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AntonH
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 Posted - 22/03/2017 : 00:59:10
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Jane I like your idea tying Svend's wife to Peter Magnussen. Here from an Ancestry.com tree is the info from there on Svend's wife.
Maria Lisa Magnusdotter
1840–1883
BIRTH 13 FEB 1840 • Nössemark, Sverige
DEATH 30 DEC 1883 • Halden, Ostfold, Norway
Her birth
Maria Lisa Magnusdotter
in the Sweden, Select Baptisms, 1611-1920
Name: Maria Lisa Magnusdotter
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 13 feb 1840
Baptism Date: 14 feb 1840
Baptism Place: Nössemark, Älvsborg, Sweden
Mother's Age: 22y
Father: Magnus Svensson
Mother: Greta Bryngelsdotter
FHL Film Number: 85079
Her parents
Magnus Svensson
BIRTH 18 AUGUSTI 1818 • Håbol, Älvsborg, Sverige
Greta Bryngelsdotter
BIRTH 30 NOV 1817 • Nössemark
Their child
Name: Laura Elise Svend Edvardsdatter
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 10 okt 1869 (10 Oct 1869)
Baptism Date: 26 des 1869 (26 Dec 1869)
Baptism Place: Halden, Ostfold, Norway
Father: Svend Edvard Pedersen
Mother: Marie Elise Magnusen
FHL Film Number: 125888
Reference ID: 2:2DZXBMD
The 1900 and 1910 Census give different birth dates for Laura and I have not been able to find her in the Parish records.
1910 gives 10.09.1868
1900 gives 1868.08.10 |
Edited by - AntonH on 22/03/2017 21:52:02 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 22/03/2017 : 02:22:49
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The other side of the equation. Here is the marriage of Peter Magnussen and Laurine Nilsdatter.
Name: Jan Peder Magnussen
Gender: Male
Age: 28
Birth Date: 24 jul 1834
Marriage Date: 10 aug 1862
Marriage Place: Tonsberg,Vestfold,Norway
Father: Magnus Jansen
Spouse: Laurine Nilsdr
FHL Film Number: 278260
Here is the record. Difficult to read but looks like the father of Laurine is Nils Hansen Smidsrød. The father of Peter Magnussen is Magnus Jansen and Peter is listed as a sailor.
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You can see that the birth date given for Peter in the Parish record is July 24, 1834.
That matches this birth record from Ancestry.
Name: Jan Petter Magnusson
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 24 jul 1834
Baptism Date: 27 jul 1834
Baptism Place: Ärtemark , Älvsborg, Sweden
Mother's Age: 23y
That information leads to this tree information for the parents.
Magnus Jansson
BIRTH 3 AUG 1810
DEATH 12 JUL 1857 • Dammen, Bengtsfors, Dalsland
Maria Persdotter
BIRTH 29 SEP 1811 • Laxarby, Skaggerud, Bengtsfors kn, Dalsland
DEATH 28 APR 1895
All of these areas are in the Dalsland which matches the place of birth listed for Peter Magnussen found in the 1875 Census of Dalsland Sverige.
However it seems as if the trail leads back to two different places and people in Sweden. Although Nössemark, Älvsborg, Sweden and Ärtemark, Älvsborg, Sweden are only twenty kilometers apart.
Nice idea though. |
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AntonH
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Posted - 22/03/2017 : 02:49:14
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mastokk2
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AntonH
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Posted - 22/03/2017 : 16:39:44
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Thank you Mariann. Here he is in 1900 Census
1900
I see he is living with people named Johannessen, same name as was used by Peter in the 1875 Census. I wonder if there is a connection there and that is where the Johannessen name comes from.
His baptism
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mastokk2
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Posted - 22/03/2017 : 16:56:15
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lyndal: Same as I thought :-)
vivi: Sorry for beeing so _sure_ that this Peter was not the right one!
I guess I have been searching so much for information these last 8-9 months, that I not could see the forest because of all the trees ;-)
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AntonH
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Posted - 22/03/2017 : 21:40:31
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I think you are doing fine Mariann, without your research we would have been dead days ago.
Baptism of Svend Even born in Aremak, Østfold
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AntonH
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Posted - 22/03/2017 : 23:43:15
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This is likely the Even Edvard Pedersen who was first tagged as the father of Peter Evensen and then seemed as if he denied being the father and was replaced in the story by Svend Edvard Pedersen.
1865
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jkmarler
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JaneC
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Posted - 23/03/2017 : 00:27:00
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Mariann can probably say more, but has described the belatedly alleged father of Peter as Svend Edvard Petersen, 23 years old, from Marker prestegjeld. (Presumably age 23 when Peter was born), and a little more, here: link
Nice try on the Magnusen idea.
A message re Kristian Marsvald f 1873: link
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AntonH
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Posted - 23/03/2017 : 00:57:49
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We know very little of the father of Peter.
From the Mariann link provided by Jane
"Men det visar seg i svaret eg fekk frå Statsarkivet i Kongsberg, at mor plutseleg hugsa at faren var ein annan enn den som vart oppgjeve i krk.boka ved dåpen til Peter!!"
So she received an answer from the Statsarkivet that the mother said that she suddenly remebered that the father is different than the one in the parish book for the baptism of Peter.
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"Her er svaretfrå Kongsberg: men vi finner noe korrespondanse i arkivet fra Jarlsberg og Larvik amt, hvor det fremgår at barnefarens rette navn var Svend Edvard Petersen (23 år) fra Marker prestegjeld (jfr. vedlagte kopier), og at han skulle betale bidrag for barnet. Dette bidraget ble eventuelt innkrevd av bidragsfogden i Tønsberg i tiden han var de"
And a rough translation.
Here is answer from Kongsberg: we could not find any correspondence in the archives of Jarlsberg and Larvik County, which states that the child's father's real name was Svend Edvard Petersen (23 years) from Marker parish (cf. Enclosed copies), and that he should pay contributions for child. This contribution was eventually collected by the maintenance in Tønsberg in the time he was there, (the he is I assume Peter)
So Jackie the second person you have posted fits the name presented by Mariann for the real father of Peter but we have no proof that I can find from official sources that indicates that the Svend Edvard Pedersen of Marker Østfold. is the father of Peter.
I do vaguely remember reading that the person identified in the parish record as the father of Peter denied that he was the father, however I cannot find that remark when I went back to look for it. |
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JaneC
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Posted - 23/03/2017 : 03:54:44
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Originally posted by mastokk2
...I contacted the Statearchive in Kongsberg, had a hope that they could help me...And they sent me a copy from a book telling that the man who is given in the chrurchrecord as Peters father, had said that he was not!! And then there came another name Sven Edvard Pedersen from Marker/Aremark....
Here Mariann states that Even Edvard Petersen actively denied paternity.
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jkmarler
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Posted - 23/03/2017 : 04:50:06
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Okay which ones of accused fathers don't deny, deny, deny?
Even Edvard died in 1910, is there a dødfallsprotokol for him?
Even Edvard may or may not have other descendants himself but likely his sister has descendants so if the DNA test doesn't work for Sven Edvard there might be same avenues for Even.
As far as I can tell there appears to be at least two marriages between Svend Edvard and other women. What kind of situation could have occured for a person from the eastern border of Norway to come to Noteroy or vice versa. Either she come to him or he comes to her.... |
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mastokk2
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AntonH
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Posted - 24/03/2017 : 02:57:50
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A little digging has turned up the marriage of the parents of Caroline. They are Anders Larsen and Anne Dorthea Christensdatter married in Ramnes 7 January 1830. Farm name for Anders is Skallevold and for Anne Dorthea it looks like Førum.
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Anne Dorthea was born about 1810 but I have some difficulty finding the parish records. However there was a Ole Chritiansen born in 1818 and his baptism record shows parents Christian Nilsen and Ingeborg Guttormsdatter Foorum.
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And a son Niels April 20, 1808
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Here is a Christian age 18 on the farm Forum in the 1801 Census.
1801
And a Ingeborg Guttormsdatter
Ingeborg
Difficult set of parish records to go through but here is Anne Dorthea Christiansdatter Klop Rødningen born June 25, 1809. Parents are Christian Nielsen and Ingeborg Guttormsdatter.
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Christian Nielsen Førum and Ingeborg Guttormsdatter Indlauget married Dec 30 1807. Found number 1 in 1808 records.
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Petter Evans/Evensen/Evenson 1868
