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CriztiWalsh
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 Posted - 01/11/2018 : 21:52:20
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It was suggested I look for help in this way... so Here we go! This is what I know definitively about My Anton Andersen.
(EDIT- if you go looking or arrive at my family tree in ancestry, THAT Anton is not correct- After two years of research, I recently found out I had the wrong Anton Anderson born on Sept. 27)
Anton Anderson- sometimes listed in American records as A. Anton Andersen
B. Sept. 27, 1858 or 59 (I've seen both listed on American records) in Norway.
Married to Helen Johansdr (I'm good with all of her info)
Anton traveled from Norway to Hawaii 1880-1881 on the Bark Beta bound for the Sandwich Islands (Helen was on that ship too). they were married in Hawaii with no record. They celebrated their 50th Wedding anniversary in late March of 193. which shows me they married right after landing in Hawaii.
1883 found he and Helen in Jefferson County Washington- they eventually settled in Bellingham, Washington int the late 1890's. They had 11 living children with two sets of twins. Anton dies in Bellingham Dec. 23, 1943.
I am good on all american info. I am specifically trying to find the correct Anton in Norway. The only record in Norway that I'm pretty sure is his, I stumbled across when looking at Helen's Out-Migrating from Asker Parish in 1880. She is marked as leaving for America on Sept. 29th, 1880. I know that she was traveling to Her parents in Lier and then to Drammen. Her document stated she was traveling with her Boyfriend. There is an Anton Andersen listed directly below her name and he was leaving Asker on October 18th, 1880 to travel to the Sandwich Islands. My gut tells me he is my correct Anton. But I'm looking for more proof. I'm including two links- The out migrating listing, as well as an Anton Andersen Baptism record where an Anton Andersen is listed as the son of Andreas Pedersen and Olava Frederiksdr in Asker in 1859. Line 195 https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/7735/425?fbclid=IwAR07bc9hF3XrM9OI9X5DZggDr6f1XnVUSc1_GfQrF5VQQKf54T_n_cOPA7k
and Lines 8&9 second page. https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/5506/28259/2?fbclid=IwAR1AsPcfRQYx9ZGT0a-qCb7b9G0_3slSVtjnr5KcLfIrBEX5e5C0ZkAzsh8
Any help is appreciated.
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Edited by - CriztiWalsh on 01/11/2018 22:48:24 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 01/11/2018 : 22:24:47
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I see that you have quite a complete Tree for him on Ancestry.com. However I did not see this emigration record in your list of sources. I wonder if this is your Anton Anderson or some other Anton Anderson with a close birth year and similar location.
Name: Anton Anderson
Arrival date: 21 Nov 1909
Birth Date: abt 1864
Birth Location: Nrw
Birth Location Other: chietrammed
Age: 45
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Scandinavian
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Cedric
He lists his address as 7013, 22nc Avenue NE, Ballard, Seattle. However this does not match the addresses for your Anton Anderson in the 1900 and 1910 Census. That makes me question if this person is the same as your Anton Anderson? |
Edited by - AntonH on 01/11/2018 22:25:19 |
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CriztiWalsh
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Posted - 01/11/2018 : 22:46:12
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I'm so sorry- I mentioned in a previous post, and I should have mentioned here, that I recently realized that the Anton Andersen I had in my tree was NOT the correct Anton Andersen- same birth date and name...different guy, for certain.
Thank you for the info- but My anton did not ever go to New York- as mentioned- he traveled from Norway to Hawaii in 1880/81 to be an indentured servant in Hawaii (the Sandwich Islands)
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Originally posted by lyndal40
I see that you have quite a complete Tree for him on Ancestry.com. However I did not see this emigration record in your list of sources. I wonder if this is your Anton Anderson or some other Anton Anderson with a close birth year and similar location.
Name: Anton Anderson
Arrival date: 21 Nov 1909
Birth Date: abt 1864
Birth Location: Nrw
Birth Location Other: chietrammed
Age: 45
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Scandinavian
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Cedric
He lists his address as 7013, 22nc Avenue NE, Ballard, Seattle. However this does not match the addresses for your Anton Anderson in the 1900 and 1910 Census. That makes me question if this person is the same as your Anton Anderson?
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CriztiWalsh
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Posted - 01/11/2018 : 22:51:49
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Originally posted by lyndal40
This emigration record seems to match the Anton Andreasen born 1859 in Akershus. #195, I did notice that he was born out of wedlock.
Link
Perhaps... but Not likely as my Anton definitely traveled from Drammen in Late October to Hawaii... Keeping this in my file of maybes! thanks. |
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jwiborg
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Posted - 01/11/2018 : 22:55:57
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#5 Anton Andreassen Wettre
Born 27 Sep 1859
Christening 16 Oct 1859
Confirmation 1874
Birthplace: Skaugumeie
Parents: Andreas Pettersen & Olava Larsdotter
His mother is here listed as Larsdotter. Christening record of 1859 shows that parents of Anton are not married.
Likely Anton Andreassen as fosterchild in census-1865.
There is an Olava Wettre born 1837-03-17 living at Wettre, but she is an Ellefsdatter... married to Peter Larsen |
Edited by - jwiborg on 01/11/2018 22:58:25 |
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CriztiWalsh
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Posted - 01/11/2018 : 23:01:35
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Thanks! Gonna look into this a little more closely thank you!
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Originally posted by jwiborg
#5 Anton Andreassen Wettre
Born 27 Sep 1859
Christening 16 Oct 1859
Confirmation 1874
Birthplace: Skaugumeie
Parents: Andreas Pettersen & Olava Larsdotter
His mother is here listed as Larsdotter. Christening record of 1859 shows that parents of Anton are not married.
Likely Anton Andreassen as fosterchild in census-1865.
There is an Olava Wettre born 1837-03-17 living at Wettre, but she is an Ellefsdatter... married to Peter Larsen
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AntonH
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Posted - 01/11/2018 : 23:02:55
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| Nice find Jan Peter, I notice the Udflyttede record posted by the OP has his name listed as Anders Andreassen Wettre. |
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jwiborg
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Posted - 01/11/2018 : 23:06:38
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| This Anton Andreassen Wettre is the same guy as you have on the Bark Beta in 1880, going to the Sandwich islands (Hawaii). Same name, same farmname (Wettre) and same year of confirmation, as listed in the emigration (1874). |
Edited by - jwiborg on 01/11/2018 23:18:19 |
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CriztiWalsh
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Posted - 01/11/2018 : 23:11:29
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| Thanks so much- this is tying in nicely and gives me a bit more of a lead. I feel good about this, folks! Takk!!!! I'm excited to get to diggin'! |
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jwiborg
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Posted - 02/11/2018 : 00:01:55
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Also the christening date of 16 oct 1859 corresponds with the confirmation record of 1874, so no doubt that this is the guy who emigrated to Hawaii. Question is; who are his parents?
Christening record says: Bachelor Andreas Petersen Reistad & girl Olava Frederiksd. Skaugumeie, Their first illegitimate child.
Confirmation record says: Andreas Pettersen & Olava Larsdotter, and Anton born at Skaugumeie
Not sure if this is correct Olava, but this is her marriage record. She was not married in 1859 so that part fits, but I'm not convinced...
Marriage #9, 06 Mar 1863
Peter Christian Larsen Wettre (29). Born Gisle, residence Wettre. Father: Lars Larsen Gisle.
Helle Olava Ellefsdatter (26). Born Østern, residence Linlandet. Father: Ellef Ansteinsen Linlandet
One observation: 2 lines below Antons confirmation record from 1874, there is one "Olaf Christinius Gudbrandsen Wettre", with mother Olava Larsdotter...
Same woman, or did the priest mix up two names...? :) |
Edited by - jwiborg on 02/11/2018 08:13:36 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 02/11/2018 : 03:10:46
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Here is a Olava Larsdatter born in 1837 father is Lars Larsen Wettre and mother is Oline Sørensdatter
#112
Parents in 1875 Census
1875
Oline died in 1887
Link
A problem with this Olava is that I think that this is her marriage in 1857 to a Gulbrand Pettersen.
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Edited by - AntonH on 02/11/2018 04:29:59 |
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jwiborg
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Posted - 02/11/2018 : 08:16:15
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See 2 lines below Anton in 1874.
Olaf Christinius Gudbrandsen Wettre born 2 weeks after Anton have these ppl as parents. |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 02/11/2018 : 12:00:36
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| If you are not already informed, Chronicling America has a number of Hawaiian newspapers. |
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jkmarler
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CriztiWalsh
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Posted - 02/11/2018 : 13:41:02
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Wow! Thanks for all of the info.
So last night I sat down and went through every potential Anton document I could find in Asker. I wrote down every farm name associated with everyone on each of those documents, every person (God Parents, census names and poked around for info. I saw a lot of crossovers. I want to be as certain as possible and know the answer is in all of that info.
Jkmarler, Yes!!! Since they were indentured servants, there wasn’t a lot of surviving personal info on the Norwegians there. BUT- there are some super cool articles about the anticipation the Hawaiians had! They were so excited the Norwegians were coming- shame they treated them like cattle! There was even an article tat spoke to the romance on the ship and how many passengers were excited to make land and get married.
I ad collected all the info I could find on Te Bark Beta passengers and their time in Hawaii... The Hawaiians did not keep great records on their workers. I do know Anton and Helen left before their 3 years were up. But then again, a lot of them did- whether deserting or released due to te frustration they caused, who knows. LOL.
Again, thanks so much you all! I’ll be tying this all up and hopefully will be on my way through Anton’s familial history and can mend my tree! Yay!
P.S. I stayed up waaaay too late. Nothing like a fresh lead to keep you digging! |
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AntonH
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Posted - 02/11/2018 : 16:29:04
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Nice work Jackie, here is her baptism record
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