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kristinemathiason
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Posted - 09/12/2017 :  00:41:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hanna Violet would have only been 19 in 1910, so I doubt she had been in CA very long. In 1910 she was living in a boarding house with her older sister Millie (Amelia) and working as a waitress. I have reached out to 2 West Coast cousins who actually knew Hannah Violet to see if they knew anything more about her move to CA. I also checked the local papers in Humboldt Co, but I couldn't find any mention of the move.

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Originally posted by kristinemathiason

Yes, this is my great-aunt who told the story of Michael Mathiason calling her and how she quickly hung up. I don't know how that translated to others that he was in CA.




If you know a more definite date when Hanna was in California than 1910 that might help with understanding. So sometime after 1910 Michael Mathiason rustled up a phone number for his daughter in San Francisco, California.

Of course, there were long distance operators or information operators who could look up numbers back in the day but it would probably have meant that he would have had to know the city where she was.

And if he was in Iowa in or near Humboldt, there could have been any number of his children whom he could have contacted, without having to resort to the long-distance call procedures for the ones in California.

Perhaps he read her name in the paper or something and decided to track her down.

Hanna was among the youngest ones in the family. She and the other youngsters would have suffered the most grievous loss when their parents' marriage broke up and would probably have had the more emotional reaction to it.


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AntonH
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Posted - 09/12/2017 :  01:48:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Mathais Andersen Strand married Anna Larsdatter Oct 30, 1862

He was 60 years old and she was 46. His father was named Anders Olsen and her father was named Lars Hemmingsen?

This was 14 years after Mikal Mathiasen Strand was born.

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And 5 years after Erland Hagerup was born in 1857.

Erland is found in a Geni.com online tree.

Geni.com

The manager of this site must be close to the family as she has a photo of Bernhard Marinius Erlandsen on the site.

And in

Link

Edited by - AntonH on 10/12/2017 19:11:23
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jkmarler
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Posted - 09/12/2017 :  13:38:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Kind of a long shot here. In this book. which lists Norwegians in towns, occupations etc.:

Norge i Amerika med kart : Oplysninger om de norske Amerikanere,--deres bosteder, beskjæftigelse, større foretagender, kirkelige virksomhed, udvikling, antal, indflydelse, fødebygder (i Norge) og hver enkelt stats, county's og bys geografiske beliggenhed, størrelse, næringskilder med mere /

Main Author: Ulvestad, Martin,
Published: Minneapolis, Minn. : Norge i Amerika Publishing Co., 1901.

There is an M. M. Mathisen living (no occupation and no further information) at Revere, Redwood county, Minnesota.
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kristinemathiason
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Posted - 09/12/2017 :  16:06:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Would that be unusually young?

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Mathais Andersen Strand married Anna Larsdatter Oct 30, 1862

He was 60 years old and she was 46. His father was named Anders Olsen and her father was named Lars Hemmingsen?

This was 14 years after Mikal Mathiasen Strand was born.

#17

And 5 years after Erland Hagerup was born in 1857.

Erland is found in a Geni.com online tree.

Geni.com

The manager of this site must be close to the family as she has a photo of Bernhard Marinius Erlandsen on the site.


Kristine Gupta
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Hopkins
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Posted - 09/12/2017 :  17:46:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Unusually young? who? young for what?

Have to just guess what you mean.... An Anna Larsdtr married in 1862 when she was 46 yrs old. No, that is not unusually young. It also means that she was born about 1816.

So 14 yrs earlier a Mikal Mathiasen Strand was born. That would be about 1848. Anna Larsdtr would be about 32 yrs old in 1848. No, that is not unusually young.

An Erland Hagerup born in 1857 when Anna Larsdtr would be about 41 yrs old. No, that is not unusually young.

If I were you I'd spend more time researching whether or not these are all the same Anna Larsdatter. That is/was a very very common name. Both of the children mentioned were born years before the marriage record shown.

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kristinemathiason
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Posted - 09/12/2017 :  19:26:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I am legally blind, so I first read it that he was married at 14. I usually have someone else read these posts to me, but sometimes there is no one around. Sorry.

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Unusually young? who? young for what?

Have to just guess what you mean.... An Anna Larsdtr married in 1862 when she was 46 yrs old. No, that is not unusually young. It also means that she was born about 1816.

So 14 yrs earlier a Mikal Mathiasen Strand was born. That would be about 1848. Anna Larsdtr would be about 32 yrs old in 1848. No, that is not unusually young.

An Erland Hagerup born in 1857 when Anna Larsdtr would be about 41 yrs old. No, that is not unusually young.

If I were you I'd spend more time researching whether or not these are all the same Anna Larsdatter. That is/was a very very common name. Both of the children mentioned were born years before the marriage record shown.




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AntonH
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Posted - 10/12/2017 :  01:45:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
A summary of what we think we know about your great-grandfather Michael Mathiason.

He was born May 29, 1848 in Tranøy Parish, Troms County to Mathias Andersen Strand and Anna Larsdatter and was named Michal Monsbak.

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Michal Monsbak Matiasen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Michal Mansbag Matiasen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 29 mai 1848 (29 May 1848)
Baptism Date: 3 jun 1849
Baptism Place: Tranoy,Troms,Norway
Father: Mattias Andersen
Mother: Anna Larsdr
FHL Film Number: 127176

He was confirmed on August 6, 1865 in the Tranøy Church and was called Mikal Monsbak Strand living on the Gjøvig farm.

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He is also found in the 1865 Norwegian Census as a worker on the Gjøvig farm.

1865

On January 23, 1868, he left Tranøy, Troms for North America through Trondheim. He is listed as Mikal M. Strand.

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In 1868 he emigrated from Trondheim to North America. He is listed as Mikael Monsbak Mathies.

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Edited by - AntonH on 10/12/2017 02:31:58
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jkmarler
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Posted - 10/12/2017 :  12:58:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Michael's elder sister Mathilde Eugenie #32 born 18 April 1846:
SATØ, Tranøy sokneprestkontor, I/Ia/Iaa/L0006kirke: Parish register (official) no. 6, 1844-1855, p. 28
Quick link: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/kb20050309020915

Sister Mathilde in 1865 census:
https://digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01038392001464

Edited by - jkmarler on 10/12/2017 16:32:07
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jkmarler
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Posted - 10/12/2017 :  13:35:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Lars Hemmingson is not that common a name in the north of Norway. Here are three in the 1801 census and all are possibly aged right to father of someone born in the mid 18teens:

Lars Hemmingsen
(b. 1792*) (male)
Domicile: Alstahoug: Mevigen
H: 1801-02-01
Pos./Status: Deres børn Ugivt
Role:
Source: 1801 census for 1820P Alstahaug



Lars Hemmingssen
(b. 1775*)
(male)
Domicile: Medfiord: Laugvold
H: 1801-02-01
Pos./Status: Selvfosterkarl Ugivt Lever af fiskerie
Role:
Source: 1801 census for 1929P Mefjord

Lars Hemmingsen
(b. 1780*)
(male)
Domicile: Buxnæs: Stene
H: 1801-02-01
Pos./Status: Tjenestedreng Ugivt
Role:
Source: 1801 census for 1860P Buksnes

And there is this one who died in 1843 in Tranoy:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NW27-3ZK

Actual record of the death #4 1844:
SATØ, Tranøy sokneprestkontor, I/Ia/Iaa/L0005kirke: Ministerialbok nr. 5, 1829-1844, s. 282
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070605620453

No age is given for him, a poor man (receiving assistance) living on Vigen.


Edited by - jkmarler on 10/12/2017 13:45:24
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jkmarler
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Posted - 10/12/2017 :  14:45:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Anne Larsdtr confirmation # 19:
SATØ, Tranøy sokneprestkontor, I/Ia/Iaa/L0005kirke: Ministerialbok nr. 5, 1829-1844, s. 144
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070605620354

Here the parents are recorded as Lars Semmingsen and Andrea Pedersdatter.

Edited by - jkmarler on 10/12/2017 16:13:59
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kristinemathiason
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Posted - 11/12/2017 :  02:06:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks to all of you for working so hard and piecing the puzzle together, re-thinking and coming up with a better result. I also greatly appreciate the summary - very helpful to someone who has been trying to hang on to the fast-moving, unraveling history of my mysterious great grandfather.

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