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ToreL
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 Posted - 27/09/2018 : 16:50:43
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I have looked some more into the origins of the master carpenter Niels Christian Christensen who moved to Stavanger from Kristiansand after having spent some years in Denmark, and who to all apearances was the father of Susanne Marie Nielsdatter.
Given the reference to his stepfather Hans Fermedahl in the borgerbook entry, this is clearly Niels Christian (age given as 14) living with stepfather, mother Susanne Marie and sister Mette Christine (18) in the 1801 census. So Susanne Marie was named after her father’s mother. This matches the probate records after Christen Nielsen Kiløen, deceased by drowning in 1793:
Widow Susanne Marie Torjesdatter
Sons Nils Christoffersen (8) and Tobias Christoffersen (5)
Daughters Mette Kjerstine Christoffersen (11) and Rakel Marie (2 ½)
Apparently two of the four children had died in the meantime; Tobias died in 1797 (father's staus of afg means deceased) and this could be Rakel Marie’s burial in 1800, with some distortions.
There is not a complete match between the years of birth for Niels Christian in the census and probate records, but the latter matches perfectly with the following baptism in 1885, indicating that the father, this time under the name of Christen Nielsen Lofthus, came from the farm Lofthus, now inside the city of Lillesand some 25 kms from Kristiansand.
Name: Nils Christian Christensen
Name Note:
Titles and Terms:
Gender: Male
Age:
Race:
Birth Date: 10 Sep 1785
Birthplace:
Christening Date: 15 Sep 1785
Christening Place: KRISTIANSAND, VEST-AGDER, NORWAY
Christening Age:
Death Date:
Father's Name: Christen Nilsen Lofthuus
Father's Titles and Terms:
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Susanna Marie Torjusdr Knudsen
Mother's Titles and Terms:
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Paternal Grandfather's Name:
Paternal Grandmother's Name:
Maternal Grandfather's Name:
Maternal Grandmother's Name:
Note:
Reference ID: 2:1JTH6SR
System Origin: Norway-VR
GS Film Number: 127313
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C42472-2
Citing this Record:
"Norway Baptisms, 1634-1927," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NH9V-5JR : 10 February 2018), Christen Nilsen Lofthuus in entry for Nils Christian Christensen, 10 Sep 1785; citing ; FHL microfilm 127,313.
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David Wallace
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Posted - 27/09/2018 : 21:02:36
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Originally posted by lyndal40
Probably the wedding of the parents of Susanne in 1809 in Kristiansand. Parents are Niels Christian Christiansen and Birthe Christiane Christensdattter.
1809
is that 3 June or 6 March? |
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AntonH
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Posted - 27/09/2018 : 22:07:44
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June 3, 1809. See the fourth record down on right page.
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Edited by - AntonH on 27/09/2018 22:09:05 |
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ToreL
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Posted - 27/09/2018 : 23:15:06
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Witnesses Hans Fermedahl and Canoneer Bang (!)
The wedding record says Christensdatter but several baptisms say Jansdatter. Most likely a mistake in the wedding record. |
Edited by - ToreL on 27/09/2018 23:15:46 |
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David Wallace
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Posted - 28/09/2018 : 01:15:47
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Originally posted by ToreL
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There are not many Ber* Osmundsdatters born 1824 plus/minus 2 in the Ancestry.com Norwegian Baptism data base.
Why 1824? The original post in the thread says 1822, and estimating from the tombstone 1821 is even more probable.
Is there a chance she could have been born in America?
April 1822 in Norway is specified forBertha’s birth in the1900 US census. |
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jkmarler
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AntonH
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Posted - 28/09/2018 : 01:52:33
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Here are the females born in April 1822 with a father first name Osmund in the " Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927" data base.
Name: Gundlou Osmundsdatter
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 28 apr 1822
Baptism Date: 5 mai 1822 (5 May 1822)
Baptism Place: Vegusdal, Aust-Agder, Norway
Father: Osmund Thomassen
Mother: Kjersti Knudsdr
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This is likely her in 1865 Census. Vegusdal is a part of Evje at times.
1865
Name: Jorond Osmundsen
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 15 apr 1822
Baptism Date: 12 mai 1822 (12 May 1822)
Baptism Place: , Skafsaa, Telemark, Norway
Father: Osmund Asbjonsen
Mother: Dagne Olsdr
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Not a lot to pick from. The two problems with using this method is that the Ancestry.com data base is not complete and there are many instances in which the data from the 1900 Census are not correct. |
Edited by - AntonH on 28/09/2018 02:14:23 |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 28/09/2018 : 02:33:54
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Bertha's birth year is remarkably similar from census to census:
1860 37 so 1823
1870 46 so 1822
1880 57 so 1823
1900 April 1822
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AntonH
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Posted - 28/09/2018 : 03:38:32
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At one of the churches also used by Simen and Bertha is another wife born Osmundsen. Hard to read the witnesses but it may be the parents Osmund Bengsen and Tonette Bengsen.
Cicilia Olvia Pedersen
in the U.S., Evangelical Lutheran Church in America Church Records, 1826-1969
Name: Cicilia Olvia Pedersen
Baptism Age: 0
Record Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 2 Aug 1871
Baptism Date: 28 Feb 1872
Baptism Place: Cook, Illinois, USA
Father: Sakarias Pedersen
Mother: Inger Bergitte Osmundsen
Church Name: Evangelical Lutheran Trinity Church
Church Location: Chicago, Illinois
Probably this one in 1870
Inger Peterson
in the 1870 United States Federal Census
Name: Inger Peterson
Age in 1870: 38
Birth Year: abt 1832
Birthplace: Norway
Dwelling Number: 77
Home in 1870: Chicago Ward 15, Cook, Illinois
Race: White
Gender: Female
Occupation: Keeping House
Father of Foreign Birth: Y
Mother of Foreign Birth: Y
Inferred Spouse: Zackeria Peterson
Inferred Children: Annie H Peterson
Gabriella Peterson
Emma Peterson
Clara A Peterson
Household Members:
Name Age
Zackeria Peterson 37
Inger Peterson 38
Annie H Peterson 14
Gabriella Peterson 9
Emma Peterson 4
Clara A Peterson 2
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jkmarler
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AntonH
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Posted - 28/09/2018 : 04:10:08
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A good find, This is likely her baptism record from Ancestry.
Berthe Amundsen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Berthe Amundsen
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 8 feb 1830
Baptism Date: 14 feb 1830
Baptism Place: Biri,Opland,Norway
Father: Amund Christoffersen
Mother: Kari Olsdr
FHL Film Number: 125453
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A tree for this family shows Eli ending up in Minnesota. No info on where Berthe ended up at.
Ellen Ella Elie Amundsdatter Amundson Amundsen #9829;
1832–1903
BIRTH 3 NOV 1832 • Biri, Oppland, Norway
DEATH 17 MAR 1903 • St. Peter, Nicollet, Minnesota |
Edited by - AntonH on 28/09/2018 05:18:15 |
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jkmarler
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David Wallace
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Posted - 28/09/2018 : 16:27:33
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Originally posted by lyndal40
The transcription for the Simen found by Tore and likely the one who married in Stavanger
Simen Erlandsen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Simen Erlandsen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 30 des 1822 (30 Dec 1822)
Baptism Date: 3 jan 1823
Baptism Place: Oyer,Opland,Norway
Father: Erland Hov
Mother: Marie
FHL Film Number: 125545
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And a second one, also in Oppland
Simen Erlandsen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Simen Erlandsen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 31 des 1822 (31 Dec 1822)
Baptism Date: 12 jan 1823
Baptism Place: Ostre Gausdal,Opland,Norway
Father: Erland Iversen
Mother: Ingebor Larsdr
FHL Film Number: 125548
This calls for reconcilliation. Is this one person twice baptized, or two distinct people? Could the parents have been Erland Iversen Hov and Ingebor Marie Larsdatter, with two churches to satisfy two groups of kin? |
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ToreL
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jkmarler
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Posted - 28/09/2018 : 19:39:36
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From Norwegian Immigrants to United States A Biographical Directory 1825-1850 Volume IV page 118-119 from the ship Hercules, tells this about Zacharias Pedersen Austad:
son of Peder Jacobsen Oustad and Inger Helene Salvesdatter, born 26 Nov 1829 emigrating from Lyngdal Vest Agder to Chicago. Married Inger Birgitte Osmundsdatter Bergemoen b. 6 Mar 1830. Inger Birgitte is on the same ship and same voyage. Inger Birgitte is identified as the daughter of Osmund Bergeson and Anne Tonette Jacobsdatter also b Lyngdal. Zacharias and Inger are listed as parents of Petterine Elisabeth b 28 May 1852, Peder b 28 Apr 1854, Anne Heline b 8 March 1856, Petrine Severine b 3 March 1858
The named source is Lake View Lutheran Church records.
There are other Osmundsons/ Osmundatters on the Hercules but no Bertha, Birgit, Brita.
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