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PhilMyhre
Junior member
New Zealand
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 Posted - 18/07/2018 : 04:46:31
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My great grandfather Helge August Olsen Myhre left Stavanger and travelled London where he eventually lived and married. Probably between 1848 and 1855.
We have no idea how or when he travelled. He was born in Drammen in 1831. His father was Ole Hansen Hansen Myhre married to Sara Marie nee Stoltenberg.
Any information would be helpful.
Phil Myhre
Auckland
New Zealand
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lynn peterson432
Medium member
USA
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Posted - 18/07/2018 : 05:26:57
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 18/07/2018 : 06:44:09
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 18/07/2018 : 17:42:07
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Phil, you can help by posting your sources in England (or any other). For example, you may have documentation or family stories that lead you to believe he travelled to England sometime 1848-1855.
Confirmation record, Stavanger Domkirken
Helge August Olsen
born 04 October 1831 in Drammen
link
Here's a very incomplete transcription of an 1859 marriage record, bride not named:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2DJF-Q2F
A Geni family tree tells this; no source is noted. Ole Hansen Myhre's children aren't noted on the tree.
"Ungkar Ole Hansen Myhre, hadde etternavnet sitt fra Myhra gård i Kongsbergs-området. Han ble døpt 6.november 1890 i Kongsberg. 26 år gammel, den 6.juli 1816 giftet han seg med <pige" Sara Marie Jacobsdatter i Tangen kirke. Begge var 26 år. De bosatte seg i Bragernes, (Drammen) og de fikk i årene 1817 til 1831 hele 7 barn, som alle ble født i Dragernes. Ole ble utdannet hattemaker, og fra 1819 er han omtalt som "Hattemakermester", og han arbeidet seg opp, og eide 2 hus i Drammen (Bragernes siden) Men han ble syk, det gikk nedover med forretningen og i 1831 gikk han fallitt (konkurs).
2. januar 1836 døde han av tæring (tuberkulose), og ble gravlagt 11.januar fra Mariakirken, bare 46,1/2 år gammel. i 1841 flyttet den eldste sønnen, Hans Bernt, til Stavanger og bosatte seg der, og senere i 1840 årene fulgte moren Sara Marie med de 6 andre barna etter. Av de 7 barna emigrerte en datter til Amerika, og 2 sønner til Engeland. Enken, Sara Marie døde 21.april 1852, ca. 63 år gammel, og ble begravet i Stavanger." |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 18/07/2018 : 18:37:52
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Translating JaneC's Geni family tree story:
Bachelor Ole Hansen Myhre had his last name from the Myhra farm in the Kongsberg area. He was baptized on November 6, 1790 in Kongsberg.
26 years old, on July 6, 1816, he married Sara Marie Jacobsdatter Stoltenberg in Tangen Church. Both were 26. They settled in Bragernes (Drammen) and in the years 1817 to 1831 they had 7 children, all born in Bragernes.
Ole became a hatter, and from 1819 he was referred to as master hatter (master hat maker). He did well, and owned 2 houses in Drammen (Bragernes area). But he got sick, the business went down, and in 1831 he became bankrupt. On January 2nd, 1836, he died of tuberculosis and was buried on January 11th from the church of St. Mary, only 46 1/2 years old.
In 1841 the eldest son, Hans Bernt, moved to Stavanger and settled there, and later in the 1840s the mother Sara Marie with the other six children followed. Of the 7 children, a daughter emigrated to America, and 2 sons to England. The widow, Sara Marie died April 21st 1852, ab. 63 years old, and was buried in Stavanger.
Brother Hans Bernt Myhre was a member of the Norwegian Parlament in the 1850's, representing Stavanger. |
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peder
Advanced member
USA
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Posted - 18/07/2018 : 20:01:35
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source: my heritage
Birth: Nov 6 1790
Drammen
Occupation: Hattmakare
Marriage: Marriage to: Sara Marie Stoltenberg
June 6 1816
Stromso
Death: Jan 2 1836
Christiana Norway
Family members
Parents:
Hans Christensen Myhre
1760 - ?
Martha 2 Olesdatter Myhre (born Glimstad)
1773 - ?
Wife:
Sara Marie Hansen Myhre (born Stoltenberg)
1790 - 1877
Children:
Hans Bernt Myhre
1817 - ?
Olava Myhre
1826 - ?
Helge August Olsen Myhre
1831 - 1864
Josefa Bernardine Hansen (born Myhre Stoltenberg)
1824 - 1891
Christian Myhre
1828 - |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9216 Posts |
Posted - 18/07/2018 : 21:47:06
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This record would indicate in married in England in 1859.
Helge August Myhre
in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932
Name: Helge August Myhre
Gender: Male
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 23 Jul 1859
Marriage Place: St Mary, Islington, Islington, England
Father: Ole Myhre
Spouse: Emily Brunette
Register Type: Parish Register
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Edited by - AntonH on 18/07/2018 21:51:48 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9216 Posts |
Posted - 18/07/2018 : 21:53:45
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He had a least two children
Emily Maria Myhre
in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Emily Maria Myhre
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 12 May 1860
Baptism Date: 26 Aug 1860
Baptism Place: All Souls,St Marylebone,London,England
Father: Helge August Myhre
Mother: Emily
FHL Film Number: 580894
Hans August Myhre
in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Hans August Myhre
Gender: Male
Race: White
Birth Date: 25 May 1863
Baptism Date: 25 Oct 1863
Baptism Place: St. Botolph Aldgate, London, England
Father: Hilgi August Myhre
Mother: Emily
FHL Film Number: 380135 |
Edited by - AntonH on 18/07/2018 21:55:43 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9216 Posts |
Posted - 18/07/2018 : 22:02:22
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Helge A Myhre
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Helge A Myhre
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: 1831
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Emily Myhre
Gender: Male
Where born: Norway
Civil Parish: St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
View image
Registration district: Marylebone
Sub-registration district: All Souls
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 8
Piece: 66
Folio: 78
Page Number: 2
Household Members:
Name Age
Helge A Myhre 30
Emily Myhre 21
Emily M Myhre 10/12
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9216 Posts |
Posted - 18/07/2018 : 22:06:15
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There is a Famly Tree on Ancestry.com that indicates he died in London in 1864. The source is as follows but the name on this record is a little different than the one we have been seeing.
Albert August Myher
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915Name: Albert August Myher
Registration Year: 1864
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: East London
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1c
Page: 8 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9216 Posts |
Posted - 18/07/2018 : 22:28:51
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A possible arrival in 1857, no first name so a little difficult to be certain. However the occupation is listed as Machinist which is not a good fit.
Mr Myhre
in the England, Alien Arrivals, 1810-1811, 1826-1869
Name: Myhre
Port of Arrival: Hull, England
Arrival date: 30 Jun 1857
Port of Departure: Oslo, Norway and Kristiansand, Norway
Ship: Courier
Country of Origin/Native of: Norway
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David Yaw
Medium member
United Kingdom
128 Posts |
Posted - 25/07/2018 : 22:24:59
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[quote]Originally posted by lyndal40
Helge A Myhre
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Helge A Myhre
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: 1831
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Emily Myhre
Gender: Male
Where born: Norway
Civil Parish: St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
View image
Registration district: Marylebone
Sub-registration district: All Souls
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 8
Piece: 66
Folio: 78
Page Number: 2
Household Members:
Name Age
Helge A Myhre 30
Emily Myhre 21
Emily M Myhre 10/12
In the 1871 UK census, Emily is shown as a widow, living in Islington wiith daughter Emily aged 10 and son Augustus aged 7 - consistent with her hasband dyinmg ca 1864.
Can't find any of them in the 1881 or later censuses |
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David Yaw
Medium member
United Kingdom
128 Posts |
Posted - 25/07/2018 : 22:32:26
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quote:
Originally posted by lyndal40
A possible arrival in 1857, no first name so a little difficult to be certain. However the occupation is listed as Machinist which is not a good fit.
Mr Myhre
in the England, Alien Arrivals, 1810-1811, 1826-1869
Name: Myhre
Port of Arrival: Hull, England
Arrival date: 30 Jun 1857
Port of Departure: Oslo, Norway and Kristiansand, Norway
Ship: Courier
Country of Origin/Native of: Norway
In the 1861 census, Helge's occupation is given as "watchmaker - jobber". If he arrived in Hull 4 years earlier, maybe without a good command of English and/or facing a busy immigration officer, his occupation might have been captured as machinist when he might have been more highly skilled.. Having some skills as a machinist is maybe not a million miles away from working in the watchmaking business. |
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PhilMyhre
Junior member
New Zealand
46 Posts |
Posted - 26/08/2018 : 05:17:35
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Thanks for all the information. It is the first time we may have a link to Helge August Olsen Myhre's arrival in UK, if this is him.
We have been to London and established where his business was in 'Minories', a street in London and to several addresses where he and Emily lived. Also St Boltoph Church at the end of 'Minories' where my grandfather was christened.
We have also visited Drammen and the church where Ole and Sara Marie Stoltenberg were married.
I will search more on the vessel 'Courier' sailing to London.
Thank you
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PhilMyhre
Junior member
New Zealand
46 Posts |
Posted - 26/08/2018 : 05:22:44
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Originally posted by lynn peterson432
GO TO FAMILY SEARCH YOU WILL FIND A L0T OF INFORMATION THERE AND ALSO TRY ROOTS WEB AND GENI
Thank you. I will try these. |
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PhilMyhre
Junior member
New Zealand
46 Posts |
Posted - 26/08/2018 : 06:51:30
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Originally posted by jwiborg
Translating JaneC's Geni family tree story:
Bachelor Ole Hansen Myhre had his last name from the Myhra farm in the Kongsberg area. He was baptized on November 6, 1790 in Kongsberg.
26 years old, on July 6, 1816, he married Sara Marie Jacobsdatter Stoltenberg in Tangen Church. Both were 26. They settled in Bragernes (Drammen) and in the years 1817 to 1831 they had 7 children, all born in Bragernes.
Ole became a hatter, and from 1819 he was referred to as master hatter (master hat maker). He did well, and owned 2 houses in Drammen (Bragernes area). But he got sick, the business went down, and in 1831 he became bankrupt. On January 2nd, 1836, he died of tuberculosis and was buried on January 11th from the church of St. Mary, only 46 1/2 years old.
In 1841 the eldest son, Hans Bernt, moved to Stavanger and settled there, and later in the 1840s the mother Sara Marie with the other six children followed. Of the 7 children, a daughter emigrated to America, and 2 sons to England. The widow, Sara Marie died April 21st 1852, ab. 63 years old, and was buried in Stavanger.
Brother Hans Bernt Myhre was a member of the Norwegian Parlament in the 1850's, representing Stavanger.
Thanks to JaneC and yourself for the information and translation.
We have records of Helge August Myhre living and marriage in London, the birth of their children (my grandparents) and christening in London and Helge's death in London in June 1864. We dont have Ole Hansen Myhre and his wife Sara Marie details of seven children names.
Is there a way of finding the names of the daughter who emigrated to America and when/how and also two sons to England? We know of only one, Helge August Olsen Myhre as mentioned above.
Look forward to any assistance you can provide.
Thanks,
Phil Myhre
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Voyages to London, England
