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Carolaquilante
New on board
USA
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 Posted - 29/09/2016 : 18:30:44
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My grandfather, Ralph Sorensen, was born in Oslo Fylke, Norway in 1890. As the story goes, he got into some kid trouble at around 13 years old and left his books by the water and stowed away on a ship. He eventually changed his last name to Rivers and at some point a sea captain told him to write home to let them know he was alive. They may have thought he drowned. My grandfather died around 1961 and he and his wife Mary Almeida Rivers had ten children. Is there any information out there on an potential relatives? It would be nice to pass some information on to the rest of the family.
His first name may have been the Norweigan form of the name. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 29/09/2016 : 21:29:20
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Ralph/Ralf/Rolf Sørensen in Norwegian.
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Edited by - Kåarto on 29/09/2016 21:30:13 |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 29/09/2016 : 22:15:22
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9216 Posts |
Posted - 29/09/2016 : 22:18:40
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In the 1930 US Census he is living in Rhode Island with wife and family and is listed as Business Agent for the Seamans Union. Listed as having arrived in 1918. He must have travelled a lot
for he is listed in 1924 as having arrived Jan 8, 1918, in Port Arthur Texas. From Tampico, Mexico
Ralph Rivers
in the Rhode Island, State and Federal Naturalization Records, 1802-1945
Name: Ralph Rivers
Age: 33
Record Type: Declaration
Birth Date: 12 Aug 1890
Birth Place: Christiania, Norway
Arrival Date: 8 Jan 1918
Arrival Place: Port Arthur, Texas
Declaration Date: 23 Jan 1924
Declaration Place: Rhode Island, USA
Spouse: Mary
Declaration Number: 39415 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 29/09/2016 : 22:31:36
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As a sailor he shows up in a lot of records. Here is one coming to Boston from Tampico, Mexico. Age 30 born in Norway on the original manifest.
Ralph Rivers
in the Massachusetts, Passenger and Crew Lists, 1820-1963
Name: Ralph Rivers
Nationality: Norwegian
Departure Place: Tampico, Mexico
Arrival Date: 1 May 1920
Arrival Place: Boston, Massachusetts, USA
Ship: George |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 29/09/2016 : 22:38:20
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In 1916, 1917, 1918 and 1919 he sailed into New Orleans from various places, including Nicraugua, Honduras and Mexico. In one instance he is listed with the first name of Ralf.
Ralf Rivers
in the New Orleans, Passenger Lists, 1813-1963
Name: Ralf Rivers
Arrival Date: 2 Jul 1917
Port of Arrival: United States
Birth Date: abt 1889
Age: 28
Nationality: Norwegian
Port of Departure: Frontera, Mexico
Ship Name: Norwalk |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7765 Posts |
Posted - 30/09/2016 : 01:14:38
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Here is an obit for one of Ralph Sr's kids:
Lillian May Nelson
Lillian May (Rivers) Nelson, formerly of Anawan Street, Rehoboth, and more recently the Maples Nursing and Rehabilitation Center in Wrentham, died on Aug. 15, 2013, knowing she was loved by her sister, daughters, sons-in-law, grandchildren and great-grandchildren.
She met her future husband Al, who died in 2007, in 1944 at the Fields Point Shipyard in Providence, while building ships for the war effort. They were indeed part of the greatest generation and they married on April 14, 1945.
She was born Oct. 13, 1923 in Providence to Ralph Rivers Sr. and Mary (Almeida) Rivers. She was the first of 10 children. She was preceded in death by Elsie Aquilante, Ralph W., Raymond, Frank, Dorothy Wagner, Helen Lavin and Ann Joan. She is survived by a brother, L. William Rivers and a sister, Rosemarie Kapusta and many nieces and nephews.
Mrs. Nelson worked at Engelhard Industries in Attleboro as the receptionist in the late 1960s and early 1970s.
She was the Past Worthy Matron of the Order of Eastern Star of the Martha Washington Chapter No. 18, Warren, R.I., in 1957-1958. Mrs. Nelson was a member of Second Congregational Church, UCC of Attleboro and a member of the board of deacons from 1988-1990, a member and past president of the Martha Circle and a proud member of the church's flower committee.
Her other love was the water. She used to love to swim and sail to the Sabin Point Lighthouse on Rose Island in East Providence before the '38 hurricane changed life for her family when they lost their home.
They had two daughters, Joyce who married Ted Moxham of Attleboro, and Cheri who married Ernie Dardenne, also of Attleboro. Mrs. Nelson loved watching her grandchildren, Jennifer Dardenne Callan, Kristin Moxham Keith, Jeffrey Dardenne, and Erika Moxham Murphy, grow and enjoy the "wide open spaces of Rehoboth while visiting their grandparents."
She was blessed with five great-grandchildren, Ashley, Tyler, Hailey, Jake and Ben, who just arrived on Aug. 8.
Public visitation has been respectfully omitted.
A private funeral service was scheduled for Tuesday, Aug. 20, 2013, in the Memorial Chapel of the Dyer-Lake Funeral Home - the nationally historic Colonel Obed Robinson Home, 161 Commonwealth Ave. (exit 5 off Interstate-95 N or S, go right, 3/4 mile on the left), Village of Attleboro Falls, North Attleboro with the Rev. F. Vernon Wright, pastor of Second Congregational Church, Attleboro, officiating.
Burial was to follow in Oak Knoll Cemetery, Rehoboth.
Please omit flowers. Memorial donations in Mrs. Nelson's name may be made to the Second Congregational Church - Deacon's Fund, Park Street, Attleboro, MA 02703.
For additional information or to send the family a written expression of sympathy, visit a guest book at dyer-lakefuneralhome.com.
Arrangements are under the direction of the Dyer-Lake Funeral Home - the national historic Colonel Obed Robinson Home, 161 Commonwealth Ave., Village of Attleboro Falls, North Attleboro, 508-695-0200. |
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peder
Advanced member
USA
835 Posts |
Posted - 30/09/2016 : 11:21:48
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Ralph Rivers
Gender: Male
Birth: Circa 1891
Norway
Residence: 1940
1721 Westminster Street, Providence, Rhode Island, USA
Age: 49
Residence in 1935: Same Place - 1721 Westminster Street, Providence, Rhode Island, USA
Race: White
Citizenship status: NA
Marital status: Married
Wife: Mary Rivers
Children: Lillian Rivers, Ralph Jr Rivers, Dorothy Rivers, Elsie Rivers, Lewlyn Rivers, Raymond Rivers, Frank Rivers, Jona A Rivers, Helen Rivers
Census
County: Providence Enum. District: 6-116 Page: 12B
State: Rhode Island Roll: m-t0627-03777 Family: 239
Date: 1940 Frame: 00027 Line: 51
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7765 Posts |
Posted - 30/09/2016 : 16:44:18
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Here is a possible a Realf b 1890 in the 1900 census:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01037167003160
He is a sailor in 1910, living in US:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01036523006322
Definately born 14 June 1890 #78:
SAKO, Solum kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0010: Ministerialbok nr. I 10, 1888-1898, s. 28
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060531090404
Realf Realfsen is in DIS Gravminner. He died in 1914 so can't be your man:
Name Realf Realfsen
Birth date 1406 1890
Died date 1912 1914
Square C
Cemetery Solum
County/Municipality Telemark/Skien
Registrations by Kirkevergen i Skien
Transcriber Kirkevergen
Registration finished Mars 2008
Notes
Photographer Eva Erntsen, DIS-Telemark
About the registration Kirkevergens database + gravminnene
Here is Realf's dodfallsprotokol #132 says he died of Taering:
SAKO, Solum lensmannskontor, H/Ha/L0002: Dødsanmeldelsesprotokoll, 1909-1916, p. upaginert
Quick link: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/sk10081301022110
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peder
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7765 Posts |
Posted - 30/09/2016 : 23:42:09
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Rolf Brynjul etc is not with the family in 1910...
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01036392087030
Looks like one of Rolf's brothers came to US in 1913:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/gen/vis/8/pe00000001136674
He apparently stayed 1913-1916 and made a return to visit to his aunt Marie Raynor in 1920, coming on the Stavangerfjord.
Marie Raynor in 1920 census:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MJPV-CY2
As Ida Marie Raynor in 1910 census:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M539-Y4R
Dies in New York in 1943:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WPW-2X4
https://a860-historicalvitalrecords.nyc.gov/view/11470178
Birth and baptism of Rolf's mother auntie Harda:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/gen/vis/255/pd00000002245551
(Her father is noted as Carl M Dechmann, wonder if this is the same person as ships captain Carl Dechmann who captained several voyages of the Askur out of Drammen carrying numerous passengers to North America?)This must be an older namesake sister of Harda Sofie who married Andreas Sorenson.
Harda's birth and baptism #4
SAKO, Sem kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0007: Ministerialbok nr. I 7, 1856-1865, s. 113
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/kb20051018020444
Harda with her birth family in 1865 census:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01038118002280
Harda with her birth family in 1875 census:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01052055045204
Harda's and Andreas' marriage #76
SAO, Paulus prestekontor Kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0004: Parish register (official) no. 4, 1879-1891, p. 215
Quick link: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/kb20060922020394
In Norway Baptisms at familysearch.org there are found five children of Andreas Sorenson and Harda Deichmann. Rolf is not among them. The one born in 1886 was ____ Trygve Johan and he was baptized at Paulus and the girl Elly Sofie baptized in 1890 was baptized at "Hospital".
The widow H. Diechmann-Sørensen in 1905 at the address given in Rolf's confirmation record of 1903:
RA, Kristiania adressebok (publikasjon)*, 1905, p. 299
Quick link: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/db10061202274991
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7765 Posts |
Posted - 01/10/2016 : 09:47:35
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We have lift off!!!
Rolf #222 was born 12 August 1888
SAO, Paulus prestekontor Kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0013: Ministerialbok nr. 13, 1887-1894, s. 71
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060830050180
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 01/10/2016 : 15:05:47
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Marvelous Jackie!
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(Her father is noted as Carl M Dechmann, wonder if this is the same person as ships captain Carl Dechmann who captained several voyages of the Askur out of Drammen carrying numerous passengers to North America?)
Most likely, according to the wedding record she was confirmated at Strømsø and her father was "Skipskaptein" Karl Martinius Dechmann. |
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Edited by - eibache on 01/10/2016 15:27:10 |
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