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redyarrow
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 Posted - 13/06/2019 : 23:53:01
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Due to some wonderfully helpful people I have found the places that 3 of my Norwegian grandparents, and their parents and grandparents lived in Norway. I’m going to visit Norway this fall for a month, and want to find out where the 4th person's parents and grandparents lived so I can also visit that place. I am afraid that the information I put on ancestry about Maren’s parents and grandparents is wrong. This is what I know about Maren when she lived in Norway:
Maren Marie Dahl (1828–1915) ]lived at 0295 Gjetveiten, Trondhjem Sor-Trondelag, with her husband Jakob Jensen Nesvold. who was a master house painter. They were married in Domkirken 03 Aug 1848. I don’t know when they came to the US, because although their son Axel Ludvig Jacobsen Nesvold (1851-1910) came to the US in June 1868, I don’t see Maren or Jakob on the ship roster. They didn’t come before 1869 because they had a baby born that year in Trondheim. They eventually came to Chicago Illinois. Maren and Jakob had many children. I know about all the ones who came to Chicago and who they married, etc. but Maren Dahl’s past is still a mystery. Their children were:
1. Daughter Ida Marie Jacobsdatter Neswold 1849–1866 lived her whole life in Trondheim.
2. Son Jakob Axel my great grandfather was born in Trondheim but came to Chicago.
3. daughter Anna Bernharde Jacobsdatter (1852 – 1887) lived her whole life in Trondheim.
4. Daughter Maren Marie Neswold (1854 – 1937) eventually moved to Kristiansand, Norway.
5. Son Richard Christopher Knoff Jacobsen Naesvold (1855 – 1855) was a twin who died in Trondheim.
6. Son Jacob Magnus Jakobsen Neswold (1857 – 1899 ) also came to Chicago to live.
7. son Johannus (James) Jacobsen Neswold (1862-1924) was born in Trondheim but also came to Chicago to live.
8. daughter Nicoline Susanne Jac.sdatter (1864-1938) was born in Trondheim but came to Chicago to live.
9. daughter Olga Neswold (1836 – 1937) was born in Trondheim but came to Chicago to live.
10. daughter Ida Jacobsdatter Marie Neswold (1866) only lived a short while in Trondheim
11. daughter Ingeborg Anna Neswold was either born in 1860 or 1869 in Trondheim and died at some unknown time in Trondheim.
12. Walborg (Wally) Jacobsdatter Neswold (1869 – 1918) was born in Trondheim and came to Chicago to live.
Thanks for any help you can provide!!! |
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AntonH
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Posted - 14/06/2019 : 00:54:21
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This looks like the confirmation record for your Maren Marie Dahl born in 1828 in Trondheim.
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Parents are Lars Dahl a seaman and Ingeborg Andersdatter
Maren Maria Dahl
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Maren Maria Dahl
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 25 apr 1828
Baptism Date: 26 mai 1828 (26 May 1828)
Baptism Place: Domkirken, Trondheim, Sor Trondelag, Norway
Father: Lars Olsen Dahl
Mother: Ingeborg Andersdr
FHL Film Number: 126824
Reference ID: 2:2CNB9WD
#116
Sister AB maybe?
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But there was a Lars Rolfsen Dahl
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Edited by - AntonH on 25/06/2019 02:45:36 |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 14/06/2019 : 01:24:06
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US record with her parents names:
Name Marie M. Neswold
Event Type Death
Event Date 16 Feb 1915
Event Place , Cook, Illinois, United States
Event Place Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Gender Female
Age 86
Marital Status Widowed
Ethnicity American
Race White
Occupation at daughter's home
Birth Date 25 Mar 1828
Birthplace Norway
Burial Date 19 Feb 1915
Cemetery Mt. Olivet
Father's Name Lars Dahl
Father's Birthplace Norway
Mother's Name Ingeborg Holm
Mother's Birthplace Norway
Record Number 609
Citing this Record
"Illinois, Cook County Deaths, 1878-1994," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N7JR-V9H : 8 March 2018), Marie M. Neswold, 16 Feb 1915; citing , Cook, Illinois, United States, source reference reg 4373, record number 609, Cook County Courthouse, Chicago; FHL microfilm 1,287,519.
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jkmarler
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jkmarler
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AntonH
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Posted - 14/06/2019 : 01:36:44
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Hmm, I looked at the Tree on Ancestry that belongs to Mary and she has as parents for Maren Marie.
Lars Olsen Dahl
BIRTH 1790 • Folldal, Hedmark, Norway
DEATH Norway
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Ingeborg Elisabeth Andersdr Holm
BIRTH 12 NOV 1811 • Vestre Moland, Aust-Agder, Norway
DEATH 21 DEC 1885 • Aust-Agder, Norway
Maren Marie Dahl
1828–1915
BIRTH 25 APRIL 1828 • Trondheim, Sor-Trondelag, Norway
DEATH 16 FEB 1915 • Cook, Illinois, United States
I wonder why she thinks her tree is incorrect. Maybe right names but from the wrong areas. Aust-Agder is a long ways from Trondheim. |
Edited by - AntonH on 14/06/2019 02:17:30 |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 14/06/2019 : 01:41:53
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Son Richard didn't die in 1855. Here is his confirmation record transcribed:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/279/pk00000000802998
Daughter Maren Marie's obit in the Trondhjem Adresseavis 1 July 1856 page 3, col 2:
"Dødsfald
Atter blev det vor tunge Lov at tilkjendegive, at vort kjere Barn Maren Marie blev os ved Døden berøvet den 20de Dennes, i alder af 2 Aar 1 Md.
Throndhjem, den 30te Juni 1856
Maren Marie Næssvold Jacob Næssvold
født Dahl."
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jkmarler
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jkmarler
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Posted - 14/06/2019 : 08:37:24
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In 1880 census:
Jacob Neswall Self M 56 Norway
Mary M Neswall Wife F 52 Norway
James Neswall Son M 17 Norway
Nellie Neswall Daughter F 16 Norway
Olga Neswall Daughter F 13 Norway
Valla Neswall Daughter F 10 Norway
Citing this Record
"United States Census, 1880," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MXNR-NF3 : 22 August 2017), Mary M Neswall in entry for Jacob Neswall, 1880; citing enumeration district ED 103, sheet 506B, NARA microfilm publication T9 (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d), roll 0192; FHL microfilm 1,254,192.
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jkmarler
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jkmarler
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Posted - 14/06/2019 : 16:08:59
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Sailor Lars Olsen Dahl's and Ingeborg's children:
Ane Boletta
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000001043169
Nicholine Christine
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/279/pk00000000123084
Nicholine Christine Dahl marriage (Jacob Næsvold malermester is bondsman / witness; father is listed as Iver Dahl):
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/327/pv00000000481677
The married Nicholine Christine in 1865 census:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01038310003361
Nikoline's b/ bapt #44 in Baklandet father is Lars Dahl and mother is Ingebor Anna Andersdatter
SAT, Ministerialprotokoller, klokkerbøker og fødselsregistre - Sør-Trøndelag, 604/L0182: Parish register (official) no. 604A03, 1818-1850, p. 4
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070918660436
faddernes: 1. the child's mother 2. _ Karen Nielsdtr 3. _ Ingebor Pedersdtr 4. __ Ingebrigt Bjørnsund 5 ungkarl Peder Pedersen 6 ungkarl Iver Dreier
Nikoline's confirmation #19 bakklandet:
SAT, Ministerialprotokoller, klokkerbøker og fødselsregistre - Sør-Trøndelag, 604/L0182: Parish register (official) no. 604A03, 1818-1850, p. 89
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070918660515
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jkmarler
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Posted - 14/06/2019 : 16:45:48
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Here is a marriage for sailor Lars Baarsen and Ingeborg Anna Andersdatter #3 in Strinda /Lade
SAT, Ministerialprotokoller, klokkerbøker og fødselsregistre - Sør-Trøndelag, 606/L0283: Parish register (official) no. 606A03 /1, 1818-1823, p. 199
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070918650591
Another version of the marriage of Lars Baarsen and Ingeborg Anna Andersdatter #1 under 1821:
SAT, Ministerialprotokoller, klokkerbøker og fødselsregistre - Sør-Trøndelag, 604/L0182: Parish register (official) no. 604A03, 1818-1850, p. 15
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070918660427
The wedding banns register of Strinda for Lars Baalsen Dahl and Ingebor Ane Andersdatter characterizes her as from Christiansund. Right hand page 2nd from top:
SAT, Ministerialprotokoller, klokkerbøker og fødselsregistre - Sør-Trøndelag, 606/L0295: Banns register no. 606A10, 1815-1833, p. 42-43
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20050609011014
No other banns were found for Lars Dahl and Ingeborg Anna from 1820-1828.
Same parish #120 b/ bapt of Ane Boletta (father's patronymic doesn't really look like Olsen or Baarsen):
SAT, Ministerialprotokoller, klokkerbøker og fødselsregistre - Sør-Trøndelag, 606/L0286: Parish register (official) no. 606A04 /1, 1823-1840, p. 7
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070918650689
faddernes: K Kjersten Andersdr, K Maren Hansdr, P Johanna Hedemark, M_ A. Dahl, M_ Lars Jensen, Arb. I Johansen
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jkmarler
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jkmarler
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Posted - 14/06/2019 : 19:52:33
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Originally posted by lyndal40
Hmm, I looked at the Tree on Ancestry that belongs to Mary and she has as parents for Maren Marie.
Lars Olsen Dahl
BIRTH 1790 • Folldal, Hedmark, Norway
DEATH Norway
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Ingeborg Elisabeth Andersdr Holm
BIRTH 12 NOV 1811 • Vestre Moland, Aust-Agder, Norway
DEATH 21 DEC 1885 • Aust-Agder, Norway
Maren Marie Dahl
1828–1915
BIRTH 25 APRIL 1828 • Trondheim, Sor-Trondelag, Norway
DEATH 16 FEB 1915 • Cook, Illinois, United States
I wonder why she thinks her tree is incorrect. Maybe right names but from the wrong areas. Aust-Agder is a long ways from Trondheim.
Maybe she meant this family tree?
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pedigree/landscape/LYLF-6MX |
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AntonH
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Posted - 14/06/2019 : 20:12:22
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There is a couple Lars Olsen Dahl and Gunnild Johansdatter with childen in Trondheim in the 1830's. I wonder if Lars Olsen Dahl was married twice.
Here is one child
Johanna Dahl
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Johanna Dahl
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 26 mai 1832 (26 May 1832)
Baptism Date: 11 jun 1832
Baptism Place: Domkirken, Trondheim, Sor Trondelag, Norway
Father: Lars Olsen Dahl
Mother: Gunild Johansdr
FHL Film Number: 126825
Reference ID: 2:1V6QVSW
And the marriage of Lars Olsen Dahl widower and Gunnild Johansdatter in 1833
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#65
And a second child
Indianna Birgithe Dahl
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Indianna Birgithe Dahl
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 1 okt 1834 (1 Oct 1834)
Baptism Date: 2 nov 1834
Baptism Place: Domkirken, Trondheim, Sor Trondelag, Norway
Father: Lars Olsen Dahl
Mother: Gundel Johansdr
FHL Film Number: 126825
Reference ID: 2:1V6RGH4
She may have immigrated to America and married an Ole Rostad in Wisconsin. Ancestry links to records for her in Wisconsin.
Ole Sivertsen Dahl married Maren Martha Hammon in 1812. If Lars Olsen Dahl was born in 1803 as his second marriage record indicates then Maren Martha might not have been the mother of Lars
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Kirsten in 1809
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Marriage
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Edited by - AntonH on 14/06/2019 22:15:49 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 14/06/2019 : 20:31:49
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Maybe the first marriage of Ole Sivertsen Dahl to Maren Lucia Jonsdatter 1809.
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And a widower Lars Olsen Dahl marries again in 1842
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Edited by - AntonH on 14/06/2019 20:58:52 |
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Who were Maren Marie Dahl's (1828 - 1915) parents
