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MarkPeter
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Australia
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Posted - 06/02/2019 :  12:16:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yes I have, but reply as yet?
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AntonH
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Posted - 06/02/2019 :  21:43:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Thx Lyndal40. So are you saying my Charles Peterson was once known as Johan Carl Palmstrom from the family of nobility or not? If think it was Johan Carl Palmstrom and once he got to USA he changed it to Charles Peterson, so that maybe the Americans could pronounce it easier.


Yes, he was know as Johan Carl Palmstrøm as early as age 15, when he was confirmed.

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ToreL
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Posted - 06/02/2019 :  21:47:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by lyndal40


Taking another step there is a Johan Palmstrøm in the 1801 Census living in Krisitainsand born about 1762 unmarried.

1801

Does he come from the Swedish Palmstrøm family or does he just use the name for whatever reason?


There is a record saying he was Swedish. First, note that he was a snekkersvend (journeyman carpenter) in the 1801 census as well as at the wedding. Now, Kristiansand Borgerrulle on page 206 records that on December 19th 1808 Johan Peter Palmstrøm, born in Sweden, became a master carpenter in Kristiansand.

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AntonH
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Posted - 06/02/2019 :  22:40:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
That is a good find Tore. I have noticed that many of the Palmstrøm males found in Kragerø Telemark in the 1875 Census are also listed as carpenters (sneker or Snedker)

The only record I have found so far for Johan Peter Palmstrøm born in Sweden about 1760 is this one for a child born in 1777. He would have been 24 in 1801 so not likely part of the family being studied here. Also in Uppsala and not near Västra Götaland the county of interest

Johan Peter Palmstrom
in the Sweden, Select Baptisms, 1611-1920
Name: Johan Peter Palmstrom
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 7 aug 1777
Baptism Date: 7 aug 1777
Baptism Place: Uppsala, Uppsala, Sweden
Father: Palmstrom
Mother: Maja Caisa Lafgren
FHL Film Number: 81575

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ToreL
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Posted - 06/02/2019 :  23:59:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If I read the parish books correctly, his son Peter was a carpenter as well. So a question to you, Mark: Do you know anything about your ancestor Charles' occupation that connects up with carpentry?
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MarkPeter
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Posted - 07/02/2019 :  02:26:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yes most of Charles Peterson’s sons were Carpenters in Australia.
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MarkPeter
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Australia
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Posted - 07/02/2019 :  03:02:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Charles Peterson ( Johan Carl Palmstrom ) worked as a carpenter on the Exhibition Building in Melbourne Australia. It was finished in 1880. He would’ve been 51 when it was completed. It only took 18 months to finish.
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AntonH
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Here is Lorentz Palmstrøm and family living in Arendal in 1865 and in Kragerø, Telemark in 1875. His occupation is carpenter and he was born in Sweden

1865

1875

This is likely the marriage of Lorentz Palmstrøm and Severine Hansdatter. Note the father of Lorentz is Andreas Palmstrøm.

Lorents Palmstrøm
in the Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926
Name: Lorents Palmstrøm
Gender: Male
Age: 30
Birth Date: 1828
Marriage Date: 12 mar 1858
Marriage Place: Sandar, Vestfold, Norway
Father: Andreas Palmstrøm
Spouse: Severine Marie Hansdatter
FHL Film Number: 278245
Reference ID: Bk 7 p313

#15

So as expected Lorentz is shown in the Palmstrøm.net.

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AntonH
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Posted - 07/02/2019 :  04:13:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
So Johna Carl Palmstrøm was born in Norway in 1829 father was Peder Palmstrøm.

and Lorentz Palmstrøm was born in Sweden in 1828 and father was Andreas Palmstrøm.

So are Peder Palmstrøm and Andreas Palmstrøm related in some fashion.

Norske del av Palmstrøm-familienwww.palmstrom.netKragerø-grenen1NORSKE PALMSTRØM-FAMILIEN Kragerø-grenen#36 Lorenz Palmströmog familieLorenz ble født17 mars 1828i Kville, Bohuslen, og døde 11 april 1907. Snekker. Gift1858med #37 Severine MarieHansdatter, født30 juni 1833, død 20 mars 1907. Lorenz foreldre:#33 Andreas Palmström og #34 Kristina Larsdotte

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MarkPeter
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Australia
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This is from www.palmstrom.net website:

#1 Johan Mattson Lange (1621 – 1686), vår stamfar, er begravet i Jakobs kirke i Stockholm der hans begravelsesvåpen er satt opp. Johan Lange ble adlet under navnet Palmström, se adelsbrevet (Sköldebrevet) av 5. desember 1674. Johan var gift med (1) Anna Wigen og med (2) Christina Nilsdottir Emporagria

#302 Johan Palmström (1648 - 1705), eldste sønn av #1 Johan M. Lange og Anna Wigen. Hans datter utenfor ekteskap #548 Anna Jonsdotter er sannsynligvis forbindelsen til den adelige familien Palmström, nobil 867

#5 Gustav Palmström (1656 - 1710), sønn av #1 Johan M. Lange Palmström og Anna Wigen

# 15 Lars Palmström (ca. 1681 - 1735), sønn av #15 Gustav Palmström og Margareta Blanckenfjell.

#313 Lorentz Palmström (1686 – 1752(?)), sønn av #302 Johan Palmström og Anna Blanckenfjell. Er han identisk med Lorentz Lange som sannsynligvis er hovedpersonen i “Tsarens kurér”, den berømte boken av Jules Verne?

#28 Jonas Palmström (ca. 1704 - 1760). Mer om Jonas kan du lese her.

#33 Andreas Palmström (1805 – 1880), barnebarn av #28 Jonas Palmström og Gunilla Morman.

#36 Lorenz Palmström (1828 – 1907) og hans etterkommere i Norge (Kragerø-grenen). Lorenz var sønn av #33 Andreas Palmström og Kristina. Han flyttet til Norge i 1850-årene.

#52 Johannes Palmström (1831 - 1889), og hans etterkommere i Norge (Sandefjord-grenen). Johannes var sønn av #33 Andreas Palmstrøm og Kristina, bror til #36 Lorenz og #193 Jonas. Også han flyttet til Norge, ca. 1860.

#193 Jonas Palmstrøm (1833 – 1893) sønn av #33 Andreas Palmstrøm og Kristina Larsdotter.

#55 Arnfinn Palmstrøm (1867 – 1922) og hans familie. Arnfinn tok embetseksamen med innstilling og studerte siden matematikk i Berlin og Paris. I 1919 ble han utnevnt til professor i forsikringsteknikk.

Du kan lese mer om Arnfinn Palmstrøm her.

#44 Lorenz Arnold Palmstrøm (1872 – 1917), sønn av #36 Lorenz Palmström og Severine. Se også Kragerø-grenen av Palmstrøm-familien.

#178 Rolf Tendrup Palmstrøm (1893 - 1975). Han hadde en militær løpebane, blant annet oberst, generalinspektør for Hærens Samband. Du kan også lese om Rolf i utdrag fra Hvem er Hvem

#46 Arnold Palmstrøm (1895 – 1935), sønnesønn til 36 Lorenz Palmstrøm og Severine Hansdatter. Se Palmstrøm-familiens Kragerø-gren.

#2008 Lorenz Harry Palmstrøm (1896 – 1926), sønnesønn til #36 Lorenz Palmstrøm og Severine Hansdatter, se Palmstrøm-familiens Kragerø-gren.

#106 Henrik Palmstrøm (1900 - 1998). Henrik var sønn av #55 Arnfinn Palmstrøm og Henrikke. Du kan her lese om familietreffene på Amundsengen og om Eirene, hans fantastiske kone gjennom mer enn 50 år.

#128 Alf Palmstrøm (1901 – 1967), sønn av #55 Arnfinn Palmstrøm og Henrikke. Alf gjorde en stor innsats i Kirkenes under krigen og ikke minst før og under frigjøringen av Finnmark.

#153 Finn Palmstrøm (1903 - 1987), sønn av #55 Arnfinn Palmstrøm og Henrikke. Du kan lese om Finns liv fullt av opplevelser og begivenheter. Han var fallskjermsoldat i kompani Linge 1942 – 45 og deltok blant annet i Måløy-raidet, var stedfortredende medlem av Krigsforbryterkommisjonen London 1945 – 46 og norsk observatør ved prosessen i Nürnberg og Dachau 1945 – 46. Etter krigen var han sorenskriver i Tana 1946 – 52, og i Solør 1952 – 1973.



#156 Bettine Palmstrøm født Riddley (1918 - 2009), gift med #153 Finn Palmstrøm. Hun var levende interessert i litteratur, og har skrevet diverse bokanmeldelser i norske aviser. Fra Finns tid som sorenskriver i Tana 1946 – 52, og i Solør 1952 - 74 har Bettine forfattet bøkene “Fra Themsen til Tana”, “From Thames to Tana”, og “Åsnesminner”.

#162 Knut Palmstrøm (1916 - 2008). Sønn av #55 Arnfinn Palmstrøm og Margrethe. Knuts store lidenskap var bridge. Han var redaktør av Dagbladets Bridge-spalte i 30 år og skrev til sammen ca. 10.000 forskjellige bridgespill. Han fikk i 2003 Ranik Halles Pris for sin bridge-innsats. Videre har Knut hatt 4 ulike FN oppdrag i utlandet. Se mer om Knut her og her.

#163 Else-Marie Palmstrøm født Waaler (1915 - 2012), gift med #162 Knut Palmstrøm.

#393 Rolf Nummelin (f.1936). Rolf har utført en enestående innsats for å finne ut mer om den “Adliga ätten, Palmström, nr 867” (1621 - ca. 1900), ikke minst når det gjelder å påvise forbindelsen til den adelige ætten Palmstrøm, nobil 867. Brannen i prestegården på Kville har skapt store problemer for slektforskningen til Rolf.
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MarkPeter
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Posted - 07/02/2019 :  06:09:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
So would Johan Carl Palmstrom have to come from one of these fathers or uncles?

#33 Andreas Palmström (1805 – 1880), barnebarn av #28 Jonas Palmström og Gunilla Morman.

#36 Lorenz Palmström (1828 – 1907) og hans etterkommere i Norge (Kragerø-grenen). Lorenz var sønn av #33 Andreas Palmström og Kristina. Han flyttet til Norge i 1850-årene.

#52 Johannes Palmström (1831 - 1889), og hans etterkommere i Norge (Sandefjord-grenen). Johannes var sønn av #33 Andreas Palmstrøm og Kristina, bror til #36 Lorenz og #193 Jonas. Også han flyttet til Norge, ca. 1860.

#193 Jonas Palmstrøm (1833 – 1893) sønn av #33 Andreas Palmstrøm og Kristina Larsdotter.
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MarkPeter
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Posted - 07/02/2019 :  06:13:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Was Andreas Palmstrom also known as Peder Andreas Palmstrom? Same father then as Lorentz, one year after his birth, along came Johan Carl Palmstrom. What do you think? Maybe different mothers. Just like the ( #302 Johan Palmström (1648 - 1705), eldste sønn av #1 Johan M. Lange og Anna Wigen. Hans datter utenfor ekteskap #548 Anna Jonsdotter er sannsynligvis forbindelsen til den adelige familien Palmström, nobil 867 ) had a child outside his marriage???
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MarkPeter
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Posted - 07/02/2019 :  06:18:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Also, could this be my Johan Carl Palmstrom born about 1829 and died in 1895 in Melbourne Australia?
( #193 Jonas Palmstrøm (1833 – 1893) sønn av #33 Andreas Palmstrøm og Kristina Larsdotter. )
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ToreL
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Posted - 07/02/2019 :  11:07:07  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by MarkPeter

Also, could this be my Johan Carl Palmstrom born about 1829 and died in 1895 in Melbourne Australia?
( #193 Jonas Palmstrøm (1833 – 1893) sønn av #33 Andreas Palmstrøm og Kristina Larsdotter. )


No. If you go up to my first post in this thread, you find the baptism for Johan Carl in 1829, with parents Peter Palmstrøm, Snedkersvend, and Elisabeth Maria Larsdatter.

His mother Elisa(beth) Maria lived until 1901, by the way, while his father Peter (or Peder or Petter or Per or Peer -- correct spelling is a modern invention) died before 1865.

I have tried to find probate records after them, without any luck. If such records had listed a son in Australia, you would have your definite answer, but as things stand I suppose you will have to make do with the occupation match.

Unless you try genetics. Judging from your last name, you are perhaps a descendant in a direct, all-male line from Charles? If so, I would take a Y-dna test if I were you, and see if you match any Palmstrøms out there. I believe the company FTDNA is still the most commonly used by Scandinavians.

If you want the path back to Sweden from the master carpenter in Kristiansand, I would think that the most promising (but least accessible) records might be found among the papers after the carpenters' guild in Kristiansand. Alas, they are not available electronically.

Edited by - ToreL on 07/02/2019 13:57:31
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MarkPeter
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Posted - 07/02/2019 :  11:55:43  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Ok thx ToreL. I think I will get a DNA test in the coming weeks. Thx for your help and research.
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