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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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 Posted - 06/11/2017 : 16:47:11
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Looking for Marthe Iversdatter and her parents in the 1801 Census, I came up empty on the parents but the only candidate that fits for Marthe is found as a working girl on the Wea farm.
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Nettierud
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Posted - 06/11/2017 : 17:26:34
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| That would seem to fit her age. Christopher her assumed brother was born in 1768 and in the census he has a much older sister living with his family (age 49). So I'm not sure if the parents were much older or at least the father was? |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 06/11/2017 : 17:31:41
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Yes, I am thinking that this is probably the Ivers second marriage.
Here is another way to look at the marriage record. It also does not know the fathers first name but does give a name Else Christiansdatter as the name for the mother. This is using the transcribed records on Digitalarkivet.
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I am thinking based on the farm name that this is likely his first marriage in 1744, however some more work probably needs to be done to confirm that.
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Iver seems to have served as a witness at a marriage in 1783.
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The reason I did not find him in the 1801 Census is that he died in 1790
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Edited by - AntonH on 06/11/2017 17:43:59 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 06/11/2017 : 18:00:01
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The transcribed internet search function of Digitalrkivet is a fairly recent addition. I assume it is not nearly complete but it is proving in certain areas to be very valuable. Here is how I used it to find the above information.
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Go up to the right hand corner and click on Bokmål and then click on English
Click on Advanced Person Search
Click on Category and go to Church Books Select All or whatever interests you
Click on Geography and Østland and Ringsaker
In the Individual column I used Iver Anders* and in the Domicile box I put in Krogsgaard ej*
I got 15 hits where he was mostly father i.e. far or witness i.e. fadder
You might find this search method helpful.
Most of the early children have as the mother Martha Pedersdatter but in 1768 he has a Christopher with Else Christiansdatter.
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I am not sure why the list does not include a marriage for him to Else but it probably happened before 1768.
Also many of the fadder for his children's baptism are either first name Torbjørn or last name Torbjørnsen or some variation of that name. So Vee or Wea family is closely tied to Krogstadd Ejer farm. |
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Nettierud
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Posted - 06/11/2017 : 18:11:13
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| That's wonderful- thank you! |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 06/11/2017 : 22:57:29
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So Iver Andersen did marry Else Christiansdatter in 1767 but in Vang not in Ringsaker. About the year you would expect with the birth of son Christopher in 1768.
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Original record
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Nettierud
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Posted - 07/11/2017 : 01:17:21
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| Oh you found it- I'm going to have to go check it all out. |
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Nettierud
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Posted - 07/11/2017 : 01:30:11
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| That search method was very helpful, I went back and replicated it and found Iver's death record 1721-1790. Thanks Lyndal! |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 07/11/2017 : 17:29:04
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Nettie
I think I have mentioned the useful sources for information on Norwegian families called Bygdebok in one of your earlier posts. Bydgebok are what I would call Farm History Books. They are usually written on a Parish such as Land and covers the families that owned or leased or even just lived on a farm in the parish. For example in your case in the 1865 Norwegian Census Peder Torbjørnsen and his family lived on the farm Kværnstuen in the parish of Søndre Land, Hedmark. That particular location was at one time part of the Torpa parish and was written about in the Bygdebok, Boka om Land vol 9 and 10. by S. E. Ødegaard.
Fortunately that particular set ob Bygdebøker happen to be available at the University of North Dakota Library. I have over time developed a working relationship with Michael Swanson a Research Librarian at UND. I emailed him a copy of the page from the 1865 Norwegian Census for the farm Kværnstuen. In 1865 the family of Peder Torbjørnsen occupied one of the sub farms on the main farm of Kværnstuen. Here is a copy of what was listed for the occupants of farm 9 on Kværnstuen.
Kvernstuen
Peder Torbjørnsen Family
9. Peder Torbjørnsen, f ca 1813-14 Ringsaker, d 1893 g 1840 m Anne Maria Kristoffersdatter, f Åmoteie 1818 (ugifte foreldre: Kristoffer Pedersen Lie og Anne Olsdatter Åmoteie), d 1889
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Mathea, f 1841 til Amerika 1868
Tomas, f 1843, hjemme som dagarbeider 1865, til Amerika 1868
Agnete, f 1846, budeie Østre Finni 1875, d Vålhovdhagen 1920, ugift
Karen f 1850, d 1854
Pauline, f 1853, g 1880 m Andreas Andersen, se Stubberud u/Skinnerlia
Kristian, f 1856, hjemme 1875, til Amerika 1878
Alette, f 1861, hjemme 1875, til Amerika 1887
Bosted Øystadeie 1840-43, erstadeie 1846, Kollseie 1850, Kvernstuen 1853-65, Vållhovdhagen 1875-93.
Peder var humann og skogsarbeider 1875
Some new information on the family is found in above section form the bygdebok but also good is that the information form the book does confirm much of what we found out about the family.
If you have some questions about the words feel free to ask, but most are fairly simple.
f is født i.e. born, g is gift i.e. married, ugift is unmarried, d is død i.e. died, m is med i.e. with, til is to, og is and.
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Nettierud
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Posted - 07/11/2017 : 18:35:42
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That is a real treasure to find. I had found hints of Alette in America so it is nice to have it confirmed that she emigrated.
Yes I do have a question. Would you read that to say that Christopher Pedersen Lie and Anne Olsdatter were unmarried when Ann Marie was born? I thought maybe her birth record said Ogla or whatever out of wedlock translates to. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 07/11/2017 : 19:56:00
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Yes, Christopher Pedersen Lie and Anne Olsdatter were unmarried when Ann Marie was born. The word you were likely looking at is.
uægte illegitimate (archaic - see "uekte")
Perhaps a useful dictionary for those older words is.
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 07/11/2017 : 21:06:03
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I had found hints of Alette in America so it is nice to have it confirmed that she emigrated.
She emigrated but it looks as if she also came back and married. Jackie found a person with the correct birth date, married and living in Norway in the 1910 Census.
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And her baptism record
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Nettierud
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Posted - 07/11/2017 : 21:16:52
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https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/9356/56
Can you help me with her brother's birth record in 1821? Ole Christian at the bottom of the page. It appears that he is also uægte? Isn't it unusual for a couple to not get married with two children and does the record provide any more clues in the writing? Thank you. |
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Nettierud
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Posted - 07/11/2017 : 21:32:48
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She emigrated but it looks as if she also came back and married. Jackie found a person with the correct birth date, married and living in Norway in the 1910 Census.
Ok thank you, saves me from tracking down the wrong person. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 07/11/2017 : 23:28:11
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Can you help me with her brother's birth record in 1821? Ole Christian at the bottom of the page. It appears that he is also uægte? Isn't it unusual for a couple to not get married with two children and does the record provide any more clues in the writing? Thank you
Here is the transcribed record. It is a little easier to read.
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It may be a little unusual but the section of the bottom of the transcribed page under the Births and baptisms: Remarks might shed some light on the couple. Perhaps a good one for you to work on with the online dictionary.
Basically the remarks start out
"His second adultery. Her second adultery with the same person" |
Edited by - AntonH on 07/11/2017 23:33:48 |
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