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JodiRae63
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 Posted - 31/05/2018 : 02:37:14
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| Still looking for the Norwegian connection for this man. There is 'literally' nothing coming up for this grandfather of my dad's. I have a picture of him. Some details are: B - June 12, 1860 Kristiana, Norway; Husband of Alma Amelia (Ayars) Larson, m-December 8, 1887 in Freeborn County Minnesota, Died December 27, 1932 in Freeborn County Freeborn Minnesota. Came to America in 1860 and there are a lot of possible candidates, but we know there can only be one Edwin/Edward Larsen grandfather to my dad Marvin Edward Trogstad. Can you help me to work this out? :) jodi |
Jodi R. (Trogstad) Brennan |
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jkmarler
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 31/05/2018 : 16:29:38
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Well we have not had much luck with this one, but here is a list of all the sons of Lars born June 12, 1860 listed in the Ancestry.com data base Norway Select Baptisms. There are only two.
Name: Anthon Larsen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 12 jun 1860
Birth Place: Vestre Toten, Norway
Baptism Date: 29 jul 1860
Baptism Place: Vestre Toten, Oppland, Norway
Father: Lars Olsen
Mother: Marthe Christophersdatter
FHL Film Number: 125638
Reference ID: bk5 #166
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On Putten in 1865 Census
1865
Name: Johannes Larsen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 12 jun 1860
Baptism Place: Nærøy, Nord-Trøndelag, Norway
Death Date: 1860
Father: Lars Fordelsen Aagvig
Mother: Anne Martha Carstensdatter
FHL Film Number: 307059
Reference ID: vol 9 pg3 #41
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Died the same year as he was born
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 31/05/2018 : 16:43:54
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Based on the record from Digitalarkivet this is likely the first person in the above list.
Anthony L Putten
in the Minnesota, Homestead and Cash Entry Patents, Pre-1908
Name: Anthony L Putten
Land Office: Crookston
Document Number: 4734
Total Acres: 166.38
Misc. Doc. Nr.: 7123
Signature: Yes
Canceled Document: No
Issue Date: 10 Jan 1890
Mineral Rights Reserved: No
Metes and Bounds: No
Statutory Reference: 12 Stat. 392
Multiple Warantee Names: No
Act or Treaty: 20 May 1862
Multiple Patentee Names: No
Entry Classification: Homestead Entry Original
Land Description: 1 S½NE 5TH PM No 156 N 45 W 4; 2 1 5TH PM No 156 N 45 W 4; 3 2 5TH PM No 156 N 45 W 4
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 31/05/2018 : 16:46:50
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And maybe him in the 1880 Census.
Anthon Larson
in the 1880 United States Federal Census
Name: Anthon Larson
Age: 20
Birth Date: Abt 1860
Birthplace: Norway
Home in 1880: Wanamingo, Goodhue, Minnesota, USA
Dwelling Number: 147
Race: White
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Occupation: Farm Laborer
If this is the same Anton (Anthon) Larsen as the one connected to the Putten farm than it is not the correct one as earlier we found a Edwin A Larsen living with the Ayars family in Freeborn County in the 1880 Census. |
Edited by - AntonH on 31/05/2018 21:53:48 |
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JodiRae63
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Posted - 04/06/2018 : 05:49:15
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https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000008911284
At the above link, can you please explain what the Serial Number is and how do I associate persons to the person Anthon Larson whom I am understanding maybe the likely Candidate, Edward A. Larson married to Alma Ayars in Freeborn County Minnesota. |
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JodiRae63
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Posted - 04/06/2018 : 06:05:20
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| I just exchanged an email with a person entering data on Family Search who believes that Anthon Larsen is of the Putten Farm, and I am wondering if these to individuals are the same. I have always known Edward A. Larsen married to Alma (Ayars) Larsen and the did live in Freeborn County Minnesota. Since he did immigrate to the United States of America in 1880, perhaps the above post of him in Wanamingo is correct for Edward. I do remember my dad and mom talking about Wanamingo where 'family lived'. I really think that Edward A. Larsen and Anthon Larson born June 12, 1860 maybe the same. I had Kristiana Norway for a birthplace for Edward and above it shows Vestre Toten Norway. How do I learn about the Putten farm? |
Jodi R. (Trogstad) Brennan |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 04/06/2018 : 15:09:02
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Originally posted by JodiRae63
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000008911284
At the above link, can you please explain what the Serial Number is and how do I associate persons to the person Anthon Larson whom I am understanding maybe the likely Candidate, Edward A. Larson married to Alma Ayars in Freeborn County Minnesota.
Serial number probably refers to the ordinal number of the baptism so he is #176 baptism in the year, in the original book.
In order to suppose that Anthon = Edwin, you should track down all the original entries on Anthon in Norway in the parish registers, to make certain that he lived long enough to come to US.
I see at least two migrants named Anton Larson ages close to the approximate birth date coming from Toten to US, one in 1874 and another 1879, in the databases at Digitalarkivet. (the first one is headed to Decorah, Iowa and the 1879 one is headed to a place called "Grembota?" which sounds an awful lot like Zumbrota.) Examination of the parish utflyttede records might allow you to find if it is the Anthon from the Putten farm.
The GLO record quoted earlier concerns land in Marshall county, Minnesota. Is there a family tradition about land in Marshall county?
Actually, this Anthony took an original homestead and was proved up on 1 Jan 1890. Likely this means that he had to live on the homestead for 5 years. Do you have any evidence saying Edwin Larson was gone from Freeborn for such a length?
Anton Larson in 1885 Minnesota in Marshall county
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQF6-JXB
Anton Larson in 1895 Minnesota in Marshall county
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQDY-VQV
As remarked earlier, residence in two counties at the same time would tend to eliminate Anton = Edwin. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 04/06/2018 : 16:08:20
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Originally posted by JodiRae63
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000008911284
At the above link, can you please explain what the Serial Number is and how do I associate persons to the person Anthon Larson whom I am understanding maybe the likely Candidate, Edward A. Larson married to Alma Ayars in Freeborn County Minnesota.
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Serial number probably refers to the ordinal number of the baptism so he is #176 baptism in the year, in the original book.
jkmarler is correct, the 176 refers to the 176th person baptized in the year 1860. Click on the number 176 below and it will take you to the page with the original record. My original post was a link to the Digitalarkivet transcription.
#176
The association with your Edward A Larson is that he has a birth date of June 12, 1860
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jkmarler
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Posted - 04/06/2018 : 21:46:19
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I'm copying this list over from your other topic. Have you tracked each of these down? You know from this list where each has been living just before leaving, you could look up each parish and see if there are utflyttede records covering 1880 and see if he is listed. Also you could do this same search again and click on each record to see if there are any other notes about the travel such as destination. Maybe one of these is going to someplace where the family knows there were relatives.
Name Birth date Place of birth Position and marital status Domicile
Event date Role Source
Edvin Larson (male) Arbeider Eidsogn
1880-03-05 Emigrants from Kristiania 1867-1927, additions
Edvard Lars. (male) Maskinist Horten
1880-05-20 Emigrants from Kristiania 1871-1930, edited version
Edvard Lars. (male) Arb Vinger 1880-05-21
Emigrants from Kristiania 1871-1930, edited version
Johan Edvard Lars. (male)Christiania 1880-02-14
Emigrants from Kristiania 1867-1927, additions
Eduard Lars. (male)Bager Horten 1880-04-08
Emigrants from Kristiania 1867-1927, additions
Edvard Lars. (male) Skrædder Stavanger 1880-04-23
Emigrants from Kristiania 1867-1927, additions
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AntonH
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Posted - 04/06/2018 : 22:19:05
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In the 1880 US Census, there is a Edward A Larson living as one of two laborers with the family of John Ayars. In that same family is the daughter of John and likely future wife of Edward Larson. The census is dated June 22 and 23, 1880. Thus any emigrant would have to have left Norway very early June, 1880 or probably earlier to be counted in the 1880 Census.
Another thought is how likely is it that Edward Larson just ended up in Freeborn County, Minnesota by chance. Usually emigrants have some connection a friend or other family member in the area as a reason to choose an area.
The other laborer is named Alfred Harrington age 20 born in Wisconsin.
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JodiRae63
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Posted - 06/06/2018 : 23:45:56
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I am thinking this person most likely is the man I am looking for. Now what? I cannot find anything in ship passages or any other type of transition from Norway to Hull to America. Any suggestions
Name: Anthon Larsen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 12 jun 1860
Birth Place: Vestre Toten, Norway
Baptism Date: 29 jul 1860
Baptism Place: Vestre Toten, Oppland, Norway
Father: Lars Olsen
Mother: Marthe Christophersdatter
FHL Film Number: 125638
Reference ID: bk5 #166
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JodiRae63
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Posted - 06/06/2018 : 23:53:01
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Originally posted by lyndal40
Originally posted by JodiRae63
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000008911284
At the above link, can you please explain what the Serial Number is and how do I associate persons to the person Anthon Larson whom I am understanding maybe the likely Candidate, Edward A. Larson married to Alma Ayars in Freeborn County Minnesota.
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Serial number probably refers to the ordinal number of the baptism so he is #176 baptism in the year, in the original book.
jkmarler is correct, the 176 refers to the 176th person baptized in the year 1860. Click on the number 176 below and it will take you to the page with the original record. My original post was a link to the Digitalarkivet transcription.
#176
The association with your Edward A Larson is that he has a birth date of June 12, 1860
Is it possible to have the 6th and the 7th column of the pages in the book translated? I can only decipher certain words. |
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JodiRae63
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Posted - 06/06/2018 : 23:55:42
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| Also, from the link, https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000008911284, there is a lot of information to be gained from this, but I am unsure how to read and match the serial nos. of the persons. There seems to be several 'fadders' and 'madders'. Thank you for an explanation of this. |
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AntonH
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Posted - 07/06/2018 : 00:07:04
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I think jkmarler posted the emigration of this person above. She also suggested that you check the out migration records for Vestre Toten to see if the Anton Larsen left Vestre Toten in 1879. The records from Vestre Toten for people leaving in 1879 does show that a Anton Larsen Putten born 1860 left Vestre Toten on May 9, 1879. Click on the highlighted number 5 below to see the original record.
#5
The record posted above by jkmarler also shows what is likely the same person leaving Norway on May 9, 1879 from Vestre Toten through Kristiania (Oslo) . Here again is a link to that record.
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A possibility for his arrival into New York. I am not sure that the Swedish nationality is real.
Anton Larson
in the New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Anton Larson
Arrival date: 24 May 1879
Birth Date: abt 1861
Age: 18
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Swedish
Place of Origin: Sweden
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Destination: United States of America
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: City of Montreal
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 07/06/2018 : 00:09:25
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Also, from the link, https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000008911284, there is a lot of information to be gained from this, but I am unsure how to read and match the serial nos. of the persons. There seems to be several 'fadders' and 'madders'. Thank you for an explanation of this.
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