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mortsog
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AntonH
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 Posted - 24/10/2017 : 20:59:21
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Maybe him arriving in New York
Gunder Bratlie
in the New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Gunder Bratlie
Arrival Date: 2 Apr 1906
Birth Date: abt 1882
Age: 24
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Scandinavian
Port of Departure: Christiania
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Hellig Olav
Going to a friend Hans Pedersen at Buxton North Dakota
Applied for Naturalization shortly after arrival
Gunder Bratlie
in the Web: North Dakota, Naturalization Index, 1874-1963
Name: Gunder Bratlie
Record Type: Declaration
Place of Origin: Norway
Declaration Date: 21 Sep 1906
Declaration Place: Grand Forks, North Dakota, USA
Volume Number: D-12
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Edited by - AntonH on 24/10/2017 21:12:25 |
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jkmarler
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AntonH
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Posted - 25/10/2017 : 16:31:27
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Good find Jackie, This is likely him with one child in the 1910 Census. No sign of a Gunder Gundersen Bratlie living nearby..
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A tough find, the closest I can do is a Lars Gunderson b 1882 arrived 1906 but can not find him after 1910 Census
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AntonH
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Posted - 26/10/2017 : 17:24:45
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Here is a long shot. The original record is almost unreadable.
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jkmarler
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Posted - 26/10/2017 : 18:20:11
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I wonder, the hired man is 14 years older than Hans himself in 1910.
There were some Bratlies at Gilby North Dakota but didn't find Gunder with them. But experience searching for them, sometimes their name was Anglicized to Bradley. Gunder would sometimes become George. |
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mortsog
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Posted - 26/10/2017 : 19:31:57
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| Thank you for your replies. Maybe it possible that he moved to another US state or possibly Canada. |
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AntonH
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Posted - 27/10/2017 : 16:40:40
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| Yes it is possible that he moved after arriving in North Dakota. He could have gone further west as many Americans did. Or he could have moved to one of the nearby states such as Minnesota or Wisconsin whee many Norwegians settled. Or even to Canada as Grand Forks, North Dakota is very close to the Canadian border. But my searches in Ancestry.com covered all those possibilities but he did not turn up in any search after the Naturalization Declaration in mid 1876. It is a little puzzling that he would have settled on the name Gunder Bratlie for his emigration and also for his Naturalization Declaration and then totally disappear but that is what I found. |
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AntonH
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Posted - 27/10/2017 : 17:17:49
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The person next to Gunder Bratlie on the ships manifest is named Martin Arnesen who is also listed as from Solør. He is traveling to his friend Peder Olsen, Reynolds North Dakota.e same Reynolds is also in the same Trail County North Dakota area as Gunder filed his Naturalization papters. I wonder if he was a friend of your Gunder Gundersen Bratlie.
Marten Arnesen
in the New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Marten Arnesen
Arrival Date: 2 Apr 1906
Birth Date: abt 1882
Age: 24
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Scandinavian
Port of Departure: Christiania
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Hellig Olav
In the Emigration list you posted a link to, he is listed as Martin Arnes. Engebakken.
Probably him in the 1900 Norwegian Census.
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mortsog
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Posted - 27/10/2017 : 20:24:28
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| Engebakken is actually just 1 km from where Gunder lived, I know because I live in the area. Martin Arnes. Engebakkens brother Anton actually married my grandfathers sister. |
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JaneC
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Posted - 27/10/2017 : 23:18:32
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Interesting about the Engebakken connection.
I haven't had a chance to help, but obviously an extensive search has been done. Born in 1881, Gunder was the right age to register for the draft in World War I. Good records are available online to search by birth day. So different names can be used, and using wildcards too, to find Gunder with almost any name.
In other words, he should be easier to find in the USA than a typical immigrant. Yet I infer from what lyndal40 says, that Gunder is not found in America circa 1917-1918.
Many immigrant men of this era went to Canada, after stopping first in the US. They especially seemed to go to Saskatchewan. Free land was available there. A man could earn a farm just by living and working on the land.
I didn't find Gunder in the Canada census (admittedly in a quick look).
It could be Gunder neglected to register for the WWI draft in the USA - but that would be unusual. It could be he is "hidden" behind an unexpected name in Canada. But as another option, a sad option, he may have died before leaving any trace but a death record, which could be hard to find - or may not exist.
I think his father was Gunder Erikson and mother Olea Olsdatter? I did not make a note, oops.
Parents names might, maybe, possibly help turn up a record of death.
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AntonH
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Posted - 27/10/2017 : 23:26:12
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Thanks for searching Jane, This one has been a tough one to find. As a comparison note the second post by motrsog for a Gunerius Henriksen. That one practically leaped out of the records. More a matter of luck than anything.
Your suggestion on the WWI Draft Registration was a good one. There were 26 men registered first name Gunder born in 1881. None with the exact birth date of Sept 21, 1881. Here are the five most interesting of the 26.
Gunder G Aune
30 Jun 1881 McLean, North Dakota
Gunder Gunderson
17 Jul 1881 Sioux City, Woodbury, Iowa
Gunder Gunderson
25 Aug 1881 Faribault, Minnesota
Gunder Gunderson
2 Jun 1881 Mille Lacs, Minnesota
Gunder Gunderson
10 Mar 1881 Kitsap, Washington
There were no Gunders with the last name even close to Bratlie.
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Gunder Gundersen from Grue.
