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Kate Guideau
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 Posted - 31/05/2017 : 21:03:05
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Hello!
This is my first post here and I'm hoping someone with more familiarity with Norway place names can help me. My 4x great grandfather Martin Larson was born in Norway but moved to Sweden as a young man. I've been fortunate enough to find Martin on several Swedish church records and many of them specifically say he was from "Ostmarken, Norge." I've had a little trouble identifying exactly where this is: there is the forested area around Oslo called Ostmarka, but I can't tell if that's what the area would have been called in the 1870s when the records I'm looking at were written. Then there's an area in Trondheim in the Lade district that seems to be called Ostmarken, but that seems so specific (wouldn't he have just told the person filling out the Swedish church records he was from Trondheim?). Does anyone have any ideas?
Also, one record seems to have a more specific place name along side Ostmarken, but I can't make it out. It could maybe be Holwaland or Kolwaland? I realize that probably doesn't help much but thought I should mention it anyway.
Thanks for any help at all on this! |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 31/05/2017 : 21:17:48
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He could be from a forested area close to Oslo, Østmarka
You don't have a lastname or familyname on Martin or when he was born?
There was a farm at Lade in Trondheim named Østmarken, this farm was sold 1914 to Trondheim municipality to build a hospital.
There are other places in Norway named Ostmarken today spelled Østmarken - Østmarka
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Edited by - Kåarto on 31/05/2017 21:35:52 |
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Kate Guideau
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Posted - 31/05/2017 : 21:59:01
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Thanks for the info Kåre! Martin's last name was Larson on all the records I have (I don't have a non-patronymic name). So is Østmarken/Østmarka a pretty common place-name throughout Norway then?
I added a screen shot of the record I have with the additional place name written in to my Google photos (link below). I really have no idea what it says, I can't even make out the first letter! Any guesses would be greatly appreciated since I feel like this may be the key to working out which Ostmarken Martin was from.
https://goo.gl/photos/x86GoxPSzYMCv5dL6 |
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Kåarto
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Norway
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Posted - 31/05/2017 : 22:54:32
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Østmarka, not very common, but exist in some parish's and means Eastern field
Martin was born in Norge (Norway)
Seems like the ending is -lsrud .
H.....lsrud??
Halsrud - Hovelsrud?? not sure
Rud is very a very common ending on farm names in Norway, means to clear the land
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Edited by - Kåarto on 31/05/2017 23:10:22 |
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 31/05/2017 : 22:56:54
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| When was your Martin Larsen born? Swedes were usually pretty good about notations about that. |
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Kate Guideau
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Posted - 01/06/2017 : 03:14:39
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| Thanks so much for the insights based on the meaning in Norwegian, this is very helpful! |
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Kate Guideau
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Posted - 01/06/2017 : 03:23:38
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| I do have Martin's birth date (the records are indeed very specific and consistent about that): 16 Oct 1854. I did find one baptismal record that matches exactly for a Martin Larson with the same birth date who was baptized on 14 Jan 1855 in Vinger, Hedmark but I couldn't find any connection between that place and anywhere called Ostmarken. I also found a record where a Martin Larson was *baptized* on 16 Oct 1854 in Trondheim, but I don't know how likely it is that Martin mixed up his baptism date with his birthday. |
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AntonH
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Posted - 01/06/2017 : 04:30:35
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Probably the baptism record from Ancestry.com on your Marrtin Larsen.
Name: Martin Larssen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 16 okt 1854 (16 Oct 1854)
Baptism Date: 14 jan 1855
Baptism Place: Vinger, Hedmark, Norway
Father: Lars Larsen
Mother: Marthea Tostensdatter
FHL Film Number: 307233
Reference ID: b33 p221 e26
Here is the original baptism record for your Marin Larsen
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Likely you are looking at Austmarka also spelled Østmark, a sub-parish of the Vinger parish in Hedmark
This is likely the same Martin Larsen born in 1854 in the 1865 Norwegian Census.
Folketelling 1865 for 0421L Vinger prestegjeld, Vinger sokn og Austmarka sokn
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Perhaps Ole Tostensen is brother of Martins mother Martha Tostensdatter.
Note the farm Udgarden is found in Austmarka (Østmark), Hedmark
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You might have to click a few links to get to the desired page in Family Search.
Click on "search for this page title" |
Edited by - AntonH on 01/06/2017 20:50:05 |
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eibache
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Posted - 01/06/2017 : 08:58:28
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Martins parents and siblings in 1865.
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Kåarto
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Posted - 01/06/2017 : 11:40:51
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Østmarka-Austmarka is a sub parish in Vinger, todays Kongsvinger.
#26, see above, is your Martin Larsen.
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AntonH
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Posted - 01/06/2017 : 16:39:45
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Marriage of Martin Larsen parents Lars Larsen and Marthea Tostensdtter 26 Dec 1853. Father of Lars Larsen is Lars Børresen and father of Marthea Tostensdatter is Tosten Tostensen who is also listed as a witness at the baptism of Martin Larsen in 1855 in Vinger, Hedmark.
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Note the farm name Udgarden attached to Marthea's name. |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 01/06/2017 : 18:17:42
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It was a "large" emigration to Sweden "Sverige" from Østmarka after 1865.
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Kate Guideau
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Posted - 01/06/2017 : 21:36:32
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| Everyone, thank you so much for all of this! I agree, I think Austmarka and the "Ostmarken" mentioned on Martin's Swedish records are probably one and the same. Along with that birth record, it seems pretty perfect. I'm new to Norwegian research so I very deeply appreciate the additional records posted. I'm very excited to add Martin's parents and grandfathers to my tree! |
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AntonH
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Posted - 01/06/2017 : 22:46:03
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Most likely the Ancestry.com record for the baptism of Marthea Tostensdatter. Note the Udgaarden farm name attached to her father.
Anne Marthea Tostensdatter
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Anne Marthea Tostensdatter
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 12 mar 1832
Birth Place: Vinger, Hedmark, Norway
Baptism Date: 1 apr 1832
Baptism Place: Vinger, Hedmark, Norway
Father: Tosten Tostensen Udgaarden
Mother: Marte Gundersdatter
FHL Film Number: 124482
Reference ID: bk8 p63
Original Norwegian Digitalarkivet record, see first record left hand page
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 01/06/2017 : 23:08:41
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From the 1865 Norwegian Census posted by Einar you can see that Lars Larsen father of Martin was born abt. 1830 and from his marriage record you can see that his father was named Lars Børresen. A likely candidate for his baptism is
Lars Larsen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Lars Larsen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 11 apr 1830
Baptism Date: 9 mai 1830 (9 May 1830)
Baptism Place: Vinger, Hedmark, Norway
Father: Lars Borresen
Mother: Anne Arnesdr
FHL Film Number: 124481
Reference ID: 5173
Original baptism record is number seven down on the left hand page.
Lars
A good candidate for the marriage of Lars Børresen and Anne Arnesdatter
Lars Borresen
in the Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926
Name: Lars Borresen
Gender: Male
Age: 22
Birth Date: 1796
Marriage Date: 29 mar 1818
Marriage Place: Vinger, Hedmark, Norway
Spouse: Anne Arnesdr
FHL Film Number: 124481
Reference ID: 1131
Original record right hand page
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Since the marriage record gives the birth year of Lars Børresen as 1796 one can hunt for him in the 1801 Census. His farm name appears to be Billingsboe. Here is a good candidate in the 1801 Norwegian Census along with his family. Father is Børre Haagensen and mother is Gubiør Sørensdatter.
1801
Børre Haagensen and Gubiør Sørensdatter were married Oct 29, 1786.
Borre Haagensen
in the Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926
Name: Borre Haagensen
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 29 okt 1786 (29 Oct 1786)
Marriage Place: Eidskogen,Hedmark,Norway
Spouse: Gubior Sorensdr
FHL Film Number: 124280
Finding the original record is made a little more difficult in that it is found in the records for the engagement of the couple, called trolovede in Norwegian.
See the ninth record down right hand page. Billingsoe farm name appears again.
Lnk
This record indicates that Børre Haagensen died in 1835
Börre Haagensen
in the Norway, Select Burials, 1666-1927
Name: Börre Haagensen
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Widowed
Age: 82y
Birth Date: 1753
Death Date: 6 jan 1835
Death Place: Vinger, Hedmark, Norway
Burial Date: 17 jan 1835
FHL Film Number: 124482
Reference ID: bk8 p355
Original record see left hand page
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Edited by - AntonH on 02/06/2017 00:36:04 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 02/06/2017 : 01:56:49
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Lars Børresen's wife was named Anne Arnesdatter. The marriage record for her and Lars indicates she was born about 1796 and she is listed with the farm name of Østgaarden. With that in mind here is an Anne Arnesdatter born abt 1796 with father Arne Oudensen and mother Berthe Olsdatter and living on the Østgaarden farm in the 1801 Norwegian Census.
1801
Likely the baptism of Anne in 1796.
Anne Arnesen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Anne Arnesen
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 18 sep 1796
Baptism Place: Eidskogen,Hedmark,Norway
Father: Arne Oudensen
Mother: Berthe Olsdr
FHL Film Number: 124280
Original record, first entry on left page
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Arne Oudensen was born in 1754. Farm is Østgaarden.
Arne Oudensen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Arne Oudensen
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 30 apr 1754
Baptism Place: Vinger, Hedmark, Norway
Father: Ouden Klemetsson Østgaarden
Mother: Kari Pedersdatter
FHL Film Number: 124480
Reference ID: b 3 p 15
Original record fifth record from bottom left page
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Edited by - AntonH on 02/06/2017 02:34:07 |
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