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aethos
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 Posted - 20/07/2017 : 17:19:13
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This one should have been easy but here I am again. :P So question... can someone perhaps tell me was "Osgjort" or something like that means?
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/3974/72056/46
I'm trying to find Anna Opsahl (mother's name is Halvorsdatter) b 29 July 1887 in Nes at Delbekk. She should be right there but for some reason the church book only has two people born in July. I'm guessing... only guessing, that "Osgjort" or "Opsjort" or whatever that says means something about where everyone else is... :P
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 20/07/2017 : 21:07:28
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Make no sense, Opgjort means settled.
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 20/07/2017 : 23:24:13
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Are you sure you have the "right" Nes?
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 20/07/2017 : 23:30:39
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She was born in Nes in Akershus County
1887.
Born July 29, bapt Sept 18. Anna Gurine, parents; Hmd. Abbr for Husmand - Cottager Sigvart Olsen and Elen Indiane Halvorsdatter, see down page #56
Parents recidence; Opsaleie, Delbekk.
Delbekk was a sub farm under Opsal
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 20/07/2017 : 23:50:55
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Nes Church build 1860 link
The baptism font in soap stone is from ca 1100. The old stone church from ca 1100 burned 1854
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aethos
Medium member
USA
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Posted - 21/07/2017 : 00:26:02
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Oh dear. This is like the time I tried to find the ancestor in Portage Township, Ohio. There are in fact, something like 6 Portage Townships. Sorry I had no idea there were so many Nes's and didn't think to check that. Thanks for also helping me find the correct record. I'm really working on building this skill.
It was about 1913 that Annie left Norway, possibly by herself. By 1915 she was in Minnesota and living with a family as a house keeper. Quite a bold move for a 26 year old woman. This is another brick wall that was broken down by DNA testing BTW! On my wife's side where her father didn't know his father. She's been high on my list of ancestors I wanted to find out more about. I'm hoping the relative I'm in contact with now but she some light on her as she was his great-aunt. Pretty exciting!
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 21/07/2017 : 01:49:21
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Well no wonder you couldn't find her as you were looking in the Nes in Hallingdal in Buskerud registers.
This is one thing that I don't like with all the new iterations of the parish register documentation at digitalarkivet. It isn't made clear where the parish is located in any of the copying mechanisms. |
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aethos
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Posted - 21/07/2017 : 06:56:22
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I'm getting there! Found their daughter Maren. So in the vein of teaching a man to fish, can someone perhaps help me with the text on line 13 here, which appears to be their marriage?
http://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20060926060591.jpg
I know this is Sigvart Olsen [something] [something] and pige Elen Indiane Halvorsdatter and their years of birth, but not sure of what's between those in the middle column?
Also I'm curious, typically you guys find these records and pull out the key details, but there are always the long lists of names/text on the right page. Are those witnesses? Or other family members? Just doodles in the binding? Inquiring minds want to know! (Please.)
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 21/07/2017 : 08:49:42
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quote:
Originally posted by aethos
I'm getting there! Found their daughter Maren. So in the vein of teaching a man to fish, can someone perhaps help me with the text on line 13 here, which appears to be their marriage?
http://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20060926060591.jpg
I know this is Sigvart Olsen [something] [something] and pige Elen Indiane Halvorsdatter and their years of birth, but not sure of what's between those in the middle column?
Also I'm curious, typically you guys find these records and pull out the key details, but there are always the long lists of names/text on the right page. Are those witnesses? Or other family members? Just doodles in the binding? Inquiring minds want to know! (Please.)
Thanks!
Sigvart Olsen something something is enkemand (widower), husmand (cotter)
The column between their names and birth years is the grooms birth place and residence and the bride's birth place. The other names to the right of that information but on the left hand page are the names of the bride's and groom's father. On the right hand page the two names are the bondsmen and likely witnesses although not absolutely necessary to be. |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 21/07/2017 : 08:57:09
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Sigvart Olsen enkemand (widower) Husmand(cottager) - - - -
The middle column tells their pace of birth (Opsaleje and Grenseje)
Names in the 6 and 7 column are name of gooms father (Ole Gudbrandsen) and name of brides father (Halvor Nilsen)
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aethos
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Posted - 21/07/2017 : 17:54:49
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So this is clearly then the best way to keep searching for them is to make sure to get those details, but then I'm left with another question, so forgive me as I try your collective patience. Opsaleje... I'm assuming this is where Annie got Opsahl as her name. Annie from Opsal but, Osaleje? Grenseje? Opsaleie as Kare said? Would I be looking for places called Opsal and Grens? And would those be farms, bruks, parishes, municipalities... I tried the property search on digitalarkivit but mostly found more questions.
I'm starting down a rat-hole now but I'm really trying to understand this. As I google and read more, is this correct:
Country->Region->County->District->Municipality->Village/Bruk->Subfarm/Husmand?
Norway->Ĝstlandet->Akershus->Romerike->Nes->Opsaleie/Opsaleje?->Delbekk
And therefore Grenseje (or maybe Gresneie?) was another village in Nes? (And I assume if it wasn't in Nes, they'd give the full information on the county/municipality/etc?
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AntonH
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Posted - 21/07/2017 : 18:35:48
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Elen Indiane was born on July 4, 1851. Her parents were Halvor Nilsen and Martine Drothea Jakobsdatter.
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Based on that this is likely the marriage of her parents from Ancestry.com
Halvor Nilsen
in the Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926
Name: Halvor Nilsen
Gender: Male
Age: 24
Birth Date: 1824
Marriage Date: 3 jan 1848
Marriage Place: Nes, Akershus, Norway
Father: Nils Hansen
Spouse: Martine Dorthea Jacobsdatter
FHL Film Number: 278168
Original record
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Looks like they also had a son named Arnt in 1856.
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Some records on Ancestry.com indicate that Arnt emigrated to America and lived and died in Chicago.
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Here is the family in the 1865 Census, no Elen Indiane living at home then.
1865
They are living on the farm named Greni vestre Skoven
Perhaps Elen Indiane is working as a servant girl on another farm. My best guess is here under her Indiane Halvorsdatter name.
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Many of the names you see that look a little odd are farm names or sub farms under the main farm. The spelling of the farm names does change a little over time and thus makes it hard to follow at times. Here is a link to a Family Search page for Nes Akershus. You can scroll down and see a list of farm names. The list includes Opsal, Greni Vestre and Fosserud.
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The farms are located in what was in the olden days a parish i.e. Nes, now Nes is called a municipality and both were, are located in the fylke (county) of Askerhus. The name Romerike which pops up from time to time refers back to the old concept of districts. Many of them have historical significance to Norway even tho they may not figure in the official governmental structure of modern Norway.
Wikipedia can be a good source to understand the structure of sub-farm, farm, sub-parish, parish and county for Norway. |
Edited by - AntonH on 21/07/2017 22:48:33 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 21/07/2017 : 23:51:53
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Mother of Elen Indiane was named Martine Dorthea Jakobsdatter and was born Dec 9, 1825 to Jakob Mortensen and Alis Halvorsdatter. Baptism on Jan 26, 1826.
Number 5 right hand page
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Ancestry records indicate the couple married in 1809
Jacob Martensen
in the Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926
Name: Jacob Martensen
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 21 okt 1809 (21 Oct 1809)
Marriage Place: , Nes, Akershus, Norway
Spouse: Alis Halvorsdr
FHL Film Number: 123328
Original record right hand page near bottom See Oct 21
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Edited by - AntonH on 22/07/2017 00:08:17 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 22/07/2017 : 00:20:24
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Father of Elen Indiane was Halvor Nielsen. This is likely his record from Ancestry.com
Halvor Nilsen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Halvor Nilsen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 11 aug 1823
Baptism Date: 31 aug 1823
Baptism Place: Nes, Akershus, Norway
Father: Niels Hansen
Mother: Ane Haagensdr
FHL Film Number: 123330
Origianl record
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Niels Hansen and Ane Haagensdatter in 1865 Norway Census
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Edited by - AntonH on 22/07/2017 00:32:35 |
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