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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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 Posted - 14/09/2018 : 07:27:19
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Here is a page with information about Saguenay:
http://iancoombe.tripod.com/id19.html
I hope that someone who is Facebooked will look at the documents and report here. I don't do Facebook. |
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lynn peterson432
Medium member
USA
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Posted - 18/09/2018 : 01:04:31
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| Audrin you can share the i documents you have wi]th your daughter in law heather and she can post them public on facebook |
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Audlin
Starting member
Australia
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Posted - 18/09/2018 : 01:28:30
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| I emailed them to P Wiborg and he can share them when appropriate |
Audrey Lindsay |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 18/09/2018 : 19:07:23
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7765 Posts |
Posted - 18/09/2018 : 19:17:25
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Hei Jan,
Thanks for doing this. Are there any others? |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 18/09/2018 : 19:25:37
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Many thanks for sharing these, Audlin, and posting them, jwiborg.
Unfortunately only one of these documents refers to Audlin's father: the marriage certificate.
The other two records were not found among Audlin's father's papers. They were downloaded from the internet, after a modern day person searched for Elias in travel records and found the (different) Elias on the Carmania in 1924. Although this person was definitely worth checking out, this has been done, through the painstaking and skillful search of lyndal40, which shows it is a different Elias Olsen in those two records.
There is a lot of identifying detail in the two records referring to the different Elias Olsen - including place of origin. That is why it was possible to find the birth, travels, marriage, and death of that Elias - all of which make it impossible he could be Audlin's dad.
Sadly, the marriage certificate does not name the parents, birth date, or birth place of Audlin's Elias Olsen.
If Elias Olsen (father of Audlin) became a Canadian citizen, there should be naturalization papers that tell more about him.
His death record also may provide needed specific details.
In addition, Audlin's mother may have written or provided information for an obit. |
Edited by - JaneC on 18/09/2018 20:52:45 |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 18/09/2018 : 19:59:41
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This was the only documents I received.
I agree that it's only the marriage certificate that shows the correct Elias Olsen. It would be great to know if the actual marriage record of Oct 2nd 1943 would contain his d.o.b.
The Carmania arrival shows an Elias Olsen arriving in Quebec in 1924, but it's a namesake.
I'm starting to believe that the Elias we found that escaped from the ship Farmand of Bergen in 1914 is the correct one.
To prove this; you have two options:
1) Locate a Canadian record of your Elias Olsen that confirms his d.o.b. is May 16th 1895.
2) Perform a DNA test with your potential norwegian cousin to verify a close family relationship. A DNA match would confirm if this Elias is your father.
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7765 Posts |
Posted - 19/09/2018 : 08:32:43
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Well, the 1921 Canadian census is available in Ancestry, or so I'm told. Perhaps Elias or Bill could be found in it?
Otherwise, IF the Elias from 1914 is the man, then there are nearly 30 blank years on his slate.
It will be a long time before I think DNA analysis could be that helpful. All I can say is Christain Trom to that....
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 19/09/2018 : 11:39:22
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As was said, the sister of Elias Olsen Skjoldheim has a granddaughter who may be willing to participate in a DNA test. The granddaughter's relationship to Audlin would be "first cousin once removed." Jwiborg used different terminology, but in any case it's a close relationship (if it exists). The chance of an autosomal DNA test detecting a "first cousin once removed" is extremely high.
Perhaps a better concise explanation can be found, but for now here's a chart from the company 23andme.
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Quote from 23andme:
The table below shows the average likelihood of detecting cousins of different degrees:
Cousin relationship Probability of detecting
1st Cousin or closer ~100%
2nd Cousin >99%
3rd Cousin ~90%
4th Cousin ~45%
5th Cousin ~15%
6th Cousin and beyond <5%
link
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A person can be adopted and not know it, etc. Obviously his/ her DNA won't match anyone in the family, so it's best to have two or more people on both sides test.
If this were my search, getting Elias's death record would be my next step.
It's striking that the sister's granddaughter doesn't know where her Elias went to (other than that he seemingly left Norway), and Audlin doesn't know where her Elias came from. |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 19/09/2018 : 12:31:40
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Originally posted by JaneC
It's striking that the sister's granddaughter doesn't know where her Elias went to (other than that he seemingly left Norway), and Audlin doesn't know where her Elias came from.
Well, Audlin did mention that she had heard her father being from Bergen, and Skjoldheim is in Fana, Bergen. |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 19/09/2018 : 12:34:22
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| Good point! I was thinking of what's known with certainty... Elias exists within living memory, and we'd expect both families to know the story of their Elias, so the gap in knowing, on both sides, is what struck me most. But yes, the location Bergen is a striking parallel. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 19/09/2018 : 16:45:02
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| In the 1921 Canadian Census there are only 83 males born in Norway 1897 plus/minus five, last name Ols*. . None living in Quebec, only two live in Ontario, the rest in the west. None of them are named Elias or any name close to that and none named Bill. Two named William, a single farmer living in Alberta and a son living in Manitoba. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9216 Posts |
Posted - 19/09/2018 : 17:01:05
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There are some other options. However a quick look at them on my part did not seem to go anywhere.
This one from Tvedt, Vest-Agder.
Elias Olsen
in the New York, Passenger and Crew Lists (including Castle Garden and Ellis Island), 1820-1957
Name: Elias Olsen
Arrival date: 30 Apr 1917
Birth Date: abt 1893
Birth Location: Nrw
Birth Location Other: tuert
Age: 24
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Scandinavian
Port of Departure: Bergen
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Bergensfjord
Probably this guy in 1900 Norwegian Census.
1900
And also from Vest-Agder
Elias Emanuel Olsen
in the New York, Passenger and Crew Lists (including Castle Garden and Ellis Island), 1820-1957
Name: Elias Emanuel Olsen
Arrival date: 28 Jul 1913
Birth Date: abt 1896
Birth Location: Norway
Birth Location Other: lyngdal
Age: 17
Gender: Male
Place of Origin: Scandinavia
Port of Departure: Kristiania, Norway
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Kristianiafjord
Probably this guy in the 1900 Census
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Edited by - AntonH on 19/09/2018 17:04:50 |
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lynn peterson432
Medium member
USA
168 Posts |
Posted - 20/09/2018 : 01:04:08
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| i also check the montreallpapers if there was any photos of the wedding couple nothing i could find they usually mention the parents name |
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Audlin
Starting member
Australia
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Posted - 20/09/2018 : 01:42:07
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| Hi everyone - there seems to be lots of dead ends. My sister is searching on the Canada end, also a close friend of mine in the UK with the police department is attempting to get Elias Olsen's death certificate and police report through Freedom of Information (however, we are not sure that exists in the province of Quebec). So if my sister and I decide to go through a DNA test (at my cost) who do we contact to start the procedure? |
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