for Sarah's parents, was to see if any of the children was named after the grandparents. If so; the name of Hermans parents would also be among the names of their children.
My first thought was that Hermans parents would be named Peter & Martha Johanna, but unfortunately it doesn't look so....?
Elizabeth is a name that is repeated though, so maybe Hermans mother was Martha Johanna? |
Edited by - jwiborg on 06/11/2015 21:58:56 |
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AngelaBoger
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Posted - 07/11/2015 : 02:03:26
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I found this on FamilySearch.. Perhaps his father?
Name Herman Sandersen
Gender Male
Death Date 30 Sep 1895
Death Place Kempen Menighet, Oslo, Norway
Norway Burials
Name Herman Sandersen
Gender Male
Event Date 03 Oct 1895
Event Place Kampen, Oslo, Oslo, Norway |
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AngelaBoger
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Posted - 07/11/2015 : 02:06:47
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Oh by the way.. The first child that I'm aware of was born in 1907, so he must have arrived in South Africa roughly 9 months to a year before that.  |
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AngelaBoger
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Posted - 07/11/2015 : 02:24:07
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Originally posted by jwiborg
My gut feeling says that Herman Sandersen was from Østfold county, and possibly near the cities Fredrikstad/Sarpsborg, but I don't have any proof to substantiate my claim...
Give me your opinion on this idea...
I just looked at Herman's first child's baptism record again, and it appears his first name was first written in as Sander - it was then scribbled out and replaced with Hermann. I know that when people moved over to countries they often changed their names (last names mostly, but I am sure many changed their first names as well).
So I looked up Sander Sandersen, and got an immediate hit that looks promising to me...
Name Sander Sandersen
Gender Male
Birth Date 18 Dec 1874
Birthplace Varteig, Østfold, Norway
Christening Date 10 Jan 1875
Christening Place Varteig, Østfold, Norway
Father's Name Syver Sandersen
Father's Age 1852
Mother's Name Tilla Marie Svennungsdr
Mother's Age 1849
^^^^^ This has the exact year of birth we've been looking for.... Has the Østfold gut feeling you have included... AND the father's name is Syver --- Herman had a son named Sylvester who was always called Sylvie.
Could this be him???? |
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