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jkmarler
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DavidE Olsen
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 Posted - 17/02/2017 : 00:34:21
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[quote]Originally posted by jkmarler
So you don't believe that the Olaf Christian Olsen who died in1950 in Los Angeles is yours?
No, this is the correct Olaf, i was referring to a second link for an Olaf that died in the 1960's.
The one logical way that Krog could be in play is as name of a farm of which there are farms of that name in Rødenes and Tønsberg.
so norwegians used their farm names?
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DavidE Olsen
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AntonH
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Posted - 17/02/2017 : 00:56:01
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Olaf and Olivia / Oline were divorced and Olaf married again?
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K8NX-YJY
If so it may not have lasted long.
Mabel Halstead Olsen
in the 1930 United States Federal Census
Name: Mabel Halstead Olsen
[Halstead Alsen Mabel]
Birth Year: abt 1880
[abt 1900]
Gender: Female
Race: White
Birthplace: Indiana
Marital Status: Divorced
Relation to Head of House: Head
Homemaker?: Yes
Home in 1930: Redondo Beach, Los Angeles, California
Map of Home: View Map
Street address: Benita
House Number in Cities or Towns: 127
Dwelling Number: 305
Family Number: 322
Home Owned or Rented: Owned
Home Value: 3000
Radio Set: Yes
Lives on Farm: No
Attended School: No
Able to Read and Write: Yes
Father's Birthplace: Indiana
Mother's Birthplace: Virginia
Able to Speak English: Yes
Occupation: Landlady
Industry: Apartment
Class of Worker: Working on own account
Employment: Yes
Household Members:
Name Age
Mabel Halstead Olsen 50
[30]
June Halstead 25
Very complicate relationships.
First husband was Paris Henry Halstead. They were living together in 1910 in San Diego, Divorced by 1920 Census. In 1920 he was living in Alameda County with his mother and future wife Emma Smith. He then married Emma Smith. He died in 1954 in Contra Costa County.
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jkmarler
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Posted - 17/02/2017 : 01:32:20
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You need to look at the actual marriage record of Olaf and Mabel which is available at that link. The back side of the form contains more information about the contracting parties.
Here Olivia is listed as divorced. Olaf on the back of the form is listed as divorced.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XCF7-T25
Since we can't see the writing, I was exploring to see if there might be some other name which might be like Krog such as Olivia's maiden name Berg.
Here is Olivia's death index:
OLSEN OLIVIA
10/19/1869
mother's maiden name CLOCKERS
father's name: BERG
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REST (OTHER)
HUMBOLDT
08/21/1949
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Edited by - jkmarler on 17/02/2017 01:55:04 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 17/02/2017 : 02:20:38
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I think there were two Olaf C. Olsen's in Los Angeles area that are getting mixed up, below is my great grandfather's naturalization record from 1919. The other Olaf was born in norway in 1880 but died in 1964.
That is true. Here is his death record. However he has enough of a separate life that I do not think we are confusing him with your ancestor.
Olaf C Olsen
in the California, Death Index, 1940-1997
Name: Olaf C Olsen
Social Security #: 385200854
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 10 Jul 1880
Death Date: 28 Feb 1964
Death Place: Los Angeles
Mother's Maiden Name: Shutte
He married an Amanda Savolainen in Michigan and they and several children were still living in Michigan in the 1930 US Census.
His parents were Edvard Angell Olsen and Elene Marie Schytte (spelled Shutte in the above death record).
Here is his original record See number 11
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/kb20060828060099 |
Edited by - AntonH on 17/02/2017 02:47:38 |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 17/02/2017 : 02:29:07
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| Re the storm story, I searched through Olaf Olsen stories at genealogybank.com through 1925 and found one concerning an Olaf Olsen from San Francisco aboard a fishing boat the Stanley, which headed to Alaskan waters--Bering Sea-- in March 1902 and an Olaf Olsen and Hans Larsen were lost in a blowing storm and fog in a fishing dory and finally got to land and lived on raw fish and seal meat for 10 days before being rescued. Paper was the San Francisco Chronicle, Tuesday 26 Aug 1902. |
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AntonH
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DavidE Olsen
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Posted - 17/02/2017 : 04:28:00
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| i wasn't aware that Olaf and Olivia got divorced but it appears they did, i'm not sure about the 1930 census for Olivia being correct as her middle name is Maria not "C" and she was born October 19, 1869 not 1875 but i know sometimes census info can be transcribed wrong. She was born in Vasa Finland so there are many things correct on this census. dave |
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JaneC
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Posted - 17/02/2017 : 04:48:47
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Olivia name was Olivia Maria Carlsdatter Berg, is that right? Many times the patronym of an immigrant is preserved as a middle initial. Her middle initial is C in 1940 also.
Bouncing from link to link, it is harder to compare the various records. Putting the transcriptions together on one page, makes it easier to see the trends. US census has Olivja born after 1870. The 1930 is consistent with your Olivia..
Norwegian naming practices are discussed many places online - explaining that farm addresses were temporary, that in Norway patronymic names were used instead of permanent surnames, and that immigrants usually chose either a farm address name or their patronym to use as a permanent surname (dropping the patronymic naming pattern was a facet of assimilation).
link
Thanks for explaining more about the name Krog.
Incredible storm story find, Jackie. |
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DavidE Olsen
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Posted - 17/02/2017 : 05:03:55
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[quote]Originally posted by lyndal40
David the information posted by Jackie above for the death of Olaf Olsen may very well be the correct one. There is no separate section for Santa Monica in the California, Death Index, 1940-1997. Probably because Santa Monica is in Los Angles County. Here is the Ancestry.com version of what Jackie has posted. The birth date is off but that is not unexpected especially in death notices.
Olaf Christian Olsen
in the California, Death Index, 1940-1997
Name: Olaf Christian Olsen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 10 Sep 1879
Birth Place: Other Country
Death Date: 5 Jun 1950
Death Place: Los Angeles
Mother's Maiden Name: Christensen
Father's Surname: Olsen
The mothers maiden name would likely be Christiansdatter or Kristiansdatter in Norway. That fits with the child found by Einar but not the child found by Kåre whose mother had the maiden name of Hansdatter.
Tough to chose one of several candidates with only partial fits.
yes, this is the correct Olaf, i don't have his death certificate. |
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JaneC
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Posted - 17/02/2017 : 05:10:01
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Dave, the informant on the death record is of interest...if obtaining copies of original records is an option in a genealogy quest, it's always helpful to get them. Olaf obit is wanted also. With many discrepancies in the records, it is harder to prove he is or is not one candidate or another. US info is being mined for clues to help the hunt in Norway.
Really wish more was known about where that name Krog came from (why your mother believed Olaf had carried the name Krog).
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AntonH
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Posted - 17/02/2017 : 05:38:07
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Yes trying to connect the name Krog with any of the people we have found in Norway has been a tough slog. Thinking about the name Krog, it is possible that it is a short version of a longer farm name. But hard to find a fam with that name in Vega. An approach would be to look at the parents and grandparents and what parish they are from. I am only looking for now at Nordalnd because of the presence there of Vega and the fact that the Helgeland region is mostly there.
In the 18101 census
Brønøe has Krogeness
Ranen has Krogstrand
Borge has Krogtoft
Øxnæss: has Krognæss
A start is the father of Olaf Kristian Olsen was Ole Olsen, his parents were Ole Pedersen and Andrea Voraldsdatter. Ole from Børnø and Andrea from Tjøtø (Alstahaug) Andrea's parents are Volrad Thronsen and Johanna Nilsdatter. Volraad Thornsen is found in the 1801 Census in Brønnøy. There are farms in Brønnøy containing Krog, specifically Krogeness. So far I have yet to find a person associated with this farm that is also connected to the family of the poster.
However Jane has provided a short cut to at least some of the information with the link to the website Frode Sin Slektside. Here is the Family Tree for Andrea Voraldsdatter. No Krog in her know ancestors here only a Wog and Belsvog farms.
http://www.slekt.net/tng/getperson.php?personID=I81670&tree=1 |
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JaneC
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Posted - 17/02/2017 : 13:35:51
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Great approach, to dig into the candidate's family further.
Here is the Frode genealogy of Helgeland:
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The letter g and k are interchangeable but didn't see any name spelled Krok.
Just in brainstorming mode, Krog was a name of note, as explained by Kåre on page 1. People sometimes named their children after an unrelated but notable person. Here is a boy named Peter Krog Olsen who seemingly is the only one in the family with Krog as a name. link. As another example, a Nordland family who gave the children honorary / namesake names. link
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jkmarler
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Posted - 17/02/2017 : 15:31:27
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Originally posted by DavidE Olsen
i wasn't aware that Olaf and Olivia got divorced but it appears they did, i'm not sure about the 1930 census for Olivia being correct as her middle name is Maria not "C" and she was born October 19, 1869 not 1875 but i know sometimes census info can be transcribed wrong. She was born in Vasa Finland so there are many things correct on this census. dave
One thing you can do is check it yourself by searching for any Olivia of any surname, born at any time in Finland living in California in the various census records. There are a number in each census year but the 1930 and 1940 person in Humboldt county is the most like the two censuses that are known to be her.
Re Olaf's death certificate, I think you should get the actual copy. Last time I got a copy of a California death certificate the cost was $9.00 but that was a number of years ago. When the reliance is only on a transcription, you are counting on someone else's interpretation of the information which might be good but might be less good. By getting the death certificate you might also get his mother's first name.
In the case of the marriage record between Olaf and the second wife, Olaf's mother is recorded as "Pausen Chavez." I don't believe that that was her name. I think the most likely thing is that he and Mabel filled out their applications by hand and the clerk typing the record interpreted what they saw. From such a transcription, I can see both Kari Christiansdatter / Christiansen or Kari Krog transforming to Pausen Chavez.
Ole (of which the name Olaf is a subset) is the most common male name in Norway. Therefore Olsen / Olsdatter is the most common patronymic. That is why more or clarifying information from the US side is important to confirm the find in Norway or deny the find in Norway is needed. |
Edited by - jkmarler on 17/02/2017 15:58:11 |
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Help locating Olaf C. Olsen or Krog
